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Psychiatrist: Antidepressants Cause Suicidal Behavior
Scientology's Psychiatric Drug Facts ^ | Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

Posted on 01/12/2013 9:34:04 AM PST by JohnPDuncan

Since I first began working as a medical expert in product liability cases way back in the early 1990s, I’ve spent innumerable hours culling the sealed data contained within the files of companies like GlaxoSmithKline and Eli Lilly. Among other things, I long ago found evidence that Paxil and Prozac cause suicidality in adults. These discoveries then led to settlements in product liability suits brought against the two companies brought by surviving family members. I’ve also communicated my conclusions in books like Talking Back to Prozac and the Antidepressant Fact Book and in scientific articles but the primary data until recently remained sealed.

Drug-company-groomed data creates the biggest loophole in the FDA’s evaluations of drug safety. In May 2006 GSK published a 'Dear Healthcare Provider' letter admitting that Paxil causes suicidality in depressed adults, but even that data was diluted before it was processed. The real picture is even worse.

Paxil Suicide Data Sealed in Company Files

I recently published analyses of previously sealed GSK data on Paxil suicide in the journal Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry. I combed the data out of GSK files during a several-day investigation of the company’s Paxil records. My original medical/legal report recently became unsealed and provided the basis for the published reports.

The first report shows how GSK omitted some suicides and suicide attempts from their tables and from the data sent to the FDA.[ii] The second shows how the company hid data on Paxil-induced akathisia (psychomotor restlessness) and its relationship to suicidality.[iii] The third shows how the company hid the basic concept of activation or stimulation that recently became a central part of the newly mandated antidepressant labels.[iv]

(Excerpt) Read more at breggin.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: mentalillness; psychiatry

1 posted on 01/12/2013 9:34:08 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

I have heard this for years. So why is it sold?


2 posted on 01/12/2013 9:37:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Because non toxic house plants are illegal.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 9:43:02 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: JohnPDuncan

The rifle maker who listed all of the murderers that used prescription drugs died in a car crash a few days ago...things are getting weird.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 9:52:02 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Before I’ll listen to one word this guy says, I want to know if he is at all connected to Scientology.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 9:54:51 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: rawcatslyentist

Chewing on the poinsettias again?

No. Really, I was given a drug for my peripheral neuropathy that is also used for bi polar conditions etc. I did not ask my doctor if in should quit it, within 1 week it went into the trash. Nasty crud.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 10:22:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't picak a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Chewing on the poinsettias again?

No. Really, I was given a drug for my peripheral neuropathy that is also used for bi polar conditions etc. I did not ask my doctor if in should quit it, within 1 week it went into the trash. Nasty crud.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 10:22:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't picak a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Oh Nos!!!

I have heard stories that people who get started on medications for hypertension and high cholesterol die of heart attacks!1!1!

Ne’r mind the Whopper, super-sized fries, and XL Coke in the corner....


8 posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:13 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: struggle
"The rifle maker who listed all of the murderers that used prescription drugs died in a car crash a few days ago"

Details please!
9 posted on 01/12/2013 10:36:42 AM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Chuzzlewit

It’s always nice to know that depression now has no link to suicide. Very little reporting effort seems to have been spent on learning whether or not victims of suicide, who were putatively on antidepressants, had actually been taking the medication up to the day of their suicide, or had discontinued them well in advance.

It’s so much easier to draw the obvious link, antidepressants, than actually work. Much the same as the war against SUV’s, which have been repeatedly accused of killing people, as though nobody actually sat behind the whee.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 10:39:33 AM PST by DPMD
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To: struggle

Who was that?


11 posted on 01/12/2013 10:40:14 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: JohnPDuncan

What the pharmaceutical companies and physicians won’t tell you is that there is no difference between homocidal and suicidal thoughts. They only mention suicidal thoughts to protect themselves from lawsuits from those who use such medications.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 10:50:59 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

The medical profession now is addicted to giving pills for problems that would not exist in a society where there are close family ties, where friends can be relied on and everyone is expected to pitch in, roll up their sleeves and do something constructive.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 10:57:22 AM PST by I want the USA back
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14 posted on 01/12/2013 11:02:26 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: JohnPDuncan
Friend of mine's family got a big payoff from a drug company after his sister shot and killed her husband in bed and then herself.

Secrecy was required, but people talk...

15 posted on 01/12/2013 11:04:24 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: DPMD
Very little reporting effort seems to have been spent on learning whether or not victims of suicide, who were putatively on antidepressants, had actually been taking the medication up to the day of their suicide, or had discontinued them well in advance.

Antidepressants in the main work fine, as you suspect the problems arise when you stop taking them abruptly. Quitting an antidepressant "cold turkey" is a very dangerous thing to do and almost certainly is going to do one of two things: One, it may scare you enough to go back on your meds where things soon stabilize. Or two it may push you over the edge, into a psychotic break. In order to successfully come off antidepressants, it is necessary to slowly lower the dosage over a long (months) period of time. It is also a good idea to be monitored by a doctor while this is going on. The "detox" for antidepressants is far longer than for any "recreational" drug that I know of and once it is clear of your system you are still the "wounded bird" you started out as. Psychotherapy in a bottle doesn't cure the underling causes of your problems, it merely masks them. I suspect these effects are stronger when children are so medicated, with adults it's bad enough.

If Biden is sincerely looking for an answer to random school shootings, he should take a very close look at the prevalent use of psycochemicals to control the behavior of school children.

Regards,
GtG

16 posted on 01/12/2013 11:23:25 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Several judges have questioned Breggin’s credibility as an expert witness. For example, a Maryland judge in a medical malpractice case in 1995 said, “I believe that his bias in this case is blinding... he was mistaken in a lot of the factual basis for which he expressed his opinion.”

In that same year a Virginia judge excluded Breggin’s testimony stating, “This court finds that the evidence of Peter Breggin, as a purported expert, fails nearly all particulars under the standard set forth in Daubert and its progeny.... Simply put, the Court believes that Dr. Breggin’s opinions do not rise to the level of an opinion based on ‘good science.’”


17 posted on 01/12/2013 11:34:37 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: DPMD
For 99.999% of the people whom they are prescribed too they work fine. For that other .001% they can have the same effect on the brain as LSD. Look up Serotonin Syndrome. Most prescribing doctors writing scripts for antidepressants never heard of it. Is it real? I saw it happen to my wife twice and went undiagnosed by doctors. Yes it's very real.

Should we take them off the market? No! But doctors need to educate themselves and patient and families to possible pyschotic in nature adverse reactions they can bring.

18 posted on 01/12/2013 11:34:56 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

It’s not just anti-depressants. After a grand mal seizure, my 10 year old daughter was put on Keppra, an ant-seizure medication. Her neurologist told us that it had minor side-effects.

Wrong! She started having terrible rages! They were very, very scary! I finally went online and found out that they are one of the common side-effects of Keppra.

The rages stopped when she got off of it, and put on Lamictal. (She is 16 now, and a very sweet, kind girl.)

Some people do wonderful on Keppra, so I’m not against it. However patients and caregivers should be given warnings and training for how to deal with the situation. Also, the should maybe have more check ups.

I shudder to think what would have happened if my daughter was older when she started this medication. Also, what happens when an adult starts this type of medication. I don’t think they should be living by themselves. I also don’t think they should have access to guns. Knives are kind of scary also.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 11:38:55 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: sjeann

Have you know who read this article!!!


20 posted on 01/12/2013 11:46:42 AM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Chuzzlewit
Good catch.

He denies being a Scientologist, but there is a history, as there is with his wife. He has certainly been connected to the CCHR (the component of the "Church" of Scientology most closely associated with anti- antidepressant propaganda), although he has taken great pains to sever all ties and repudiate them -- at least once the connection became known.

I think it's a valid, and in my opinion still open question.

That all said ...

You don't have to be a Scientologist to be a rabid opponent of antidepressants. A lot of people in the psychology and psychiatry professions don't like them. Why not? Actually, for the very same reason that Scientologists don't: it cuts into their racket. Why should somebody pay hundreds of dollars a month to talk to a shrink when the pharmaceutical alternative is so much cheaper and so much more effective?

We would never even consider the prospect of trying to "talk" a diabetic out of his insulin problem, but when the gland in question is the brain, for some reason we still hang onto these thoroughly discredited ideas that brain chemistry problems can be solved by talking. They can't. People who claim they can be are quacks.

21 posted on 01/12/2013 11:47:09 AM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Psychotherapy in a bottle doesn't cure the underling causes of your problems, it merely masks them.

Pretty much what I would expect a practitioner to say, especially one who is a quack.

Most depression is not cured by talk-therapy, all propaganda by quacks to the contrary not withstanding. The onset of most affective disorder is spontaneous and it typically lifts spontaneously as well, usually after a few months, sometimes after years. "Talking" to people about brain chemistry problems doesn't cure them. The best non-drug treatment isn't counseling, it's exercise. But of course, there's no money for talk therapists in doing that.

22 posted on 01/12/2013 11:53:42 AM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: DPMD
You got that right.

There's also no way to address most of these claims scientifically, because there is no control within the subjects own phenomenology. Suppose the disease was progressing, and had reached a point of discomfort where antidepressants were prescribed, but had not yet reached a point where suicidal or homicidal thoughts had begun? In which case the dosage might be too low, or perhaps there is no safe, effective dosage to suppress this symptom...

The truth is many people having a major depressive episode don't have homicidal or suicidal thoughts at all. Those who do might have them with or without the drug. As with all drugs, these issues show up in the clinical trials and prescribing doctors and patients are warned to look for (what may or may not be) the side-effects.

Seriously ill people being treated need to be monitored whatever the illness is.

23 posted on 01/12/2013 12:05:21 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: Chuzzlewit

Yeah, there was a *really* weird posting yesterday along the same lines of this one. Hope the AdminMods have got their eyes open for any subversive activity by that scam cult.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 12:42:10 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: FredZarguna

“but when the gland in question is the brain,”

The brain is a gland?


25 posted on 01/12/2013 12:45:26 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Vaquero
If you read the "Manual of Liability" that comes with every prescription it tells you all this, and a lot worse.

"Why is it sold?"

To make lots and lots of money.

26 posted on 01/12/2013 12:47:37 PM PST by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Persevero
Your literalism is silly and doesn't change the point.

There are actually four glands within the brain proper, and to the extent that the CNS also secrets neurotransmitters and other chemicals specific to its purpose, yes, it is a gland.

And I repeat: "talking" to nerve cells about how they're chemically malfunctioning doesn't alter them.

27 posted on 01/12/2013 1:08:51 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: Delta 21

Yes, and it makes money because it has efficacy.


28 posted on 01/12/2013 1:10:15 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: Red Steel; 45semi

http://www.infowars.com/prominent-rifle-manufacturer-killed-in-mysterious-car-crash-days-after-posting-psych-drug-link-to-school-shooters/

It’s infowars but seems legit


29 posted on 01/12/2013 1:45:18 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Seeing as we’re on the subject of psychological problems caused by medication and the pharmaceutical industry’s efforts to conceal the harm their products are causing, I wonder if I could mention a pet topic of mine: artificial hormones in pregnancy.

The human body has an enormously complex regulatory system based around steroidal hormones. The most commonly known ones are testosterone, progesterone, estradiol, cortisone and aldosterone, but there are dozens of others along with a whole host of enzyme systems that manufacture, change or destroy each type of hormone. There are a few main types of receptors targeted by these hormones (androgen, estrogen, progesterone, corticosteroid and mineralocorticoid), but each receptor type has many subtypes with differing binding affinities to these molecules. Basically it’s an enormously complex signalling and control system with many inbuilt checks and balances, that controls a waide variety of body functions, everything from blood pressure to muscle growth.

The pharmaceutical industry has developed a wide range of artificial versions of these hormones, including anabolic steroids, contraceptive hormones and corticosteroids such as prednisone. Collectively, artificial hormones are probably the single most widely used class of drugs there are in the entirety of medicine.

In adults, artificial hormones can perform many useful and beneficial medical functions, but I’ve uncovered a dark side to them which I don’t think anyone’s properly appreciated before. When they’re given to a pregnant woman, they cause misdirected development in her unborn child. They can produce malformed or missing limbs, serious abnormalities of major organs, infertility, intersexed or opposite-sexed development, and abnormalities of brain development that result in serious mental illnesses later in life. The specific thing that got me started on this was looking at the bizarre and horrific situation of people who were born with a woman’s brain in a man’s body after being exposed to one of these substances (a drug called DES), but along the way I’ve discovered several other groups of people affected in other, equally horrific ways too. The pharmaceutical industry has so far done a very good job of covering things up, and I think they’ve treated it as a series of separate disasters rather than realising that the problem lies with artificial hormones as a whole.

They disrupt the normal workings of the steroid hormone system.

In adults that doesn’t matter too much. It results in side effects, but they’re only temporary and go away once the medication is discontinued. In the unborn child it’s a whole different story though. You get misdirected development, that can affect any part of the body or brain, depending on what the drug is and at what stage of pregnancy it was administered. Once something has been built wrong, it stays that way for the remainder of that person’s life.

I was wondering if there’s any way people here in Free Republic can help me raise awareness of the problem. I’ve spent the best part of 2 years looking into this, and there definitely is a problem as far as a drug called DES is concerned, but I think it goes well beyond that. If you’ve wondered why so many bizarre and outlandish things have been happening lately, and so many crazy people doing crazy things, here is your answer.

I added a couple of comments to a story earlier about a transsexual basketball player who shows all the signs of being a victim of DES:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969058/posts

Please, have a think about what I’ve said there. This is no joke. To the best of my knowledge, a colossal medical disaster has taken place and is continuing to take place affecting literally millions of people. Everyone I’ve tried contacting so far has either ignored me or at least not been sufficiently inspired to act. As I see it, I’ve been given this one chance to do a tremendous good, but so far I’ve failed, and with each day that passes, more pregnant women are being given these drugs and more babies will be born with lifelong problems and disabilities as a result. Is there any way you people can help me raise awareness of what these drugs can do to the unborn child?

Thank you

Hugh Easton


30 posted on 01/12/2013 2:14:48 PM PST by HughE
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To: JohnPDuncan

Depressed people are often suicidal. Maybe the medication wasn’t strong enough?


31 posted on 01/12/2013 2:33:20 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: FredZarguna
Psychotherapy in a bottle doesn't cure the underling causes of your problems, it merely masks them.

Pretty much what I would expect a practitioner to say, especially one who is a quack.

No need to get snippy about it, you may note I only said chemicals don't cure depression. I did not recommend "Talk Therapy", you brought it up. I don't care, if exercise works, that's great. Maybe a religious epiphany will do it for some. I only know that loading people up with psychoactive chemicals is setting them up to experience a dangerous crash when they feel good enough and quit their meds abruptly and go totally bonkers.

You are absolutely right about the link between talk therapy and money, the process is "open ended" and will find a rapid conclusion only when the cash runs out...

Regards,
GtG

PS I'm not any sort of "practitioner". I'm a retired engineer, a recovering "Liter a day" drunk, and currently on antidepressants. Dry for over nine years and life is good.

32 posted on 01/12/2013 3:27:26 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Suprise: Judges bought off by big Pharma... you trust these people too much!


33 posted on 01/12/2013 4:00:30 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: R. Scott

Practically every single mass school shooting from 1989 onwards it comes out that the perpetrator has been found to be on suicide pills. Previously there weren’t that many ‘mass’ school shootings, most school shootings were by a disgruntled student or fired teacher and only one or two killed or wounded. (check wikipedia “history of school shootings).

1989 was the year Prozac was released and then big pharma push began.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 4:02:09 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I apologize for the snippyness. This actually is a standard line from talk therapists, counselors, and other scam artists, that chemicals don't "cure depression." No, they don't, and injecting insulin doesn't "cure" diabetes either. But it does keep you alive.

I get a very big pain in my rear listening to folks like this guy, who spread disinformation. He's as bad as the anti- vaccine people, and I suspect that his motives are far less pure.

35 posted on 01/12/2013 4:08:20 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Antidepressent use has always had the risk of suicide, ever since the first crude versions came out in the seventies.

Sometimes a severely depressed person is so depressed they are physically unable to do much. I would call it face-down-on-the-bed depressed.

So they are given an antidepressant. So they start improving. Sometimes they gain physical energy faster than their emotions improve. So a profoundly depressed person who couldnt open a can of peas previously, is now still profoundly depressed but can move around and do things, Like kill themselves.

If they were just able to wait a bit longer, their mood would catch up with their physical response.


36 posted on 01/12/2013 4:12:11 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: JohnPDuncan

It’s not that easy. I knew one of the top biochemical psychiatrists in the country back in the 1980’s. He was a high grade genius type, and his take on psychiatric drugs explains a lot.

“Neurochemistry is incredibly complex, and science is just starting to make inroads into understanding it. Drugs are a shotgun solution to bb gun problems. But people are so incredibly desperate for something, anything, that can help them, that they are more than willing to try extremely powerful drugs on just the off-chance they might help.”

The situation isn’t helped by brain individuality, which is extensive. Some people are killed by a slight concussion; whereas others have had more than half their brain removed yet not lost entirely any single function.

His estimate then was that if research continues at a breakneck pace, in somewhere between 50-200 years we might figure out the whole system. But until then, science does what it can, because the alternative is truly awful.

Now this being said, Peter R. Breggin, M.D. appears to be one of those individuals who are no longer scientists, but advocates, that no longer look to science for proof, preferring anecdote and opinion. In his case, he has embraced the same line of thinking of those who abhor vaccination against communicable disease.

It’s a numbers game. If six people out of 10,000 get a horrible effect from a life saving drug, it is a cause for concern, but not a good reason to ban it for the other 9,990.


37 posted on 01/12/2013 6:28:27 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: FredZarguna

“Your literalism is silly and doesn’t change the point. “

I wasn’t trying to be silly. I don’t know much about the brain. I was curious.


38 posted on 01/12/2013 8:21:58 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Vaquero

Why are any harmaceuticals sold?

They all have deadly side effects, far more prevalent than the licensed use of them.

There isn’t one that brings about healing or curing of disease. Just so-called “disease management,” if you’re willing to accept such a disingenuous euphemism.


39 posted on 01/12/2013 9:01:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FredZarguna; Persevero

>> “talking” to nerve cells about how they’re chemically malfunctioning doesn’t alter them. <<

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Unless it is the Holy Spirit doing the “talking.”


40 posted on 01/12/2013 9:05:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FredZarguna; Delta 21

The only “efficacy” any of them have, in the big picture, is the shortening of life.


41 posted on 01/12/2013 9:09:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Show me a peer-reviewed study in humans that establishes any such thing.


42 posted on 01/12/2013 9:29:56 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: editor-surveyor

What about the Easter Bunny? I hear he has “powers” that are just as effective.


43 posted on 01/12/2013 9:32:12 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: FredZarguna

The “peer” of a liar is another liar.


44 posted on 01/12/2013 10:13:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FredZarguna

>> “ I hear he has “powers” that are just as effective” <<

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You “hear” that because your cranium is stuffed with prozac easter eggs.


45 posted on 01/12/2013 10:15:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JohnPDuncan
1989 was the year Prozac was released and then big pharma push began.

That’s about the time I noticed we were becoming a pill oriented society. TV ads were pushing hard. Got a headache? Take a pill. Need more sleep? Take a pill. Don’t feel good for any reason? Take a pill. Any problem could be fixed with a pill. No longer did people have to deal with anything. Give the kid a pill and put him back on ignore.

46 posted on 01/13/2013 4:21:13 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: 45semi

http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


47 posted on 01/13/2013 4:35:59 AM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: 45semi; ronnie raygun
You might be interested in this post:

And natural news is now banned from FR as a 911 truther nutcase site – Jim Robinson

48 posted on 01/13/2013 4:53:45 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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