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Gun Confiscation -- Guns For My Neighbors
Gun Confiscation ^ | January 17, 2013 | Phil Burns

Posted on 01/19/2013 3:59:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In a fortuitous Shot Show meeting in the Press Room, I had an excellent conversation with Robert Farago, publisher of “The Truth About Guns”, he proposed an interesting idea from an East Coast perspective:

“If a storm rolls through my area and things get bad enough that looters are a serious risk, my neighbors not only do not have the skills to protect our neighborhood – they don’t have the tools.”

Storing food specifically for neighbors who do not prepare is something we already advise and teach – the idea of storing firearms that your neighbors can use to help defend your neighborhood is a new perspective for me (of course, in my neighborhood, everyone has an envious arsenal).

So, what parameters need to be considered with this idea? Consider that these neighbors likely know nothing about firearms, potentially have never shot or even held a firearm and certainly may have no training at all. How can you incorporate all that into a plan to be able to relatively safely hand out firearms to your neighbors to man a line to keep looters out?

Robert’s suggestions include a revolver so they don’t have to figure out how to load magazines or anything complicated and a heavy trigger pull so they don’t accidentally discharge their weapon. For longer range work he proposes a lever-action .22 with a tube feeder. This will allow them to utilize the firearms easily with minimal instruction and basically turn it into a point and shoot experience.

Many of you will share his perspective of having such inexperienced neighbors, fortunately I don’t have any experience with that viewpoint to really expand on the situation other than stories I’ve heard/read...

(Excerpt) Read more at gunconfiscation.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; preppers; riots; secondamendment; shtf
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1 posted on 01/19/2013 4:00:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've heard of guys stocking up on Mosin Nagants for just such a scenario.

Of course that was back when they were $90 a copy. Now I see there are even shortages of Mosins and they are selling for much more.

(Heck, I stopped by the local Gander Mountain today and they didn't even have any .22 ammo. None. Nada. Zilch. Absolutely nothing.)

2 posted on 01/19/2013 4:07:55 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually, that is part of my plan, so to speak. I have a few 22’s and such. I figured inexperienced people could use them to assist and they pose less a risk in being turned on me.


3 posted on 01/19/2013 4:11:08 PM PST by midcop402
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t even imagine a neighbor who not only hasn’t prepared but has no protection for their family. My obligation is to inform them to prepare and defend themselves. Thinking I need to store food for them and supply a weapon for them is liberalism and not what I’m about. I’ll help those who tried to help themselves and band together but keep the socialistic attitude out of my preps and planning.


4 posted on 01/19/2013 4:12:09 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a number of guns that I have picked up potentially for this purpose. Some police trade in beater Smith Model 10’s, and a few elderly 16 gauge pumpguns. (Why 16? When the first “ammo panic” hit, I bought up every 16 gauge buckshot and slug round in town, some had been on the shelves so long that they were priced $1.99 a box. Also, if these folks get overrun, the relative weirdness of the ammo is a real bottleneck to the guns being turned against others)


5 posted on 01/19/2013 4:16:36 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: 2111USMC

We bought enough Mosin’s for us, three. Got ‘em when they were $100 bucks a copy for the hex receiver model and a tin of 450 rounds was $89. You can set up the family pretty good for around $500 and three trained shooteers firing Mosin-Nagant rifles is nothing to be trifled with.


6 posted on 01/19/2013 4:17:59 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: CynicalBear
Sharing with friends and neighbors is liberalism or socialism? No wonder we're losing. I'm lucky to have a pistol I got off a friend for $1 (I used to use it to work for him as a security officer) but if not for that I'd have nothing. We have a tough time buying MEAT and paying RENT much less purchasing ammunition and freeze-dried meals for an emergency. In this economy, I know we're not alone. Thanks for equating me with a welfare queen.
7 posted on 01/19/2013 4:18:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>> Sharing with friends and neighbors is liberalism or socialism?<<

Whoa there. Who said anything about not sharing? Did you read my post? If you had you would have seen that I share with those “who attempt to help themselves”. The article speaks of people who have done nothing. If you want to join the big O with his “share the wealth” concepts go right ahead. I’m not there.

Then you go into the reason you see as not being able to prep. Did you try? Are you trying? Here’s a quote from my post. “I’ll help those who tried to help themselves”. Let that sink in for a minute then re-read your post and see if I insinuated you were “equated with a welfare queen”.

Now on the other hand if you are not trying and aren’t trying let the chips fall.

BTW I had polio when I was 2 years old and now have what they call post polio syndrome which makes it nearly impossible to walk. I still have never taken any welfare, assistance, or government help of any kind. I have always owned my own business and retired at the age of 60 in ’99 and am now living on two acres that I grow and produce all of our vegetables, meat, milk, and eggs. I’m building a methane digester to run a generator that we can produce all of our own electric. I do it all without being able to use my legs or be on my feet. Understand that I am unlikely to listen long to rivers of tears.

8 posted on 01/19/2013 4:33:17 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not too sure about sharing with neighbors who lack foresight or firearms skills.Anyway, all of our neighbors are armed.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 4:36:11 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: CynicalBear

Sorry to hear that. I’m a disabled veteran with severe heart disese, diabetes, edema, p.a.d., apnea, hypertension, etc., etc. If I could work I wouldn’t have these issues.


10 posted on 01/19/2013 4:38:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I hear ya. My wife has heart problems and asthma. That shouldn’t stop you. I empathize but I say this with a smile on my face remembering what my dad said to me. “do what you can”. There is a lot of stuff in that small phrase. I’ve used that on myself my whole life. I have short stools, tall stools and extra layers of cloth sewn on the rear of my work pants. I used to do gardening on my arse. I would drag myself backwards between the rows with my legs trailing. I now have a greenhouse we built that I can take my electric chair in and have aquaponics systems set up. We grow Tilapia in the tanks and veggies above.

You can do more than you think. Use your imagination and if you need any suggestion holler. I’ve been there and done that.

11 posted on 01/19/2013 5:00:05 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a great idea...

Unfortunately, I don’t have any guns anymore...

I already sold all my guns for $10 apiece, to a newly arrived Mexican who said he wanted them for protection...

No background check, and I didn’t ask for any ID ‘cause I figured if he was OK for the US government to let into the country, that was good enough for me...


12 posted on 01/19/2013 5:01:10 PM PST by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: elteemike

Really? My guns fell out of my canoe on some lake in Minnesota. I forget which one. Why was I out there with every gun I own? Well, I wanted to spend an entire camping trip cleaning old guns of course. Sank right to the bottom. Somewhere.


13 posted on 01/19/2013 5:12:49 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i’am not arming neighbors who know nothing about guns, much less’who don’t know me. i don’t want bullets coming back at me from my own weapons.

they had different priorities than i did, they chose what to spend money and time on. some have similar priorities.


14 posted on 01/19/2013 5:19:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sadly, some of the new laws being proposed would make such a transfer a felony, and there is no David Gregory provision.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 5:24:02 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: elteemike

That’s not fair!
When I sold them to you, I only got $7.00 apiece! And that was my whole collection!!

Are you one of those greedy profit mongers that I keep reading about?


16 posted on 01/19/2013 5:25:03 PM PST by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: CynicalBear

My wife had a stroke a few years back. If something happens, we’re homeless in less than a month.


17 posted on 01/19/2013 5:30:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: CynicalBear; 2ndDivisionVet

God bless both of you.


18 posted on 01/19/2013 5:30:17 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A number of years ago after a home invasion by trashmen which severely injured an elderly couple in my dad’s comfortable neighborhood, my father and two other older men went door to door to offer home defense classes to the neighbors. Many men and women took it up.

My father and his friends helped the neighbors purchase guns, taught them how to use them at the range, placed emergency signals in place at all the houses and I remember my father saying proudly: No one is unprotected in this neighborhood for blocks around.


19 posted on 01/19/2013 5:37:19 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s only a couple of neighbors I would feel comfortable handing a gun to, and they already have their own.

On the other hand, there are lots of neighbors who I would trust with a chainsaw. And I daresay most looters would run if confronted by angry residents armed with chainsaws.
(Especially if we dribbled some fake blood on the chainsaws first!)


20 posted on 01/19/2013 5:37:43 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Chickensoup

Sanitation workers broke into someone’s home?


21 posted on 01/19/2013 5:39:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sanitation workers broke into someone’s home?

___________________

In this neighborhood the trash trucks have little mini trucks that go into the back yaards, get the trashcans, bring them to the

truck, empty them and put them back in the back yards. When I was young the men had two wheeled rollign carts to do this, these men were all well compensated both by the town and in gifts. I remember my family leaving out nice fat envelopes for them. In retrospect, probably protection monies.


22 posted on 01/19/2013 5:44:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If your neighbors aren’t armed, they are probably Democrats. I don’t think arming them is a good idea.

After four days without food, they are likely to sell themselves into slavery to you, and you can then get some stuff accomplished without the trying to tell you why you are wrong to think the way you do.


23 posted on 01/19/2013 6:04:47 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like you need to do an inventory of your skills. Or something you like doing. As an example, my daughter liked to sew. She started sewing swim suits for friends and now is full time making suits for the women who do body building. She never leaves home and makes great income. My other daughter makes jewelry out of junk and just got back from Haiti setting up shops there that are now making them for her because she had orders she couldn’t keep up with. There’s gotta be something you could do. With the internet, Ebay, Craigs list etc there’s a market out there for most everything. Woodworking, carving, ceramics, painting, sewing (don’t laugh, I make my own shoes because I can’t find any that fit my polio affected feet) or any other sit down, do it on your own time work.


24 posted on 01/19/2013 6:13:52 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If anyone doesn’t see this comoing or take it seriously enough to get themselves armed, forget about them. Anyone lacking that initiative will always be a drag on the situation.


25 posted on 01/19/2013 6:14:29 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Thank you. I have truly been blessed.


26 posted on 01/19/2013 6:15:25 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I’m reading a book about scanning items (don’t have a smart phone but aim to get one) and apps that tell you what that item is selling for on Amazon, e-bay, etc. and if you can make a profit on it, what the author refers to as arbitrage. My 1984 car isn’t cooperating with me (ignition went kaput a month ago) but that might be something I could do.


27 posted on 01/19/2013 6:23:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: CynicalBear
I can’t even imagine a neighbor who not only hasn’t prepared but has no protection for their family. My obligation is to inform them to prepare and defend themselves. Thinking I need to store food for them and supply a weapon for them is liberalism and not what I’m about. I’ll help those who tried to help themselves and band together but keep the socialistic attitude out of my preps and planning.

You completely missed the author's purpose here. He's not espousing socialism, he's preparing to have the extra supplies on hand to pay for a protection squad, and the means to arm them as well. I'd wager this guy would be around and kicking long after the short-sighted lone wolf types had fallen.

28 posted on 01/19/2013 6:27:37 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Hardastarboard

Thank you.


29 posted on 01/19/2013 6:28:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Melas; CynicalBear

I’m guessing that the Korean shopkeepers in Los Angeles were passing out firearms left-and-right during the riots and not worrying about your skill level.


30 posted on 01/19/2013 6:31:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am a big fan of firearms and firearms training (and an NRA-certified instructor), but after a crisis hits is not a time at which I would hand out weapons to those who don’t know how to shoot. I am more than willing to hand out ammo to certain neighbors who I know shoot, and I have the calibers they need, but I am not comfortable giving guns to unarmed and untrained neighbors.


31 posted on 01/19/2013 6:32:16 PM PST by Pollster1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, I think the only test that day was climbing the ladder to the roof. If you could get up there and point a rifle in the general direction of the looters, you were good enough.


32 posted on 01/19/2013 6:33:20 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: NonLinear

$7 apiece was a good price...Back then...But since then, inflation ya know?

But in this FUBO economy a guy’s gotta make a profit whnever he can...

Plus, he offered me cash money and I couldn’t resist...


33 posted on 01/19/2013 6:49:31 PM PST by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: Melas
>> I'd wager this guy would be around and kicking long after the short-sighted lone wolf types had fallen.<<

LOL I’d wager a smart prepper isn’t going to be a “lone wolf” nor will he be “short sighted”. And “this guy” you refer to having stored all those supplies and guns then giving them to his neighbors will be turned on by those neighbors who now have all the guns and supplies and no longer need him using up any of them.

34 posted on 01/19/2013 6:50:57 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Melas

Keep thinking outside the box and look for anything that interests you that you can do. You’re never to old to learn something. My grandfather was still carving wood in the nursing home at 92.


35 posted on 01/19/2013 6:53:57 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those Koreans are a close nit group. They all knew each other and knew what to expect from each other. I had some Vietnamese friends when I lived in Texas and you wouldn’t believe how they would come together if needed. The did business with each other first and sold to outsiders.


36 posted on 01/19/2013 6:58:09 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Secret Agent Man
"i’am not arming neighbors who know nothing about guns, much less’who don’t know me. i don’t want bullets coming back at me from my own weapons"

I've been shooting for 40 years since I was in the Army. You, sir, have completely called it correct. I've thought about this many times. Whats stopping them from shooting me after I turn my back?

37 posted on 01/19/2013 7:32:39 PM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------ The New Gold)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our advice to our neighbors is that we can warn you but we can’t feed you. Same with weapons.

Most likely people who have little or no experience with firearms will not have the stomach to use them anyway. They will get killed and the perps will take the firearms you handed out and then use them more effectively agains’t you.


38 posted on 01/19/2013 7:50:34 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Chickensoup
A number of years ago after a home invasion by trashmen which severely injured an elderly couple in my dad’s comfortable neighborhood, my father and two other older men went door to door to offer home defense classes to the neighbors. Many men and women took it up.
My father and his friends helped the neighbors purchase guns, taught them how to use them at the range, placed emergency signals in place at all the houses and I remember my father saying proudly: No one is unprotected in this neighborhood for blocks around.
Figuring that there are something like (upward of?) 30 million gun owners in America - and that there are something on the order of 15 thousand gun murders annually, I figure that there are about 20,000 gun owners here for each annual gun murder. Which says that people aren’t buying guns to commit violence - they buy guns to prevent violence.

IOW, complaining about the number of guns in America is as if a doctor would announce that because all his patients with infections had high white blood cell counts, he was developing a treatment to eliminate white blood cells from his patients’ bodies. There’s probably a way to do it - but it isn’t likely to make his patients any healthier.

Or it is as if I were to challenge you over your owning a fire insurance policy on your house, and also owning matches. Doesn’t that prove that you intend to commit insurance fraud? No, it means that you are prudent to insure your house - and you have other reasons to have matches than to commit arson. Whether those reasons justify whatever danger to your house that the matches represent is a prudential issue, not a moral one.


39 posted on 01/20/2013 10:36:33 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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