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Hot Dog Stand Purse Snatching Leads to Shooting in Miami (Husband Chased Purse Thief)
NBC Miami ^ | Monday, Jan 14, 2013

Posted on 01/14/2013 4:38:32 PM PST by nickcarraway

Man who tried to chase down thief who stole wife's purse shot: Police

A man who tried to chase down a suspect who stole his wife's purse at a Miami hot dog stand wound up hospitalized after he was shot Sunday, police said.

The incident happened at the hot dog stand in the 1900 block of Northwest 21st Street.

Police said the couple had just bought a hot dog and were standing at the business when someone took the woman's purse.

The husband chased after the thief but was shot in the leg, Miami Police spokesman Willie Moreno said. He was hospitalized but expected to be fine.

Police said the suspect and another man fled the scene in a beige car. No one else was injured.


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1 posted on 01/14/2013 4:38:37 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Bullets can run well over the speed of sound.


2 posted on 01/14/2013 4:44:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway

Miami: soon to be Florida’s detroit.

Avoid Miami/Dade county at all cost.

The rest of my state is nice though.


3 posted on 01/14/2013 4:45:37 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: bicyclerepair
Avoid Miami/Dade county at all cost.

Caveat: Unless knowledgeable of the area and well armed/trained. I was born and raised here in Miami-Dade. I've been a public school teacher here for 24 years and spent 16 of those deep in inner city high schools. They're a very rough crowd but if you're a sheepdog the wolves both young and old tend to sense it and won't mess with you. But all sheep are there to be shorn. This guy obviously had a wide streak of the sheepdog in him, but he ignored that rule about being aware and knowledgeable of your surroundings. You don't run off into a possible ambush without being very aware of the situation. I completely disagree on the parallel to Detroit, too. Miami will always be full of beautiful folks and awesome weather while Detroit resembles the apocalypse. Miami will always be awash in money and Detroit will not, at least not to the same degree.

4 posted on 01/14/2013 5:04:38 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier
Good post and thanks for the sheepdog link! That's the way it is.
5 posted on 01/14/2013 5:11:49 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: nickcarraway

All hot dog stands should be closed (/libtard “thinking”)


6 posted on 01/14/2013 5:25:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: ExSoldier
I'm sorry, but it's nonsense to lump in police with soldiers as being sheepdogs. Armed citizens are the true sheepdogs at home, not the police.

Where were the police during the LA riots? The Koreans were the true sheepdogs there.

7 posted on 01/14/2013 5:31:43 PM PST by Ken H
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To: freedumb2003
All hot dog stands should be closed (/libtard “thinking”)

According to Jesse Jackson, it's the purse manufacturer's fault.

8 posted on 01/14/2013 5:39:24 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: nickcarraway

Checked several sources and didn’t find a description. That did not go unnoticed in some of the ‘comments’ section.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 5:53:01 PM PST by Ken H
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To: freedumb2003

The good news for the victim is that the perps probably do less financial damage with that purse than the wife.


10 posted on 01/14/2013 6:01:55 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: nickcarraway

Criminal attacks you or someone else, shoot them, do not chase them. If you are unarmed, leave it to the police and see it as a valuable lesson of what can happen to you if you are unarmed.


11 posted on 01/14/2013 6:08:02 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: ExSoldier

Miami on Biscayne Bay is one of the more beautiful settings for a city, too. I remember it from many years ago.


12 posted on 01/14/2013 6:36:57 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Ken H
I couldn't disagree with your statement more. The primary burden for the defense of this nation lies with the official armed forces including the police. The armed citizen is a vital component, but it's not the only component. When a crime is reported, who responds? The cops. Sure they may be late because their numbers are limited BUT they are charged with the safekeeping of society. Aside from a nebulous "citizen's arrest" assertion, do average citizens enjoy the right to arrest an armed felon? No of course not! They can hold or detain a suspect until the lawful authority arrives, but they cannot under US law act in the stead of a law enforcement officer and that of course is the correct course to take. I got my B.A. degree in Criminal Justice and I'm getting my masters in Homeland Security & Counter Terrorism (just now finished a lecture in fact).

Sheepdogs among the citizens hold the line where necessary but they're there to HELP not run the effort on their own. Those Korean's in LA were taking care of themselves, not the greater metropolis. That was a job for an out numbered and out gunned police who eventually had to bring in the national guard and even then the US Army was standing by in the wings. As long as the military abides by the Constitution and the civil federal government does the same they are acting within the boundaries of their official warrants under the law. When they step outside the Constitution is where the Constitution provides WE THE PEOPLE with a remedy internal to itself. We call it the Second Amendment.

13 posted on 01/14/2013 6:40:42 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier
I couldn't disagree with your statement more. The primary burden for the defense of this nation lies with the official armed forces including the police.

So Obama is Commander-in-Chief of the police, too? Look, police are not part of this nation's 'official armed forces'. They are a civil creation of state and local governments under authority of the Tenth Amendment.

The armed citizen is a vital component, but it's not the only component.

Which means he is not one of the helpless sheep, either. Not only is it BS, it is downright patronizing and arrogant for cops to present themselves as big sheepdog protecting helpless 'civilians'.

The military are the only ones entitled to be called 'sheepdogs'.

14 posted on 01/14/2013 8:33:17 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Make up your mind. Last time you said ONLY private citizens can be termed as sheepdogs.
15 posted on 01/14/2013 11:20:53 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier
Where did I say that? I specifically said armed private citizens are the sheepdogs at home, meaning domestically. The military is the sheepdog against foreign threats.

Now, you could argue that the military, in the form of the militia, is a sheepdog at home as well. I would agree with that.

16 posted on 01/15/2013 12:26:44 AM PST by Ken H
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To: bicyclerepair

>> Miami: soon to be Florida’s Detroit. Avoid Miami/Dade county at all cost. The rest of my state is nice though.

Comments from one who grew up in Miami:

1/ Starting with the mass arrivals of Castro-era refugees in the ‘60s, Miami began changing, and not for the better. With the Mariel boatlift in 1980, it blossomed into the turd-world sh!thole it has become today. Crime, rudeness, drive-by shootings, political corruption, and traffic insanity are the norm. If you come, enjoy the white sandy beaches and the swaying palm trees, admire all the nouveau riche Pedro Palaces, but watch your back. Stay out of traffic; if not: Keep your windows rolled up. Don’t use your turn signals . Drive 20-30 MPH above the speed limit like the rest of us. Ignore horn blowing and rude gestures.

2/ From a fellow Miami-dwelling Freeper’s recent post: “Property means little to Hispanics because their society does not have the assurance of person and property, of presumption of innocence, etc. The Hispanic perspective on security of property can be measured in the long history of iron bars on all openings of their buildings. Contrary to Libtard propaganda, they know their cultures propensity for what Americans call theft.”

3/ Let’s not be too positive about Orlando - crime rates are skyrocketing. It will take another 20 years, but it’s on its way to becoming Miami, Jr.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 5:07:28 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: nickcarraway
Police said the suspect and another man fled the scene in a beige car.

Wow.

Good description of the guilty car.
There is a bit of information missing though. Nobody ever seems to see a very useful detail and important feature that would be very useful to the public and would help public safety. It is always missing from these newspaper descriptions of violent criminals.

18 posted on 01/15/2013 6:03:57 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Ken H
Which means he is not one of the helpless sheep, either. Not only is it BS, it is downright patronizing and arrogant for cops to present themselves as big sheepdog protecting helpless 'civilians'.

You misunderstand. I never said that there were only two types of people. I said the armed citizen is the sheepdog, along with the police all of whom must work together to preserve our society.

Obama has nothing to do with local or state police forces, that's self evident. But all of those groups have a duty of care by legislation to be the primary guardians of security. But they can't be everywhere and when they're not around or available it falls to the civilian sheepdogs to hold the line, until the cavalry can arrive to clean up the mess and take the reports. It matters not a whit what is the source of the creation of police forces, they are STILL charged with securing public safety as a primary force. They are the only people authorized to take pre-emptive action to arrest anybody. Sheepdogs can't do those kinds of things, nor should they. Unfortunately "the big sheepdog as cop" is an intrenched part of our society. It's the reason so many bad laws get passed that restrict our rights. It's one of the driving forces used against the people by would-be tyrants. But the image is there, nonetheless.

The military are sheepdogs and they are the only source for American sheepdogs off home soil, but they do not and can not operate alone. There has to be a civilian component to hold them to Constitutional standards. And they have to know that we won't be ridden over roughshod just because some politician makes a comment construed as an order, especially where it directly violates the U.S. Constitution!

19 posted on 01/15/2013 10:52:55 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier
Yes, you did say that the armed citizen is the sheepdog, but that's not what the article you linked to said. For example:

"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."

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It makes no mention of armed citizens. Just a bunch of patronizing, contemptuous BS.

20 posted on 01/15/2013 12:20:00 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H; Travis McGee; wardaddy; Squantos; Eaker; Godzilla; Joe Brower; MamaDearest; All
Read it again: Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

It doesn't say more are joining the military or graduating from the police academy here. Clearly the inference is to armed civilians.

How about this one: Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground. An even more clear reference to civilians being sheepdogs. These folks weren't even armed with firearms. That's because the power of the sheepdog is in the heart and soul of the individual.

In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision. Again the reference to personal choice but no limitations to the matter of employment or profession. So you can be a lawyer or a teacher or a housewife and still be 100% Sheepdog.

But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

A conscious and moral decision, not one bound by rules or regulations of a job.

And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself..."Baa." Here I think that use of the word "warrior" is meant in the same vein as a protestant who uses the term "catholic" church in lower case referring to a larger entity of Christians rather than Roman Catholicism and the Pope.

Finally: This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. A final reference that does not seem to submit that those being discussed are part of an organized or professional force either military or police. So, I think you're wrong. And I think your calling the essay contemptible is in itself, contemptible. Why can't you take it in the spirit in which it was offered? A spirit of unity in the face of hardship and danger?

21 posted on 01/15/2013 1:18:03 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

I interpret that to mean he considers 98% of the population as sheep. The facts are that ordinary citizens stand up and take care of business every day. Like that pistol-wielding old lady who went after 4 armed hoodies that tried to rob her jewelry store. Or the dozens of home invasions we read about every week where a homeowner kills an intruder. Americans have purchased 67M firearms in the last 4 years and exhausted the supply of some ammo. Americans are armed to the teeth!

Some sheep.

22 posted on 01/15/2013 3:00:54 PM PST by Ken H
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The facts are that ordinary citizens stand up and take care of business every day.

According to the LOTT study it's about 2,000,000 times per year. What is our population? 300,000,000? Sounds like the right proportions to me. Break it down by state, if you like and go further by breaking that down by the number of licensed ccw permits in the state. Fractions in comparison to the overall population, almost anecdotal.

23 posted on 01/16/2013 12:20:35 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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