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Authorities ID man killed in N. Mankato standoff (Minnesota)
southernminn.com ^ | Jan 18, 2013 | AP

Posted on 01/19/2013 3:05:26 PM PST by generally

NORTH MANKATO, Minn. (AP) — Authorities say police fatally shot an 83-year-old North Mankato man after he fired at officers following a three-hour standoff.

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The police were called to check up on the man. He refused to speak to them so they deployed a Tactical Response (SWAT?) Team.

Something smells. Government overreach.

1 posted on 01/19/2013 3:05:36 PM PST by generally
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To: generally

I have a strong feeling we WON”T get the undeniable truth of this incident.

And many more in the near future.


2 posted on 01/19/2013 3:14:28 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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Something smells. Government overreach.

Or,perhaps,an old guy with serious neuropsychiatric issues who found himself being "threatened" (in his diseased brain) by police.Old folks often have health issues,including brain issues.Check the dead guy's health profile before accusing the cops.

3 posted on 01/19/2013 3:18:37 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: generally

That guy hijacked my retirement plan!


4 posted on 01/19/2013 3:18:37 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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So... If the cops had left him alone he’d still be alive?

Does this sound “right” to anyone?

If so, i’d really like to hear your justification...


5 posted on 01/19/2013 3:26:43 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: generally

People keep making this same error time and time again.

Though sometimes police can do the “social worker” bit, that is not their primary job, which is to be armed enforcers of what the public as a whole wants, to help keep order. And to continue the pursuit of those who commit crime after the fact. And some limited emergency services that firemen do not do, or have not arrived yet.

But foolish people call the police because their child is being obstinate, or a retarded adult is being a problem again, or an elderly relative is being problematic, etc. And this results far too often in people, even children, being arrested and terrified, and adults and the elderly injured or killed.

It also gets family dogs shot, because police do not want to mess with dogs at all.

So when things like this happen to people, the finger of blame goes to them, first. They got more than they bargained for, or wanted, because they called the wrong people to deal with a minor problem.


6 posted on 01/19/2013 3:31:55 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Cops keep this up, and gov keeps covering for them, in the future the only place they can have a meal break is back at police barracks. Eat in a public diner, someone who lost their family to them will walk up and waste them at the diner booth, leave and no one in the diner saw anything. In such a civilian uprising cops cannot hide (they wear uniforms and drive marked cars) while the rebels wear civilian clothes. Not a pretty picture. This is how popular uprising occur. Read about it in Third World nation how people fed up will react. Because we have a high standard of living, possess iPods, Smart Phones and etc does not mean we are immune to abuse. Outlaw guns, rebels will use IED. Don’t think they are effective, after 10 years of IED the strongest military in the world wants to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Cops are nowhere’s tough as our military.


7 posted on 01/19/2013 3:45:09 PM PST by Fee
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Is this the opening shot against nanny-state intruding?

I think we’ll see more of this sort of a reaction against the ‘authorities’ (what a Gestapo and KGB sounding term) sticking their noses into everyone’s business.

BTW, I hope his family members are pleased with the out come of their ‘intervention’.


8 posted on 01/19/2013 3:47:01 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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***The police were called to check up on the man. He refused to speak to them so they deployed a Tactical Response (SWAT?) Team. ****

Officer 1: Sir; we have an old man not responding!

Officer 2: Well, shoot him a few times and check again!


9 posted on 01/19/2013 4:00:26 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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“A family member had asked police Wednesday to check on Tschohl, but he refused to speak with officers.”

Sounds like it was determined he was ok.

“On Thursday, family members again contacted police, saying Tschohl had *weapons* in his home.


10 posted on 01/19/2013 4:06:55 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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“Something smells. Government overreach. “

Glad I’m not a cop. No matter what happens; they will always be accused of doing something wrong.
They have a lot of crap to deal with.


11 posted on 01/19/2013 6:05:12 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Lawyers have caused thousands of times more destruction to our nation than have guns)
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Maybe he should not have started shooting at the police. Just sayin’


12 posted on 01/19/2013 6:26:26 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So when things like this happen to people, the finger of blame goes to them, first. They got more than they bargained for, or wanted, because they called the wrong people to deal with a minor problem.

Or maybe they are just old enough to remember when one could call the police for assistance without worrying about the whole place getting all shot up.

13 posted on 01/19/2013 6:28:07 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: generally

Just plain FED UP?
Just wanted to be left alone?
Had enough?

Maybe ‘Suicide by Cop’?

Wouldn’t be the first time.


14 posted on 01/19/2013 6:30:14 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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I will say that he did end up shooting at them, still, perhaps another approach short of holding the old guy under siege might have had a different outcome. This reminds me of the old guy sometime back that just put a sign on his door that said “leave me alone” or something to that effect. Well, they didn’t leave him alone like he had asked, they killed him instead.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 6:50:55 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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The big change happened in the 1970s, when using the excuse of some police assassinations, the federal government encouraged police nationwide to discontinue using “Old West rules”, and adopt “SWAT rules”.

This means things like, assume ambush at traffic stops, brandish gun frequently, it is essential to assert control in all situations ASAP, etc. The end result is more cops getting killed, often with their own guns.


16 posted on 01/19/2013 6:59:43 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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So, here we go then. When the knock comes on your door to take your guns...What will you do? What will I do? Hell, I don’t have a clue. I’ll tell you this. I gave up my weapon one time. At least I’m still here. At what cost? Laying down for a bunch of Jack booted thugs to take you to jail, strip search you, put an orange jump suit on you, throw you in a cell on a plastic mattress on the floor, make you post bail, get your car outta impound....etc etc. takes a lot out of a guy. Listen to cops tell lies in court, prosecutor who has no idea what he is talking about call you a lier and a criminal, having a cop show up in court who you have never seen show up and say he arrested you....Hell, sometimes it seems like death would be easier and less demeaning anyway. Getting your weapon back and telling the actual arresting cop to kiss your ass..priceless


17 posted on 01/19/2013 7:16:13 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
That big change with all it's federal handouts of military gear has caused every little county and burg in the country to set up SSWAT teams of trigger happy Barney Fifes who then, all stoked up on adrenaline, go to what could be the simplest nonviolent bust in the world and blow everything and everyone to bits.

Taking the paramilitary nonsense out of our police forces would go a long ways towards restoring the respect that they once enjoyed.

18 posted on 01/19/2013 8:09:56 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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Of course the real lesson here is “Never call the police”. No good will come of it. It has been a long time since the days when the police were there to “Protect and serve”. The relatives called the cops. What did they think was going to happen?


19 posted on 01/19/2013 8:28:48 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Or,perhaps,an old guy with serious neuropsychiatric issues who found himself being "threatened" (in his diseased brain) by police.Old folks often have health issues,including brain issues.Check the dead guy's health profile before accusing the cops.

One might beg the answer to the question of why they couldn't wait such a person as your describe out instead of putting holes in him...Hell, they give really bad guys more time than this.

20 posted on 01/20/2013 3:34:42 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Colorado Doug

The feds enabled it from top to bottom, and not just with equipment, but encouragement, training, etc. At the grand level, it was a response to terrorist groups like the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, and others. The idea to turn police into paramilitaries.

A big element was that at the state level, the feds wanted police to have military-type standards of physical fitness, and some degree of aggression training. Its legal background was the RICO Act of 1970.

It very rapidly turned into a “Corruption Act”, at its peak “arresting” some $6b in property, annually, and giving a 10% cut ($600m) to local police, just because it was on their turf, even if they had no involvement. And to get the property back would cost its owner about $100k in superior court, which usually meant that it was not worth it to even try.

This, in effect, subsidized local police departments to buy any kind of military or police equipment they wanted, which is why the front cab of most police cars today has more screens and equipment than a high performance jet.

One of the really ugly side effects of paramilitarizing police has been the lure of steroid abuse, which has a powerful lure for police who have bought into the notion of job aggression, even though in the vast majority of what they do, aggression is not a good thing.


21 posted on 01/20/2013 5:47:41 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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One might beg the answer to the question of why they couldn't wait such a person as your describe out instead of putting holes in him...

OK,that's a fair response.But when the guy starts shooting all bets are off IMO.It sounds as if the family might have had good reason to be concerned about him (again,age...health profile).Perhaps *they* should have checked on him rather than call the cops.Even if he was "far gone" mentally he probably wouldn't have felt threatened by a family member.I worked in a hospital ER for years.I dealt with many a person with serious psych disorders,including paranoia.Some of those people were elderly.It's a sad,sad situation...particularly when it's an older person.

22 posted on 01/20/2013 6:18:12 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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“It sounds as if the family might have had good reason to be concerned about him”

Well, they don’t have to be concerned about him now then, do they? When the cops come to your door to take your weapons, don’t you think the little blurb in the paper will sound something like this story? I mean, this is an 83 yo man who, as far as I can tell, wasn’t bothering a soul. And the cops were told he had weapons. And then the SWAT team was called. For what?????? And maybe this 83 yo man decided he had just had enough. “I’m not bothering anyone leave me alone.” And if there is one thing I know, and you better listen, the Police are not just going to “leave you alone”

If it ever comes to the time when our guns are being confiscated, then this is what the story will be.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 2:08:03 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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