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To Any Aviator Out There
1/19/13 | me

Posted on 01/19/2013 4:15:23 PM PST by NoGrayZone

Question....why would an airport redirect it's flights? I am a smoker and live in a smoke free apt. So I go outside to smoke my butt.

I noticed tonight, just this past 20 minutes ALL flights have been flying over our home.

They were so low, which is why I noticed the 1st one. Then 3 more came. I stayed after I finished my butt to see how many came over.

It was constant. I have lived here over 7 years and have never seen such a thing. Is it normal for airports to "reroute" their planes in such a way?

These planes are SO low. I have NEVER seen such a thing since I have lived here.

Yes I'm logged in and yes I am wearing my tinfoil hat.

I am just looking for an explanation as to why an airport would redirect all their planes this way.


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1 posted on 01/19/2013 4:15:26 PM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone

Depends. What exactly were you smoking?


2 posted on 01/19/2013 4:18:37 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Wind direction and speed.


3 posted on 01/19/2013 4:19:23 PM PST by Lowcountry (RIP: Peterdanbrokaw)
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To: NoGrayZone

They keep coming. For some reason our local airport has redirected all planes to take off in my direction.

NOT saying it’s me! I just want to know why an airport would redirect it’s take offs.


4 posted on 01/19/2013 4:19:50 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone

I’ve noticed this at Philly International as well. All Westbound flights go over my house. The traffic pattern changes once in a while. I suspect it may have to do with runway maintenance or perhaps prevailing winds (if they are high, i.e. windshear). Just my two cents.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 4:20:29 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: NoGrayZone

A neat site someone posted a couple weeks ago.

http://www.flightradar24.com/


6 posted on 01/19/2013 4:21:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: csmusaret

ROFLMAO!!! Good one. ;-)


7 posted on 01/19/2013 4:21:24 PM PST by doc1019
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To: csmusaret

A cigarette that I certainly didn’t get off the Indian reservation at 1/3 the cost!


8 posted on 01/19/2013 4:21:24 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Did a cold front come through and change wind direction?


9 posted on 01/19/2013 4:21:24 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: cripplecreek
Flightaware is also another good site.
10 posted on 01/19/2013 4:23:11 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: crusty old prospector

We did get a cold front; however, the real one isn’t supposed to hit until Monday.


11 posted on 01/19/2013 4:23:34 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone

An unusual weather condition will sometimes cause this. Problems on a runway is always a possibility. Ice, fog, accident, or problems with radar or landing systems as well.

Any other airports in the vicinity? If so, perhaps they had to reroute traffic for some reason, so the airport near you had to direct their aircraft away from the other flight pattern.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 4:24:34 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: NoGrayZone

It might depend on what you were smoking. :)


13 posted on 01/19/2013 4:24:42 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Army Air Corps

I notice that tonight they’re landing approach into Detroit is more from the SW than a more direct approach from the west. I just assume it has to do with the prevailing winds tonight.


14 posted on 01/19/2013 4:25:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NoGrayZone

Likely something as simple as a change in wind direction. That said, and number of things could prompt a change in the approcah and departure patterns.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 4:25:56 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks for the link....but OMG, looks like we have 40,000 flights per minute coming in and out!


16 posted on 01/19/2013 4:26:47 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Things I have seen redirect flights around my area.

A fire or police helicopter is needed in the normal flight path.

Wind direction. This would normally seasonal but an airport near changes their landing and takeoff based on wind direction that only happen ever few years.

Your neighbor down the street is skinny dipping.


17 posted on 01/19/2013 4:29:08 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Just a nicotine butt. Sorry to disappoint! =)
18 posted on 01/19/2013 4:29:08 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: cripplecreek
Have you ever tried Live ATC? That is also a great site for pilots and aviation buffs.
19 posted on 01/19/2013 4:30:22 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: NoGrayZone

The runway in use is most often determined by the direction the wind is blowing. Planes taking off into the wind use less runway, so that is preferred. Also, if maintenance is being performed on a runway (paint, lights, etc) they may use a secondary runway.

If there are a bunch of the same type of plane taking off/landing, then there may have been some sort of fly-in, where pilots get together on a weekend and meet at a certain airport.


20 posted on 01/19/2013 4:34:23 PM PST by Textide
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To: NoGrayZone

I live about 15 miles almost due north of a decent sized airport with regularly scheduled passenger jet service. I don’t ever hear them unless there’s bad weather or turbulence. The landing pattern gets changed and they descend overhead at those times. Otherwise, I’d never know it’s there as far as jet noise.

Better to hear descent than takeoff, though. When I first came to the area, I flew out for business several times a week and rented an apartment near that same airport for convenience. Those turbines spooling up could rattle the windows at times, but after a few months it didn’t really even register anymore, just normal background noise.


21 posted on 01/19/2013 4:38:24 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: NoGrayZone
Alert: Obummer Air Force One flying in for executive order Golf-

All air traffic divert to Chicago.

22 posted on 01/19/2013 4:42:15 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: cripplecreek

WOW! That was so COOL!

I am sure glad I am not in charge of THAT!

I think I’ll stick to playing Bass! LOL!


23 posted on 01/19/2013 4:47:56 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
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24 posted on 01/19/2013 4:48:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Washington area military fields aren’t on here.


25 posted on 01/19/2013 4:51:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Lots of reasons, a bunch. The fact many planes are doing it and not just one would just mean ATC/approach has determined it’s the way to go. You may never know. Doesn’t mean it’s a malicious sign.


26 posted on 01/19/2013 4:58:23 PM PST by austinaero
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To: NoGrayZone

As others have stated, the most likely reason would be a change in the prevailing wind. However, occasionally airspace is restricted for some reason; examples include VIPs in the area, or even major events such as the Academy Awards. Noise abatement might be another - for example, some outdoor concert, such as at the Hollywood Bowl.


27 posted on 01/19/2013 5:01:26 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Ok, here it is. Where do you live in NY ?

I’m in North Jersey. There are strong westerlies.

There is nothing in the Newark traffic pattern that I see when they land normally (North or South).

They’ve undoubtedly switched to landing all traffic to the West on the crosswind runway at Newark.


28 posted on 01/19/2013 5:05:42 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: NoGrayZone

What airport?


29 posted on 01/19/2013 5:14:30 PM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Final approach would basically go right over the southern tip of Manhattan, after coming in from Queens or Long Island Sound... somehow.

I don’t know exactly how, not being a pilot (just flew with my father as a kid), because... La Guardia is right in that area and I don’t know how they keep those patterns separated when they shift Newark to landing to the West (towards New Jersey).

Usually Newark is landing to the South. They come in via upper Passaic county, sort of follow Route 208 south on what would be a “base leg”, and turn on Final approach about over Hackensack for final descent to the runway.

If the wind shifts to come out of the North, traffic is diverted straight south, running from it’s entry into the pattern up in North Jersey, down to the New Brunswick area, where it turns on final approach and lands to the north.


30 posted on 01/19/2013 5:21:12 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Army Air Corps

Awesome cool link. My youngest grandson wants to design cars or airplanes when he grows up. He was just mesmerized - as was I. Thanks.


31 posted on 01/19/2013 5:25:03 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Grams A

You can track specific aircraft (if you know the registration number) and watch air traffic at specific airports. Also, you an learn about a specific airport by using the information tabs on the airport screen. For a real treat, watch the flight traffic for an airport while listening to the radio communications for that airport on Live ATC.


32 posted on 01/19/2013 5:29:28 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: NoGrayZone

Perhaps your town has become famous for it’s BBQ?


33 posted on 01/19/2013 5:34:39 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: NoGrayZone

The usual reasons for changing traffic and runways are weather and maintenance related. Wind direction, runway visibility, and other factors dictate the safest departure and approach routes.


34 posted on 01/19/2013 5:56:27 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: NoGrayZone
They’ve undoubtedly switched to landing all traffic to the West on the crosswind runway at Newark.

Makes me smirk thinking about that. I've been on normal-sized commercial jets that landed on that runway a couple times.

For some of the larger planes, that is one short runway.

And man do they hit the breaks if they touched down a little long. A lot of passengers get a little disconcerted with that hard breaking. IMHO, landing long is not "by the book", and if a pilot is lazy about that, then has to land on a short runway some day, they're setting themselves up for problems.
35 posted on 01/19/2013 5:59:22 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: cripplecreek

Very cool tracking site. Thanks.


36 posted on 01/19/2013 6:05:45 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: NoGrayZone; EveningStar

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37 posted on 01/19/2013 6:31:31 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: WhiskeyX

I live in the Chicagoland area, with one major airport on the north side of Chicago (O’Hare), and a smaller but nonetheless busy airport (Midway) on the south side of the city. I live in the western suburbs of Chicago. Upon occasion, the traffic heading for O’Hare Airport goes over my Village. It’s arbitrary. I was once told it is because they rotate the flight patterns so as to share the wealth, so to speak, of the air traffic noise amongst all of the Chicagoland area rather than just the same route over certain towns all the time. Spreading the noise misery, as it were.


38 posted on 01/19/2013 6:50:06 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: cripplecreek

Check it out. Wow, great web page plus it has an APP for your IPhone.


39 posted on 01/19/2013 7:21:44 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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40 posted on 01/19/2013 7:24:40 PM PST by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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42 posted on 01/19/2013 8:59:49 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: NoGrayZone

I suspect they were playing “Follow the Leader” and the leader went the wrong way.


43 posted on 01/19/2013 9:11:14 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Noticed the same event in Louisville.


44 posted on 01/19/2013 9:50:54 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Army Air Corps

Thanks so much for the info. My grandson will particularly enjoy this and it will be such an awesome learning experience for him.

Used to go up with friends who had their own planes long ago and worked in Flight Operations with TWA for many years. Can’t afford charter flights, my old buds have had to retire their wings and I refuse to go near an airport as long as TSA is involved but we can at least now go there via your most helpful guidance.


45 posted on 01/19/2013 9:58:54 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Could be many different reasons.
Weather? a storm front,
wind shifts,
wind sheer,
president in area
work of runway
some type of emergency at airport
even something as simple as a kook shining a laser in pilots eyes
I remember once flying from Tampa to Dulles and a huge storm forced us to fly at about 3000 feet along the east coast of Florida to avoid said weather.
Great view of the entire coast.


46 posted on 01/20/2013 3:15:25 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: SkyDancer
Nice pictures.

The weather just took an extreme dip in temps. -2 for a high on Monday.

Hope you're doing well.

47 posted on 01/20/2013 5:24:45 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NoGrayZone

Were any of the aircraft painted completely black?


48 posted on 01/20/2013 5:27:48 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Re: “not landing by the book”. Add to that a slight tailwind with snow on the runway and you have an excursion onto city streets as Southwest did at Midway a few years ago. Good habits are essential to being a successful pilot.

Bat


49 posted on 01/20/2013 6:19:11 AM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: NoGrayZone

Noise abatement. Not that the takeoffs and landings are any quieter, just that they are directed over less populated areas.


50 posted on 01/20/2013 6:27:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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