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Food Storage: How much do you have right now?
Ferfal's Blog Spot ^ | 1/10/13 | Ferfal

Posted on 01/12/2013 5:04:17 PM PST by Kartographer

It goes without saying that food is a top priority for survival from any perspective. No matter what happens, food will be needed. If you get hit by a tsunami, you’ll need food (and potable water!!!) and it may be ruined and scattered all over the area with the rest of your belongings except for what you managed to keep in a Bug out Bag or other Survival/Emergency Kit. If you’re snowed in during a storm, you better have supplies. If inflation sends food prices up 25% each passing year (or each passing WEEK! yes, can happen) trust me on this one, you will wish you had put aside that food stash you never got around to prepare. And if nothing ever happens… yes, you still need to eat, don’t you?


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I thought this was very interesting:

Before you even ask about canned food real expiration date: In 1820, William Perry (Parry) took an expedition in search of the Northwest Passage, toward the North Pole. He took with him some canned meats. At the time, food canning was about a 10-year-old technology. At least one can of meat was not used and wound up in a museum in England. In 1938, it was opened and found to be edible. It was fed to a cat which suffered no ill effects from eating the 118-year-old meat. http://www.internet-grocer.net/how-long.htm
1 posted on 01/12/2013 5:04:39 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 01/12/2013 5:06:10 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

There is a related article over on our own ChocChipCookie blog the Survival Mom:

Ask The Survival Mom: Re-using glass jars, food storage brands, budget camping gear, and dehydrating dairy and eggs

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2013/01/09/ask-the-survival-mom-re-using-glass-jars-food-storage-brands-budget-camping-gear-and-dehydrating-dairy-and-eggs/


4 posted on 01/12/2013 5:08:53 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
It was fed to a cat which suffered no ill effects from eating the 118-year-old meat.

Yeah, well, I'll feed catz and visitors things I won't eat myself. ;)

One advantage here is that meat wanders across the yard on a regular basis.

On a serious note. I've got a minor medical procedure that I really, really want to get taken care of, but it's going to take a trip to the MD where all the people sick with the flu are.

No thanks. I'm not going out in public until the flu thing is over. Minus a spleen, I'm likely to catch anything going around.

Good thing is I'm eating just like I always do. 2 weeks since the last grocery store visit, and at least a month before I start to want to.

It's good to have a savings account in a currency that you can eat, and doesn't depreciate like the dollar does.

/johnny

5 posted on 01/12/2013 5:11:13 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Many people say that increasing Vit D intake can protect against flu.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 5:17:52 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup
I take it. I'm still not going out.

/johnny

7 posted on 01/12/2013 5:22:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Related, riot over housing vouchers in Detroit:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2977536/posts


8 posted on 01/12/2013 5:22:21 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not suggesting you should go out. How much D do you take. I havent taken any although I am supposed to according to medico.

I can stay put for a while too. Water is my only problem.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 5:28:32 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup
I take enough to keep my blood tests correct, or a little high.

Water isn't a problem here. I've got more than me and the garden can handle.

/johnny

10 posted on 01/12/2013 5:36:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dynachrome

People living in the progressive cities might want to start attending these type of events to sharpen and hone their survival skills in a real life interactive environment. After about 3-4 days after the Food Stamp President’s initiated financial crash, you will have the same environment once the lemmings realize the party is over and survival and escape skills will be absolutely necessary.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 5:41:20 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I am not sure it would take 3 days any more.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 5:53:13 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Kartographer

I’m slowly squirreling away foodstuffs. If there’s a sale on something, I’ll just get some extra and stuff it in the basement. Not that I’ll let anyone know precisely how much extra I have. );-)


13 posted on 01/12/2013 5:54:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

If society falls apart unless you have a tank and a LOT of fuel you can’t go anywhere. You have to figure on defending your home fortress. You probably can’t do it by yourself. You have to organize now for family and neighbors to come together to keep unauthorized people out of the neighborhood. You have to have big firepower to make the moochers that want your stuff decide it is easier to take it from somebody else who won’t kill them.

Realize that your windows will be shot out and that anything not nailed down will walk away if there is not a 24 hour guard.

I hope this is all nonsense but it could happen.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 5:55:33 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

If society falls apart unless you have a tank and a LOT of fuel you can’t go anywhere. You have to figure on defending your home fortress. You probably can’t do it by yourself. You have to organize now for family and neighbors to come together to keep unauthorized people out of the neighborhood. You have to have big firepower to make the moochers that want your stuff decide it is easier to take it from somebody else who won’t kill them.

Realize that your windows will be shot out and that anything not nailed down will walk away if there is not a 24 hour guard.

I hope this is all nonsense but it could happen.


15 posted on 01/12/2013 5:55:42 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Kartographer

I noticed one story during the Sandy Not So Super Storm reporting. A couple of neighbors were cooking up soup on a propane burner. They were feeding a couple of streets from that one little setup, so somebody was prepared and was thinking. The bad part, the NYC health department came in and closed them down for not having the proper permits and licenses. The good part, they moved the operation into their back yard and made it an invitation only block party the next day. On a side note, I have spent the better part of the last year actually testing out our preparations. I have a stock of propane, gasoline and tested generator, sun oven that was used to cook a wide variety of foods and actual preparation and eating of stored foods. Especially interesting and creative was the preparation of various rice, beans, re-hydrated meats and vegetables, canned meats and vegetable meals (it could get real boring with only rice or beans for meals day after day). In addition, we experimented with various types of vegetables grown in our garden with water captured from the gutters into holding tanks. Since we are in Texas, we also experimented with getting two crops during the long growing season and canning. Will be doing more experimentation this year.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 5:56:38 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ve been pouncing on my local grocery store’s buy one, get one free sales. We’ve got enough peanut butter to last a year. It will be a boring year in food, but we’ll survive.


17 posted on 01/12/2013 5:58:52 PM PST by Josa
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To: RetiredTexasVet; metmom
"I noticed one story during the Sandy Not So Super Storm reporting"

Man I thought we were so over such BULL!
18 posted on 01/12/2013 5:59:38 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JAKraig

Probably true. In most cases, escape from the city even with a full tank and extra fuel will be frustrated by all the wrecks and roving gangs. I was talking to a former resident of Denver who moved down here and his plan before was to get on his motorcycle with his wife and escape Denver. I asked him one question which really highlighted the silliness of his previous idea .... what if it happens after a normal 2 foot snow fall? At least he had the sense to move out last year.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 6:02:45 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: Kartographer

Before-and-After Satellite Shots Show the Horror of Sandy’s Destruction [PHOTOS]

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/06/before-and-after-satellite-shots-show-the-horror-of-sandys-destruction-photos/#ixzz2HogqergK


20 posted on 01/12/2013 6:04:26 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RetiredTexasVet

The bad part, the NYC health department came in and closed them down for not having the proper permits and licenses


Kind of reminds me of the New Testament descriptions of Jesus dealing with the pharisees. Always nitpicking with their stupid laws in spite of all common sense. When I learned about these simple stories as a child, it seemed so very clear. Now look at us today.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 6:06:33 PM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: Kartographer

Some people will never be convinced.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 6:09:49 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

A two foot snowfall would probably make escape on a snowmobile easier — little competing traffic, and lots of alternatives to the streets.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 6:15:02 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Kartographer

Possibly an extremely large storm that hit a poorly prepared and vulnerable area of barrier islands and sea coast areas, but not super at all. No 200 mph winds for 2 -3 days, no 30 - 40 foot storm surges, just a big storm, not frequent, but inevitable. In many aspects, just like Galveston, TX where it gets completely washed away every 100 years or so .... completely washed away .... everything, but they rebuild it each time at great expense ignoring the obvious stupidity of it each time. When you live on the ocean, below (New Orleans, subways, etc.) or at sea level, you are going to periodically going to be destroyed....not maybe, you will at some point.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 6:15:02 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: JRandomFreeper

People have no manners in public. They will cough and sneeze on any one close to them.

I keep 1 week food supply. Good when power goes out.
Had many 5ft snow storms in 70’s and food stores open 2 days later.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 6:17:50 PM PST by Morris70
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Possible on a snowmobile, but not a motorcycle. But, better have the snowmobile well muffled .... someone desiring a snowmobile would try to pick you off.


26 posted on 01/12/2013 6:18:47 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: Morris70; Marcella
This time of year, after harvest? I've got enough to make it to spring. My grandmother would have understood, as she did it herself, and that's where I learned to go into fall with a full larder.

That's not really prepping. That's just living life as it was lived for thousands of years before it changed after WWII.

/johnny

27 posted on 01/12/2013 6:21:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I agree with you. I live in a townhome without garden.
Grandmother grew up on farm.


28 posted on 01/12/2013 6:29:56 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Morris70
I'm in a one bedroom shotgun shack, but I've got room enough for food until spring, and it's not like bought stuff is going to get any cheaper.

/johnny

29 posted on 01/12/2013 6:38:57 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Some...but not enough in a purely defensive mode. I have backup to get my food in an offensive mode. (both ways combined without outside interference, I could exist for quite some time.) Thanks for posting, Kartographer. Thanks for your work. BTTT!

Prepare. Persevere.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 6:40:16 PM PST by PGalt
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To: RetiredTexasVet
someone desiring a snowmobile would try to pick you off.

Someone desiring a snowmobile is a pervert. ;)

/johnny

31 posted on 01/12/2013 6:42:23 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Josa

So lets say you wanted to invest a little in some bulk food that would be easy to store. Something that would keep you alive and not kill the bank, say a starter kit.

I would suggest the following, A large 20 pound bag of rice, a ten pound bag of pinto beans, a five pound bag of red beans and a five pound bag of navy beans. Toss in if you can a 20 pound bag of whole oat groats and a 20 pound bag of red bakers wheat.

Add a five pound bag of salt, an two five pound bags of sugar.

You are talking months of food, for a very little investment. White rice contains lysine which is missing from the beans. Rice and beans together, and you have a complete meal.

The wheat and oats can be chopped up easily with a knife, the wheat soaked over night, the oats are ready instantly, Boil in hot water for 20 minutes and you have a great breakfast meal.

All of these items are whole seed and keep indefinatly except the beans, beans are oxygen sensitive and after a year or two exposed to air will not soften properly when you cook them. However the nutrition is there. If you wanted the beans to be stored for emergencys only, and last for years, put the beans in gallon zip lock baggies with an oxygen adsorber and stack the gallon bags in a five gallon bucket with lid. The beans will last for decades if dry and no oxygen.

Oxygen adsorbers can be purchased on the internet (ebay) or if you are in a pinch hand warmers work just as good. The basicly are the same thing.

what is in oxygen adsorbers by the way is iron powder and salt. The salt causes the iron to rust by stealing oxygen from the air.

K, guys, there you are, the poor mans Food storage. It may be boring food, but it will keep you alive and is easy to store.

A couple of hundred bucks spent this way will go miles farther than any other type of SHTF food and is super easy to preserve and store.

My kit is all in mylar bags with oxygen adsorbers, inside 5 gallon buckets with lids. Done deal for the next few decades.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 6:46:24 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet; metmom
"Possibly an extremely large storm"



Ahhhh....Do you think?
33 posted on 01/12/2013 6:50:51 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: American in Israel
A large 20 pound bag of rice, a ten pound bag of pinto beans, a five pound bag of red beans and a five pound bag of navy beans. Toss in if you can a 20 pound bag of whole oat groats and a 20 pound bag of red bakers wheat. Add a five pound bag of salt, an two five pound bags of sugar.

You never heard of menu fatigue, have you?

Those things are good to have, but you can't live a normal life on them. Those are refugee foods by themselves.

And you left out oil or fat of some kind.

Me? I'm not going to live like a refugee, ever. Not after the market crash in 2008, when I had to rely on stored and foraged provisions, not next month, not next year, not ever.

/johnny

34 posted on 01/12/2013 7:07:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Does anyone know where I can order online a case or two of Avocet?

Avocet is a dairy cream product found outside the U.S. I used to buy it at a PX while living in Europe, but cannot find it here.


35 posted on 01/12/2013 7:19:58 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

For those of you who prefer butter on your toast (the poster did say they had a year’s supply of PB, Johnny) you can buy Red Feather canned butter online.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190715247773?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Ebay also lists canned cheese by Bega.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190620543161?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I would like to add that Costco sells canned beef, chicken, and salmon, which when used in conjunction with veggies and rice or noodles form the basis of various, healthful meals.

Walmart sells canned hams from Denmark.

I live in Washington State, and for anyone living there, a hunting and fishing license plus garden can provide a full larder and freezer year round.


36 posted on 01/12/2013 7:28:51 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll
Peanut butter don't make corn bread for squat.

I perfer lard, or drippings, or even veg. oil.

The canned butter is very expensive. But it is very, very good, too. Better than American butter. I bought a sample, and used it.

The cheese is also good, but I like mine better.

If push comes to shove that butter and cheese aren't available. I'll make my own. I have those skillsets and the skillsets to build the equipment, if mine is gone.

The critters required are nearby.

/johnny

37 posted on 01/12/2013 7:36:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RetiredTexasVet; Kartographer
No 200 mph winds for 2 -3 days,

NOBODY has that kind of winds speeds for that kind of time frame.

If that's your criteria for making it a super storm, you;'re way out of step with reality.

Those who didn't live through it can poo-poo it all they want but all they end up doing is demonstrating how out of touch with reality they are.

That storm and the situation that spawned it was so unprecedented that it well deserved being categorized as a superstorm.

38 posted on 01/12/2013 8:01:02 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I have food for a year or so, hard to tell because I don't eat much at a time but that might change in such a situation. Most of it is written down except about the last year of picking up various items when I went to the grocery. So, okay, that amounts to a lot of cans and packages and I didn't write it down and I don't care. I have a good memory and know where I put it and it's separate from the written down items.

If I had a husband and children, I would freak out making sure there was plenty for the different appetites.

39 posted on 01/12/2013 8:21:11 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: metmom
was so unprecedented

Take a deep breath...

1934. 1938. 1944. 1960.

Those smacked NY pretty hard, too.

What was different this time is that people were unprepared, and there were a hell of a lot more of them.

I don't think anyone here wants to discount the damage done or the pain endured. But there is plenty of precendent for large storms hitting New York. There are web pages listing major storms going back to the 1800s.

Stay prepared yourself, I'm glad you made it through it, and encourage others to be prepared, because it DOES happen to NY. A lot, actually, if you take a close look.

/johnny

40 posted on 01/12/2013 8:37:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Take a deep breath...

1934. 1938. 1944. 1960.

Those smacked NY pretty hard, too.

True but it was more than just a bad storm hitting NY that made it unprecedented.

It was the conditions which allowed the storm to develop and track the way it did that were unprecedented.

And it was a BIG storm, winds and water aside. It covered a HUGE land area.

41 posted on 01/12/2013 8:46:06 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
1938 was pretty darn widespread and harsh, if I recall. I watched this the other day. It was produced before Sandy. It's about hurricanes and New York and how vulnerable you guys are.

/johnny

42 posted on 01/12/2013 8:57:41 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

“Food is still cheap and plentiful. That hasn’t always been the case. Don’t expect it to stay that way forever.”

One can say that just about anything these days - but it simply CANNOT last. We are borrowing way too much money, and once that gravy train stops (i.e., the Chinese start demanding we pay in real money for their stuff), the house of cards crumbles...virtually overnight.


43 posted on 01/12/2013 9:00:30 PM PST by BobL
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To: metmom
Please don't take what I say wrong... I was praying specifically for you and yours when things went bad, and I saw here on FR that there was a concern.

I do, however want you to have real facts and history to put the situation into context with, and all I'm trying to do is provide those.

Yes, I'm an un-emotional, pedantic, son-of-a-b****, except I'm really not. The Atlantic has hated New York since before the Dutch owned it and it was New Amsterdam.

Watch the YouTube presentation about hurricanes in NY. It offers good historical perspective. Written BEFORE Sandy hit. This was predicted.

/johnny

44 posted on 01/12/2013 9:04:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; metmom; RetiredTexasVet
"I don't think anyone here wants to discount the damage done or the pain endured."

I have to disagree with you there Johnny there are plenty of FReepers who vehemently discount those things about Sandy and continue to, to this day. There was also a smaller, but very vocal group who wished Sandy had done more! I know I've talked and debated them until I was blue in the face!

One FReeper called me out saying my claim of such behaivor wasn't true and between myself metmom and others we sent him links to enough post that he agree our claim was vaided and apologized to us. Darkhearts aren't reserved for the leftist. Many that want to destroy the 'monsters' of the world end up becoming one themselves.
45 posted on 01/12/2013 9:15:25 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JRandomFreeper; Kartographer

The contention earlier on the thread is that Sandy was over blown and did not deserve the label of superstorm, something we heard a LOT of during and just after the storm hit.

A lot of people were poo-pooing it, saying it was just media hype, etc.

It was a big storm, both in actual physical size, and the large area of destruction and the magnitude of it. It was not media hype.

No, nobody is saying that there weren’t bigger storms or ones that may have cause similar damage, but Sandy sure ranked right up there with the worst of the worst and it was big enough in physical size to be labeled as a super storm

As for the predictions, the American computer models did not predict the storm track it took, although they should have. It was an European computer model which got it right.

Additionally, I watched the radar map during this whole scenario and the storm that came out of the midwest which sucked Sandy into it, actually backed up back out to the west, and THAT IS unprecedented. We are in the prevailing southwesterlies and storm systems ALWAYS head in an easterly direction. They just don’t go east to west. That was a very unusual scenario.


46 posted on 01/12/2013 9:16:26 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; JRandomFreeper

There were plenty on FR that voiced their willingness to see the whole northeast coast to be washed out to sea and its population with it if it would have ensure BAMA’s defeat. I wanted the man gone as much as the next guy, but not by the deaths of hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans.


47 posted on 01/12/2013 9:23:01 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; JRandomFreeper

There were also more than enough who declared that we NYers *deserved* it because *we* voted for liberal politicians.

There was NO sympathy for any of the victims of that storm. If NYers weren’t at fault for electing the politicians, we were at fault for living in the state, and hence, still deserved it for staying or *allowing* the government to become corrupt.


48 posted on 01/12/2013 9:31:12 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; JRandomFreeper; Kartographer

>> “ We are in the prevailing southwesterlies and storm systems ALWAYS head in an easterly direction. They just don’t go east to west. That was a very unusual scenario.” <<

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Most of the year, that is true, but in late October, East to West systems dominate. Depending on where you are, they are called ‘Chinooks,’ or ‘Santa Annas.’

They tend to be warm.


49 posted on 01/12/2013 9:32:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Kartographer
I damn sure wasn't one. I was on my knees praying.

NY is vulnerable. During WWII to submarines, to the changes in the Atlantic conveyor creating hurricanes... Lots of folks in a tiny packed spot.

/johnny

50 posted on 01/12/2013 9:40:38 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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