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Ore., Calif., require transgender health coverage
Associated Press ^ | Jan 11, 2013 7:05 PM EST | Jonathan J. Cooper

Posted on 01/12/2013 1:45:49 PM PST by Olog-hai

Regulators in Oregon and California have quietly directed some health insurance companies to stop denying coverage for transgender patients because of their gender identity.

The states aren’t requiring coverage of specific medical treatments. But they told some private insurance companies they must pay for a transgender person’s hormone therapy, breast reduction, cancer screening or any other procedure deemed medically necessary if they cover it for patients who aren’t transgender.

The changes apply to companies insuring about a third of Oregonians and about 7 percent of Californians, but not to people on Medicare and Medicaid or to the majority of Californians who are insured through a health management organization, or HMO.

Advocacy groups said the action is a major step forward in their long battle to win better health care coverage for transgender Americans. …

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; transexual; transgenderism

1 posted on 01/12/2013 1:45:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Idiots.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 1:51:01 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Olog-hai
Should offer to pay psychological counseling, cause they are sick in the head. A number of people who have had their sexual organs mutulated have later commited suicide, I wonder how many people have commited suicide because they were not the other sex? So either way you go, you need pysch help. It is just a magnitude more dangerous if you do play that game. I also see from the bible that 100% of those who get chopped, go to hell for eternity. Not worth it for sure.
3 posted on 01/12/2013 1:58:56 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Not a problem. Just make the rich insurance companies pay for it. It’s all free.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 2:02:33 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: Olog-hai

Transgender insurance should cover the expenses incurred at a mental institution for the insane who wish to mutilate themselves.

Its so strange that if a person wanted to cut off his arm they would call him insane, but if he wants to cut off his johnson he is alledgedly sane? Not in my book he isn’t.
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And what sane woman would want to get an addadictome using testosterone to make their clitoris grow into something that is merely freakish, and mostly useless.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 2:08:53 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

So? Guys? Is it really so great? Should I get that addadictomy, because it’s now covered?? Isn’t it harder to ride a bicycle?


6 posted on 01/12/2013 2:10:25 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

My husband knows two men who are now women and both of them are more unhappy now than they were before. They are miserable, but there is no going back


7 posted on 01/12/2013 2:13:19 PM PST by Eva
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To: Olog-hai

Oh for goodness sakes.....enough!


8 posted on 01/12/2013 2:18:37 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Olog-hai

Is it still cultural Marxism if it’s ‘quiet?’


9 posted on 01/12/2013 2:20:59 PM PST by relictele
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To: Eva

What I never understood is when a man becomes a woman only to be a lesbian.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 2:41:06 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Venturer
Its so strange that if a person wanted to cut off his arm they would call him insane, but if he wants to cut off his johnson he is alledgedly sane?

I have used a similar argument such as: Gee, I never knew we had a cure for all those germaphobes who have to constantly be washing their hands. Just cut their hands off. Problem fixed.

You are correct. That would be nuts. But, how is it different from someone who says that they "constantly feel they are the wrong sex". I have heard some of these people say that they just can't get past the feeling that they are the wrong sex. Well, to me that sounds like obsessive compulsive behavior. So, if we don't cut the hands off of OCD people who constantly wash their hands because of "germs"; why do we cut off sex organs of people who have the obsession that they are the wrong sex.

I suppose it is easier than trying to help them in other ways; but, really, does it help?

11 posted on 01/12/2013 2:55:57 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: Eva

[ My husband knows two men who are now women and both of them are more unhappy now than they were before. They are miserable, but there is no going back ]

Here are my personal observations about such encounters with such people:

The easier they make it the more people are gonna get it and the more people who will end up unhappy...

The harder it is the less people will be unhappy, it is that whole thing where if someone has to struggle for something they appreciate it more.

I say let them scrimp and save and pay for it themselves and the struggle will weed out the ones that later will be depressed and the ones that DO actually get the “treatment” will actually appreciate it more or they will take their own lives, and if they do at least the state has not wasted our money on it.

Another thing that causes problems in this so called “community” is the fact that it is sold that “getting a sex change will solve all your problems” and that meme is carried forth with great gusto. The transgendered “folks” get this idea in their head that once they pop out of the operating room all the problems that plagued them before such as people calling them SIR or avoid them because they still act like a freeking truck driver and in some cases look very close.... Or they think that people will all want to be their friend now because they now have a fancy new vagina or peiner installed. What they don’t get is that is you are a rude unpleasant person BEFORE the surgery they will be a rude unpleasant person AFTER the surgery.

These unrealistic expectations will build and build before the surgery and they expect them all to be fulfilled, and when they are not which is ALWAYS the case they get a rude awakening. It is much like the expectation of people that go to college expecting that after they get out they will have a job ready and waiting for them and life will be a breeze and it is not.... Nothing but a huge case of unpleasant “Culture Shock” caused by unrealistic expectations.

This is what liberalism DOES by default, it sets up people for failure by feeding them unrealistic expectations!

Transgendereds taking their lives after surgery is nothing more than the mere manifestation of the same phenomenon that plagues the “every one gets ribbon” liberal mentality.

Giving people false hope and unrealistic expectations rather than telling them the hard cold truth leads to future suffering.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 3:00:50 PM PST by GraceG
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To: LibertarianLiz

Maybe the state should pay for it, but only if it is done BEFORE they sire or have any children, could be seen as a way to “Take the muck out of the gene pool” per se.

I would rather have the state pay for vasectomies/castrations, tubal ligations/hysterectomies that to have it pay for abortions via “planned unparenthood”

But then my Little l libertarian kicks in and says the gov shouldn’t, at least the federal gov should spent a damned plugged nickel on any of this, if the individual state wants to, let them.

People are free to poke all sorts of crap in their skin and look like poster children for the “spot welding society”, they wish to mutilate themselves, let them, but they should damn well pay for it themselves.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 3:08:12 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Olog-hai

Placemark.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 3:48:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Yaelle

“Isn’t it harder to ride a bicycle?”

Having a penis does not make it harder (uh-oh!) to ride a bicycle. Having a 61 year old prostate and a hard seat makes for some totally new sensations after you get OFF of the bicycle.


15 posted on 01/12/2013 4:25:38 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Rusty0604

I think that these guys were probably gay. One of them says that he never realized how hard it is to be a woman, to have to try to make yourself attractive every single day. He just gave up and pulls his mass of gray hair back into a pony tail. I think that if he got rid of the boobs and wore men’s clothing, he would look still look like man. Now, he just looks like a very ugly old woman.

My husband knew both of the men prior to the change, one from Vietnam and the other from work.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 4:30:51 PM PST by Eva
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To: Olog-hai

I read this and it dawned on me that libtards are completely obsessed with unnatural sexual practices. Deep down this makes them feel strange so they try to force everone else to accept it as normal.


17 posted on 01/12/2013 4:38:35 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Olog-hai

How are any of those things “medically necessary” by any stretch of the imagination?


18 posted on 01/12/2013 5:07:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Rusty0604

Generally, it’s because they grow up thinking they’re female but knowing they’re male: they end up having a lot of resentment toward masculinity because of that.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 6:54:14 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Olog-hai

Eunich insurance.

Giving liberals the “right” to cut off men’t equipment so everyone can be equal... They will target boys.


20 posted on 01/12/2013 7:33:56 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

of course they will

they have the media and government schools and leftists encourage kids into homosxuality while banning parents from trying to get psychological counseling for those kids to help them become normal


21 posted on 01/12/2013 7:39:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SaraJohnson
They already have . . .
22 posted on 01/12/2013 7:59:59 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I know. Sickening and evil. Parents who take charge of their own sons (remove them from public schools) are saints. They are going after the boys. It’s horrific.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 8:32:31 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: GeronL

Parents and grandparents have to wake up and remove their sons from public school control NOW!


24 posted on 01/12/2013 8:33:57 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Yaelle
It would have to be uncomfortable for a female-to-male transition.

If they go all the way and have a phallioplasty it's going to be odd to have something there that wasn't there originally.

25 posted on 01/12/2013 10:26:31 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Rusty0604

A lot of DES sons are like that - they have a very strong feeling of being a woman trapped in a man’s body and a desire to do feminine things, but nonetheless they’re sexually attracted to women and not men. DES as a treatment for miscarriage was typically given throughout the second and third trimester of pregnancy, which is when most sexually dimorphic brain development takes place. The doses used were well above what is required to chemically castrate an adult man, and I think it had the effect of shutting down their testosterone production throughout the time their mothers were being given the stuff, with the result that most of their sexually dimorphic brain development went down the female pathway instead of the male one.

In normal male development, there’s a further surge in testosterone production that starts shortly after birth and continues for about 4-6 months, after which the testicles go into a dormant state until puberty. Presumably that is driving a further phase of sexually dimorphic brain development, and I suspect that must be when whatever the brain circuitry is that drives sexual orientation is formed. I think that for many of them, their endocrine system recovered sufficiently to generate that postnatal testosterone surge, with the result that the postnatal part of their sexually dimorphic brain development went down the male pathway. I’ve joined an online support group for DES sons, and reading through the message archive I’ve noticed that amid all the girly chat you often see quite odd-looking male things popping out in what they say. I think for most of them it isn’t a simple case of being a woman trapped in a man’s body, but instead, like me, they’re a hybrid of woman and man. In general they seem to have undergone a lot more female brain development than I have though, which is one of the reasons (along with my mother’s medical history) I think that, although I was born during the DES era, I’m probably not a DES son myself.

For anyone who’s interested and wants to know more, I’ve posted some comments in an earlier story about a transsexual basketball player who shows all the signs of being a DES son:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969058/posts

I don’t think the problem is limited to DES either, I think that ANY artificial hormones given during pregnancy have the potential to interfere with the normal functioning of the steroid hormone system and cause misdirected development in the unborn child. See my comment (no. 30) in
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2977428/posts

Hugh


26 posted on 01/13/2013 7:08:07 AM PST by HughE
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To: American in Israel

I saw a pic of Chaz Bono without “his” shirt on. It looked weird to see the chest where her breasts once were.

You’d probably gasp at how horribly deformed it looks. Two big ‘ol flaps of skin sewn back on the body.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 10:40:02 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: American in Israel

I saw a pic of Chaz Bono without “his” shirt on. It looked weird to see the chest where her breasts once were.

You’d probably gasp at how horribly deformed it looks. Two big ‘ol flaps of skin sewn back on the body.


28 posted on 01/13/2013 10:40:25 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Yaelle

It’d be one HELL of an adjustment!


29 posted on 01/13/2013 10:41:09 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Eva

Menstruation is the hardest part of being a woman,at least from my POV.

I’m a bit of a Tomboy who wears T-shirts and basketball shorts although I do get all gussy-upped when I need to.

And I honestly think I am one of the very few women who still wears pantyhose. Seriously. Can’t go without ‘em.


30 posted on 01/13/2013 10:53:08 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Most young single women avoid menstruation completely by skipping the placebo week on their birth control pills. I suspect that is a big part of the reason for the push for free birth control pills. I have to wonder what the long term effects of such practices might be, though.

The transgendered men, I mean women, on the other hand, struggle with the makeup and the hair. No matter what they did, they could not make themselves attractive, so they gave up. Pantyhose, they didn’t mind.


31 posted on 01/15/2013 9:07:38 AM PST by Eva
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