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Donít Honk; Iím Deaf: RTA Launches ĎDeaf Driverí Initiative
Emirates 24/7 ^ | Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Posted on 01/16/2013 1:12:20 PM PST by nickcarraway

Campaign aims to educate motorists about hearing- impaired drivers

The Roads & Transport Authority (RTA) has launched the ‘Deaf Driver’ initiative to sensitise road users to deaf drivers and alert motorists to vehicles driven by people with hearing disabilities.

“The objective of the ‘Deaf Driver’ initiative is to educate drivers on how to deal with hearing-impaired persons and alert them that the driver in front is deaf,” said Maitha bin Udai, CEO of RTA Traffic & Roads Agency.

“We are therefore compiling a brochure on how to deal with personnel suffering hearing loss. We are also designing a poster to be fixed to vehicles driven by individuals with hearing disability. Readers of this poster will be aware that the driver is deaf and will not respond to alarm sounds made by other motorists,” she said.

Maitha recollected the initiative launched by the Traffic & Roads Agency about hearing-impaired personnel two years ago in collaboration with the Ministry of Social Affairs and the Ministry of Education encompassing an educative bulletin written in Braille distributed to blind students who were integrated in schools.

It also included lectures in sign language for the deaf community members in addition to several visits by traffic awareness teams to autism centres and schools dedicated to children with special needs.

“The aim of the initiative is to educate the public that deaf drivers can drive vehicles like other motorists, but their focus on the road hinges on visual and kinetic perception rather than the sense of hearing. Therefore, dealing with deaf drivers on roads has to be through optical signs,” she said.

“Deaf drivers can’t hear horns by other vehicles or sirens of ambulance, police and civil defence vehicles. They also have difficulty in communicating with others as the hearing impaired person depends on lip movements and hand signs, hence it is important to communicate with deaf drivers through the body language coupled with hand movements,” said Maitha.


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1 posted on 01/16/2013 1:12:21 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I guess if you see one of those stickers on a car, your only option is to give ‘em the finger. ;)


2 posted on 01/16/2013 1:16:04 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free." - Mike Muir)
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t honk! I’m wearing headphones and can’t hear anything over my tunes.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 1:17:26 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: nickcarraway

I’m all for this. And while we’re at it, let’s do something for the blind drivers as well.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 1:18:57 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob
I’m all for this. And while we’re at it, let’s do something for the blind drivers as well.

I am Deaf and you just made an ignorant comment there.

5 posted on 01/16/2013 1:24:11 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: BipolarBob

“I’m all for this. And while we’re at it, let’s do something for the blind drivers as well.”

License the dogs?


6 posted on 01/16/2013 1:25:04 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"I am Deaf and you just made an ignorant comment there."

Really? Who is discriminating now? Why should the blind not drive especially when we already have the tech that makes it possible...

I'm all for it AND I have a stake in this as well being the male side of my dad's family have mostly went blind in their old age. Besides I hate to sit there and go through the mundane process of guiding a car. The day can't get here fast enough for me wherein cars can guide themselves to at least near a destination without humans actively controlling the vehicle.

Its the least society can do after promising me in my youth flying cars and traveling to the Moon and Mars for vacations. ;-)

7 posted on 01/16/2013 1:33:31 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m also deaf and you are right...that was not a nice comment...

I’m am also bi lateral cochlear implant so I do hear with a hearing device attached to the side of my skull, just like Rush Limbaugh, although Rush has just one implant..


8 posted on 01/16/2013 1:34:33 PM PST by haircutter
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To: Mad Dawgg

Deafness and being blind are completely the oppposite. However, I do agree that it would be awesome to have a flying car that sort of just guides you along. If cars can park themselves, then the next step is the blindness car.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 1:35:55 PM PST by merry10
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To: haircutter; MinorityRepublican

So, my 20 year old daughter is Deaf and I’m teaching her how to drive. She is a good driver, very careful and meticulous. I know, intellectually, she is doing everything her sisters did, and often better, but it makes me very nervous. She’s a whiz at the parallel parking. I found an Army vet in Harrisburg, PA who gave her lessons as he likes to work with people who use different languages. He had confidence in her and taught her just by pointing (she is an ASL user). She had a good foundation with me, and he helped further that along. She should be getting her license this summer after she returns home from NTID. She is definitely ready.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 1:39:14 PM PST by merry10
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To: nickcarraway

Given current technology, deafness could be eliminated in the next generation. What us stopping it? The DEAF COMMUNITY!!

They enjoy being an exclusive “culture” and getting TONS of taxpayer-provided benefits for life.

My sister is a very experienced interpreter and I have had this same discussion many times:

Me: What if we could wave a wand and all deaf people could hear? What if we eliminated deafness forever?

Answer: That would be terrible.

Me: Why?

Answer: Because deafness isn’t a bad thing. We are not “broken” and don’t need fixing.

Me: WT..H....?

How can anyone respond to that except by running them over from behind while honking the horn just to prove how “broken” they are. Which is my inevitable feeling after one of these conversations.

My sister says I am prejudiced. Look at your phone bill and tell me how prejudiced I am.

BTW: The deaf get 100% subsidized unlimited access to online interpreters (from smart phone to voice) at $65 a MINUTE!


11 posted on 01/16/2013 1:40:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>I am Deaf and you just made an ignorant comment there. <<

Reply to my #11 — I dare you.

And when that fire engine is 45 degrees from you on their way to an emergency go ahead and t-bone them. 5 dead firemen + n people they were going to rescue. I mean, anything is better that “prejudice.”

And I have driven with the deaf many many times and it scared the HELL out of me (now I just wont do it). You’all love to “TALK” and drive — who needs hands to hold a steering wheel anyway?


12 posted on 01/16/2013 1:44:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks for wanting to run over my daughter. That is what I made sense out of your ridiculous ramblings. There are plenty of kids whose parents try the implant route. Do you know the implants fail? Skin and tissue around the implant erode. This is rare, but it happens. And all the deaf people I know want to work. In fact, I bet there are a few right here at FR who work, and who vote republican.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 1:53:42 PM PST by merry10
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks for wanting to run over my daughter. That is what I made sense out of your ridiculous ramblings. There are plenty of kids whose parents try the implant route. Do you know the implants fail? Skin and tissue around the implant erode. This is rare, but it happens. And all the deaf people I know want to work. In fact, I bet there are a few right here at FR who work, and who vote republican.


14 posted on 01/16/2013 1:53:42 PM PST by merry10
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To: freedumb2003

talk and drive, again - a stupid comment. Are you saying that hearing people don’t do stupid things on the road? I once saw a lady pluck hairs from her chin, talk on the phone and light a cigarette all while driving. A few months ago, a woman was yakking on her phone and driving and smoking. We were the first to arrive at the red light. I decided to take her offsides thinking she’d notice that she had the red light. She didn’t and just kept going. I wont’ even talk about people texting and driving at the same time.
Finally, when did any deaf people kill, maim or injure any firemen? That would be an interesting story and I would love to read it.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 1:58:51 PM PST by merry10
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To: freedumb2003

talk and drive, again - a stupid comment. Are you saying that hearing people don’t do stupid things on the road? I once saw a lady pluck hairs from her chin, talk on the phone and light a cigarette all while driving. A few months ago, a woman was yakking on her phone and driving and smoking. We were the first to arrive at the red light. I decided to take her offsides thinking she’d notice that she had the red light. She didn’t and just kept going. I wont’ even talk about people texting and driving at the same time.
Finally, when did any deaf people kill, maim or injure any firemen? That would be an interesting story and I would love to read it.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 1:59:02 PM PST by merry10
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To: nickcarraway
I'm not deaf—yet—but have lost a great deal of hearing over the years, and have several generations of ancestors who've ended up deaf or nearly so. It's a bother when conversing people; it's also one of the reasons I keep the radio off and my eyes in constant motion while driving.

If there were a sticker I could put on the back bumper of my car to let other people, (and law enforcement officers in particular,) know I don't hear well, I'd be glad to give it a try.

17 posted on 01/16/2013 2:05:06 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: merry10; freedumb2003

I do not have statistics to back me up, but Deaf people are usually better drivers than hearing people because Deaf drivers are always constantly scanning the road and using the mirrors. A hearing driver would typically look ahead and miss out on road hazards that a Deaf driver would immediately spot. Not saying that all of this is 100% accurate but this is common knowledge, and freedumb2003, you might want to ask your sister whether this assumption that I made is accurate or not.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 2:08:13 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: freedumb2003
My sister says I am prejudiced.

Your sister is right! LOL!

19 posted on 01/16/2013 2:39:57 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: merry10

>>Thanks for wanting to run over my daughter. That is what I made sense out of your ridiculous ramblings. There are plenty of kids whose parents try the implant route. Do you know the implants fail? Skin and tissue around the implant erode. This is rare, but it happens. And all the deaf people I know want to work. In fact, I bet there are a few right here at FR who work, and who vote republican.<<

So, you are OK with eliminating deafness? You see it as a problem that should be soon solved?

Then you are NOT part of the deaf community — which probably explains why you are Conservative. I don’t want to run over your daughter if she doesn’t see deafness as a problem. My frustration and anger are for the bulk of the deaf community who wish to perpetuate it — and the goodies that go with it.

Please, make sure you write a check for the $65 a minute each time she calls you using the service I described. And please refund to me the huge part of my phone and cell bill to subsidize all the goodies (I don’t pay a tax on my TV for the blind).

Being a Conservative is to stay in Realsville. You need ALL senses to drive. The blind analogy 100% holds (and has not been logically refuted).


20 posted on 01/16/2013 3:08:49 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>I do not have statistics to back me up, but Deaf people are usually better drivers than hearing people because Deaf drivers are always constantly scanning the road and using the mirrors. A hearing driver would typically look ahead and miss out on road hazards that a Deaf driver would immediately spot. Not saying that all of this is 100% accurate but this is common knowledge, and freedumb2003, you might want to ask your sister whether this assumption that I made is accurate or not.<<<

You should have stopped you post after the 1st sentence. It takes ALL senses to drive. Period. You can’t wish it away with hand-waving.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 3:10:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: merry10

>>talk and drive, again - a stupid comment. Are you saying that hearing people don’t do stupid things on the road? <<

The difference is a person, say ME for example, can concentrate on the road (I refuse to answer cell phone calls or use the damn thing while driving).

No amount of work will allow a profoundly deaf (of course I know the degrees) person to hear anything outside of the line of sight.

My example is that I can talk and drive (look at the research, it is a different part of the brain). Deaf people WHOM I HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR WITH WHILE DRIVING cannot physically do the same.

Please read the entirety of my post, which has not even been CLOSE to refuted.


22 posted on 01/16/2013 3:14:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>Your sister is right! LOL!<<

You betcher bippy! Deaf people who want to perpetuate deafness (remember I said in a generation, not now) are warts on the butt of the body politic.

Driving deaf is the same as driving blind. People with all senses needed to drive can DECIDE to drive with the proper alertness. Deaf people, just like blind people, cannot WILL themselves to perceive important data.

BTW: People who drive while using their cell phones have decided they can also overcome biology and are as dangerous as drunk drivers. But they can DECIDE not to do so.

I note how many of my points you ignored (pretty much all of them). Like my sister, you wave them away with pure emotion.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 3:19:40 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m not Deaf but I do have severe tinnitus. It probably won’t be the last ignorant comment I make here. Thanks for your response.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 3:23:39 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: freedumb2003
Driving deaf is the same as driving blind. People with all senses needed to drive can DECIDE to drive with the proper alertness. Deaf people, just like blind people, cannot WILL themselves to perceive important data.

All right then. Do you have evidence? Enlighten me please. Preferably a link to medical journal would be nice.

25 posted on 01/16/2013 3:33:08 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: freedumb2003
You should have stopped you post after the 1st sentence. It takes ALL senses to drive. Period. You can’t wish it away with hand-waving.

Oh really? Then why in all 50 states, Deaf people are allowed to drive? If we were such terrible drivers, wouldn't we be removed from the roads by now? Again, there is no evidence to support your accusation.

26 posted on 01/16/2013 3:35:53 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>Oh really? Then why in all 50 states, Deaf people are allowed to drive?<<

The same reason as there are movements in so many places with gun-grabbing legislation underway and illegal aliens can picket in pubic — LOBBYING!

Do I really need to AGAIN spell out the important data that sound imparts? Outside the line of sight?

I looked and the few studies done that show deaf drivers are bad do so much Politically Correct backtracking that they are useless. Like AGW.

Now, please address the substantive issues I brought up:

1) Should deafness be eliminated if scientifically possible?
2) Why am I taxed specially for the deaf?
3) Why do the deaf continue to choose to be deaf if there are possible solutions?
4) Do you pay personally for the supports you get from my tax dollars?
5) Do you pay extra taxes for other disabilities? Drivers for the blind?
6) What is the difference between blind driving and deaf driving? Each subtracts an essential sense needed for the activity.


27 posted on 01/16/2013 3:52:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: BipolarBob

“I’m all for this. And while we’re at it, let’s do something for the blind drivers as well.”

I have a blind friend, and while he did manage to learn to ride a bicycle around his neighborhood when he was in grammer school - learning how to use echo-location on his own, he knows he cannot unaided drive a car, but he is counting on Google’s driverless car technology to scale that obstacle for him before he dies.

Of course the arrogant geeks at Google want very much for all cars to HAVE TO use their technology someday. For me I have no desire to ever use that technology - ever. Why would I??? I always prefer to NOT be the passenger now!!!

As to the deaf drivers, somewhere is a Liberal politician whose been waiting for this article so they can use it as “grist for the mill” and pull out proposed legislation that all car horns be connected to some sort of light on the car, signaling to the deaf when the horn is being honked. Of course so as to not confuse the “horn light” with any other use of lights on the car, and to make it most visible from any direction, it will demand a center-of-the-roof location for the “horn light”. Tell the car designers to start redoing their “aerodynamic” tests.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 3:57:27 PM PST by Wuli (uire)
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To: freedumb2003

“Because deafness isn’t a bad thing. We are not “broken” and don’t need fixing.”

I can vouch for this attitude being pervasive in the deaf “community”. I found this to be the case shortly after going deaf myself many years ago. It is sad because it really does stand in the way of many more people being “cured” than may be the current case. You are right on this point.

As far as your ramblings about running over deaf people and letting blind people drive, I think your sibling vendetta against your sister is getting the better of you. Taking your anger with your sister out on innocent deaf people is not prejudice, but pretty over-the-top statement-wise and does not help you prove your point.

As far as deaf people t-boning fire engines, can you tell us how many times this happens each year? I’m very curious. Can you point to any data that shows deaf people are involved in more accidents BECAUSE of their deafness? I’d like to see that.


29 posted on 01/16/2013 4:05:24 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: BipolarBob

>>I’m not Deaf but I do have severe tinnitus. It probably won’t be the last ignorant comment I make here. Thanks for your response.<<

As long as they can feed at the public trough, so-called “Conservative” impaired people will use emotion as a club. Let’s cut the subsidies and we will see how “Conservative” they are.

And let’s ask for objective studies (the last ones were in the 1970s or so) — THEN see the yelling start.

Think about that: No objective studies since the 1970s. And those were challenged in the reports themselves as “flawed” — NONE that I can find studying profoundly deaf — meaning there are NO objective studies at all! (http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/hearing2.pdf and http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/hearing4.pdf)

It always helps to have a good lobby.

I figure I am going to get all us short white guys to change the NBA rules to lower the baskets and tie anyone taller than 5’6” to have to use one arm and one leg. If we can get our lobby large and sympathetic enough we should stand a good chance.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 4:05:24 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Mad Dawgg; MinorityRepublican; merry10

Google has a driverless car. I’ve passed by it a few times on Highway 85. There was a person sitting in the driver’s seat, but he wasn’t driving.


31 posted on 01/16/2013 4:06:16 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: merry10

I think it is possible for

the entire universe of the hearing-impaired plus their organizations, plus the non-profits that offer support for them, plus linkages from them all to the technology communities

to develop an instrument/device or a group of instruments/devices that hearing-impaired drivers could obtain for their vehicles that could (a) filter and identify sounds to the point of (b) identifying a “honk” and the direction it is coming from

then it would be up to the marketplace, and non-profit assistance where needed, to make the devices available

if that is not already in whole or in part being looked at


32 posted on 01/16/2013 4:07:54 PM PST by Wuli (uire)
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To: Owl558

>>As far as deaf people t-boning fire engines, can you tell us how many times this happens each year? I’m very curious. Can you point to any data that shows deaf people are involved in more accidents BECAUSE of their deafness? I’d like to see that.<<

See my post 30 — there have been no studies AT ALL! Now reread the article that started this thread. It says the hearing must now take EXTRA MEASURES to accommodate the hearing impaired (note that profound deafness is deftly ignored).

I am sorry you went deaf. Someday I shall be old and no longer able to drive. I am ready for that day. I won’t have to kill 10 people on a street before coming to that conclusion (also a lobby that lets old people continue to drive without even re-checking their eyesight).

It has nothing to do with my sister, whom I love, but is my favorite sister (in a big family — don’t tell the rest they’ll get jealous). It has to do with the blindness about deafness. And how much it costs us in dollars (and I posit: lives) to turn a deaf ear to it.

Let me turn it around — are you saying that if you had a fire engine running the red with full sirens and you were proceeding with a green light you would notice it in the 20 or 30 seconds a hearing driver would know to slow and pull over? Or hope you will catch the flash of the lights in the 1/1000 a second to take appropriate action as it runs the red?


33 posted on 01/16/2013 4:15:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Owl558
As far as deaf people t-boning fire engines, can you tell us how many times this happens each year? I’m very curious. Can you point to any data that shows deaf people are involved in more accidents BECAUSE of their deafness? I’d like to see that.

A quick google search doesn't show anything. Anyway, here's a good article

In fact, people with long-standing, severe hearing losses are some of the safest drivers around. One of the reasons for this is that we have to rely almost entirely on our eyes. After all, driving is a visual activity, more than it is an aural experience. Sure, we seldom hear horns honking, but when you are visually alert, you have already seen the problem looming before some driver lays on his horn.

34 posted on 01/16/2013 4:17:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: nickcarraway; Mad Dawgg; MinorityRepublican; merry10

>>Google has a driverless car. I’ve passed by it a few times on Highway 85. There was a person sitting in the driver’s seat, but he wasn’t driving.<<

If technology lets deaf people be driven about safely I AM THERE!! As I said upthread, I shall eventually get old and unable to drive (around 112 or so but still...). That is what technology is SUPPOSED TO DO! Make life better! Coclear implants are getting better — eventually they will be perfect. USE ‘EM! Prosthetics have become amazing! USE ‘EM!!!

If I am a good man, by the time I fail that annual test after I am, let’s say 70 (which won’t happen and there will be no studies to support people of a certain age tend to be unsafe) there will be a car to drive me home (hell YES I will name it “Jeeves”).

Also within a generation.


35 posted on 01/16/2013 4:21:14 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: freedumb2003
See my post 30 — there have been no studies AT ALL! Now reread the article that started this thread. It says the hearing must now take EXTRA MEASURES to accommodate the hearing impaired (note that profound deafness is deftly ignored).

I think you've found your calling. What's stopping you from doing something about it?

36 posted on 01/16/2013 4:21:33 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: freedumb2003; Mad Dawgg; MinorityRepublican; merry10

If I’d known how devisive this would be, I never would have posted it. Can’t we all just get along?


37 posted on 01/16/2013 4:24:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>A quick google search doesn’t show anything. Anyway, here’s a good article<<

Other than an anecdote that is MUCH less reliable than my very specific example, the opinion of a “hard of hearing” site blog is as useful as an article about obozo on KOS or DU.

Your own research (I did more than you did) reveals what I said — the only tests were done in the 1960s and 1970s, did not deal with profoundly deaf drivers, indicated a higher rate of accidents for hearing impaired but the reports of those reports discredited the methodology. Meaning there are NO reports at all!

Which leaves us with: science and physics. 30 seconds to respond to a critical audio cue or 1/1000 seconds to see an askance visual clue. What does SCIENCE tell you? I will help you with some basics: F=ma. m=delta t over delta s. m=2 tons. Solve for s for delta t being 1:30 and delta t being 1:.0001. You don’t have to show your work.


38 posted on 01/16/2013 4:29:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: MinorityRepublican; BipolarBob; merry10; freedumb2003
I am Deaf and you just made an ignorant comment there.

My father is dead so don't you sons of bitches EVER make a comment of any kind about fathers.

Do you understand me?

Not ONE comment!

39 posted on 01/16/2013 4:30:26 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. ¬ó Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: nickcarraway

40 posted on 01/16/2013 4:33:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>I think you’ve found your calling. What’s stopping you from doing something about it? <<

Look at the recent cell phone use studies that make a direct correlation between cell phone use and impaired driving.

People who didn’t like the results (very objective) just yelled louder and buried the studies. Even here I have had people who stared the PROVEN science down and said (basically) “No one can tell me I can’t use a cell phone and drive — I am smarter than everyone” which is the same as saying “No one can tell me I can’t drink and drive — I am smarter than every one.”

While we have deaf people who think it is necessary for other people to compensate for their inability to drive (again, read the article that says exactly that) then it is a lost cause.

Still waiting on answers to the pointed questions.


41 posted on 01/16/2013 4:34:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: nickcarraway

>>If I’d known how devisive this would be, I never would have posted it. Can’t we all just get along?<<

Aw, we all secretly miss the old Ron Paul thread days, don’t we?

And I haven’t called anyone anything (except maybe my favorite sister).

But I would like to know what streets and routes to avoid anyway :)


42 posted on 01/16/2013 4:36:36 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Eaker
My father is dead so don't you sons of bitches EVER make a comment of any kind about fathers.

He said DEAF not DEAD!! And RESOURCES not RACEHOURSES! *mumbles* do we have to tell Eaker again we are playing Gin not Crazy 8s?

43 posted on 01/16/2013 4:39:45 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Eaker; MinorityRepublican; BipolarBob; merry10

Trust me, NONE of you want to be playing Eucre with Eaker. It is like pissing in a mirror fun house corner...

:))))


44 posted on 01/16/2013 4:42:26 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: freedumb2003
do we have to tell Eaker again we are playing Gin not Crazy 8s?

Well?

I'll ask you again, "Got any threes?"

45 posted on 01/16/2013 4:45:29 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. ¬ó Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Rodney King was obviously a troubled man, but he was not without his wisdom.


46 posted on 01/16/2013 4:46:39 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: freedumb2003

“...there have been no studies AT ALL!”

Speaking for myself only, I will generally see the lights and pull over for the emergency vehicle before the other drivers around me, whom I assume are hearing. I believe that I am a better driver now (less tickets anyway) than I was before I went deaf because I know I am impaired. I drive slower, pay far better attention, and don’t have cell phone or radio distractions.

“It has to do with the blindness about deafness.”

Great line and completely correct in my experience. Advocates in the deaf community have a vested interest in keeping the deaf that way. Your sister is misguided.


47 posted on 01/16/2013 4:47:08 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: freedumb2003
I figure I am going to get all us short white guys to change the NBA rules

It's kind of funny. When I was in school is was okay to make fun of us short people but you weren't allowed to make fun of the fat kids because to quote...........

They can't help it that they are fat.

Most ridiculous thing I ever saw is the adults, usually over weight themselves molly coddling the fat asses because they can't put their spoon down and we short people merely needed to change our DNA.

48 posted on 01/16/2013 4:51:57 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. ¬ó Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Eaker

>>I’ll ask you again, “Got any threes?”<<

GIN!

(why did someone ALWAYS have Gin after one card on TV????)


49 posted on 01/16/2013 4:53:18 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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>>It’s kind of funny. When I was in school is was okay to make fun of us short people but you weren’t allowed to make fun of the fat kids because to quote...........<<

That used to drive me NUTS! “If I am A I can become B. But if I am (race/fat/etc) I am that no matter what I do.”

And me — shortest in the class by far until High School when I shot up 2 whole inches to become ONE of the shortest — saying “I am short — what the HECK am I supposed to do to get taller?” And that was even when we had them Ohio Players Platforms!


50 posted on 01/16/2013 4:58:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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