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Florida Deputy Threatens to Shoot Concealed Carry Permit Holder
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Posted on 01/19/2013 5:19:18 PM PST by 45semi

Citrus County Florida Deputy Andy Cox threatens to shoot concealed carry licensee for lawfully carried handgun & then arrests him for accidental exposure.

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1 posted on 01/19/2013 5:19:25 PM PST by 45semi
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To: 45semi

This is the reason I support open carry laws.

I have no desire to carry openly in public but also think a person who is carrying a concealed weapon should not have to worry about accidentally exposing his weapon.


2 posted on 01/19/2013 5:25:09 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: 45semi

Gee, I wonder why cops get such a bad wrap?


3 posted on 01/19/2013 5:36:07 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: 45semi
Where is the guy's boss, does he support his deputy? Is it going to be his department's policy too?

The threat is a reckless endangerment to the public, to himself, and his colleague.

4 posted on 01/19/2013 5:40:33 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: 45semi

Good thing the guy wasn’t walking his dog.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 5:46:44 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: 45semi

Everyone involved acted stupidly. The holder should have informed the cop he was carrying, and the cop should have not snapped like he did. Not sure when this happened, but I’m betting we will see more like this as lawful 2A supporters get painted as “dangerous”.


6 posted on 01/19/2013 5:49:09 PM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: 45semi

Good thing he wasn’t out walking his dog!


7 posted on 01/19/2013 5:51:34 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: 45semi
Story previously posted on Free Republic about the recently passed Florida law that covers incidents of accidental exposure of concealed weapon. This guy should not have had a problem.
8 posted on 01/19/2013 5:59:37 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Chipper

“The holder should have informed the cop he was carrying, and the cop should have not snapped like he did.”

Had the holder informed the cop he was carrying, the cop would’ve just snapped sooner along with his chest thumping.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 6:10:48 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: yarddog
This is the reason I support open carry laws.

Same here for educational purposes.

Over the past 30 years, liberal statists have pretty effectively convinced the population that open carry was illegal when the reality is that only a handful of states ever banned open carry through legislative means.

Michigan Open Carry, Inc.

MOC was formed as a Michigan non-profit organization in March of 2009. MOC was formed out of the Michigan Forum on opencarry.org (OCDO). OCDO was started by John Pierce and Mike Stollenwerk in 2004. These men are responsible for revitalizing the growing practice of the open carry of a handgun. Michigan is one of the fastest growing states in regards to the practice of open carrying a handgun. 44 States allow some type of Open Carry of a handgun. 6 States ban open carry. Most bans were enacted during or after reformation, to bar freed slaves from carrying weapons. Four states have petitions to rescind this ban. The open carry movement is growing in the U.S., much like the Concealed carry movement has in the last 10 years. Time and time again citizens have shown to be responsible when carrying a firearm. Studies by John Lott and Howard Nemerov and others have shown that lawful firearm owners are less likely to commit any kind of crime let alone a violent one.
10 posted on 01/19/2013 6:11:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 45semi

What else is a Florida Deputy who is also an Obama voter to do in this case?


11 posted on 01/19/2013 6:12:41 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: 45semi

The Prosecutor in the end dropped all charges.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 6:19:28 PM PST by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: Chipper
Everyone involved acted stupidly. The holder should have informed the cop he was carrying, and the cop should have not snapped like he did. Not sure when this happened, but I’m betting we will see more like this as lawful 2A supporters get painted as “dangerous”.

This is exactly what the 2nd Amendment is for, for protection against tyrannical a__holes enforcing absolute self perceived stupidity of laws.

13 posted on 01/19/2013 6:28:17 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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14 posted on 01/19/2013 6:43:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

One of just many reasons.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 6:45:33 PM PST by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: 45semi
Major overreaction by the policeman. The citizen kept his cool and his voice under control the entire time. Excellent behavior on his part.

Sounded almost like "Roid Rage" from the LEO. And yes, it was almost all on video. The man was trying to comply with the officer's requests and his holster accidentally showed. The only debate should be required notification of carry, but the reaction was in excess. After having asked the man to place his hands on the van, no need existed for the comment about shooting the man in the back and the use of an expletive in the process -- very unprofessional.

Something else is attached to this story that we are not being told for the officer to act like that. Perhaps a personal conflict between the two men's families or something like that had been going on. The LEOs with whom I attend church would never have treated that man that way even when placing him under control.

Was this resolved in court and what was the outcome?

16 posted on 01/19/2013 7:00:42 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Chipper

“Everyone involved acted stupidly.”

Na, just the cop was a jerk. Like all jerk/cops, they can’t
resist the chance to act like maniacal power freaks. The
jerk/cop got caught lying about why he pulled the guy over
and acted way out of line to teach the citizen a lesson.
You don’t prove a jerk/cop wrong without paying the price.


17 posted on 01/19/2013 7:01:41 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: navysealdad
The Prosecutor in the end dropped all charges.

Do you have a link to that story?

18 posted on 01/19/2013 7:01:51 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: 45semi
Thank you, Indiana, for having a Carry license, not a conceal carry license.

Okay to open carry in Indiana. VERY rarely see anyone carrying openly. Probably have not seen anyone open carrying in the last year. So carry permit holders are not show-offs.

19 posted on 01/19/2013 7:02:07 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: 45semi

Before we can be secure in our freedom we have to take a careful look at the police. Seems like we sure have a rash of rogue cops.


20 posted on 01/19/2013 7:04:27 PM PST by Logical me
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To: navysealdad
Well, while that was belatedly “very nice” of the Prosecuter,(heavy sarcasm)it doesn't really address the problem of an out of controll police force.

Florida doesn't have perverted “shake down” laws, such as NYs “stop and frisk” crap.

I no longer automatically assume my local LEOs are good guys doing a hard job.
I fear them now.
And I do not speed, do drugs, thieve, or knowingly commit any crime.
And I really hate that our society has devolved and reached this point.

But it has. And people need to understand that, and pick a side.

21 posted on 01/19/2013 7:07:07 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: 45semi

You sure the cops name was Andy Cox and not Wally Cox/


22 posted on 01/19/2013 7:13:39 PM PST by Venturer
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To: navysealdad

I’m happy they dropped the charges.

Can you add a link here?


23 posted on 01/19/2013 7:14:11 PM PST by gaijin
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To: sarasmom

The culture has become overwhelmingly infantile and amoral. That is the pool from which LEOs and military are chosen.

Those who do the choosing are overwhelming university-educated, which adds anti-Americanism to the mix.

There’s no way LEOs and military can become a repository of virtue under those conditions.


24 posted on 01/19/2013 7:19:14 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

>>Something else is attached to this story that we are not being told for the officer to act like that. Perhaps a personal conflict between the two men’s families or something like that had been going on. The LEOs with whom I attend church would never have treated that man that way even when placing him under control.

Are you being serious??? If a cop is having a “family feud” with another person, then its ok for they cop to use foul and threatening language? If this was a premeditated action on the part of the cop due a family feud, then that cop needs to spend a few years in prison for terrorizing this citizen.

But, in reality, there was no feud. This was just another out of control cop with a potentially deadly “Us vs Them” mentality and he has no business carrying a gun for the government.


25 posted on 01/19/2013 7:20:00 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 45semi

The sheriff was an ass...he needs retraining on dealing with the public and carry conceal laws...

There is a new law for dealing with An accidental exposure...

In Florida you do not have to inform an officer if you are carrying....when pulled over....

Though I would hand him my carry permit with my license as a courtesy...


26 posted on 01/19/2013 7:21:36 PM PST by JZoback
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To: Bryanw92
Are you being serious???

Totally. Was trying to avoid writing another essay as to why reacting due to personal conflict as an LEO would have been wrong, but determined that was probably understood. Just searching for a reason as to why the policeman went ballistic.

27 posted on 01/19/2013 7:24:43 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Chipper
Everyone involved acted stupidly.

Garbage.

The holder should have informed the cop he was carrying,

Cite the law that says he was required to do so.

and the cop should have not snapped like he did.

Way to condemn abuse of a law abiding citizen! /s

28 posted on 01/19/2013 7:26:35 PM PST by Ken H
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To: 45semi

Citrus County Florida Deputy Andy Cox = Major League Asshole. And he’s incompetent to boot.


29 posted on 01/19/2013 7:30:29 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

>>Just searching for a reason as to why the policeman went ballistic.

Same as always: its the gang mentality that infects many cops. If you aren’t wearing the colors of a “brother cop”, then you are the enemy.


30 posted on 01/19/2013 7:31:39 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: gaijin

http://www.clerk.citrus.fl.us/courts/case/16888028b


31 posted on 01/19/2013 7:36:05 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: John Leland 1789

In GA if you have a CCL you can concealed carry or open carry.


32 posted on 01/19/2013 7:40:53 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BerryDingle
Somehow...”I'll shoot you in the fu@king back” doesn't seem the right response to the officers oath: TO SERVE, DEFENDAND AND PROTECT....

I wonder how it would have gone if the perp had followed proper procedure and 1st informed the cop....”Officer...I have a CCL and I could have blown your fu@kin head off....What can I do for ya?”

Prolly would have still ate some asphalt....

IMHO..Civility should be a 2 way street..with more civility from those that swear to >> serve defend and protect...(this isn't against law enforcement but Ive seen too many cops that have that attitude)... as an aside...had an old lawyer tell me years ago....Cops should have their penises measured before being given a badge, gun and a little authority...it would cut down on the number of power hungry little pricks on the force../s

33 posted on 01/19/2013 7:49:53 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: 45semi

ho-lee-crap~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“I’m going to shoot you in the f**ing back” ????????

What the hell kind of talk is that? I hope there is a law suti and that trigger happy dumba$$ cop is FIRED from the force


34 posted on 01/19/2013 7:55:14 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The practicality of it is the same, then. Good.

Indiana calls it on the license, simply,

LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUN

It is open or concealed. Our town marshall, when taking our applications said, "If you carry open, and an incident occurs where law-enforcement are about, just make sure they know whose side you are on."

Law-enforcement here is very supportive.

35 posted on 01/19/2013 8:11:57 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: philetus

From the documentation at the link, it looks like the case was dropped, but the guy had to finally file a motion 5 months later to get his gun back??


36 posted on 01/19/2013 8:15:58 PM PST by Egon (Apparently, Jimmy Carter DOES need a third term.)
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To: 45semi
Fl Stat § 790.053 Open carrying of weapons.—

(1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection

(2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.

37 posted on 01/19/2013 8:21:13 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: 45semi

I am originally from Florida, and it’s now my 2nd home where my family lives. I live in a state to the north and have a CCW permit that is valid and recognized in Florida.

Once, when showing my brother a new pistol I brought with me, pulling it from the trunk of my car - he quickly shoved me to conceal the pistol or I could get arrested. My state is an open carry state. I was shocked. He explained that open display of a pistol in Florida is against the law.

Crazy.


38 posted on 01/19/2013 8:28:55 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: ScottfromNJ
That cop is going to get hurt some day. Not because he is an @sshole (he is), but because of his extremely sloppy police work. Poor control of the situation, use of profanity, and arguing with persons that were being completely compliant. The only person escalating the situation was the deputy. It is pathetic.

The deputy should have asked the man to remain in his vehicle. He should have known right away the guy was carrying because he kept trying to adjust his shirt. He couldn't even give reasonable directions to the wife who was being completely compliant. Had this been a bad guy I don't think the deputy would come out on top. Instead all he has done is he has done is make two more enemies out of common citizens.

39 posted on 01/19/2013 8:54:16 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 45semi

The first words out of the officers mouth should have been “Do you have a weapon?”. It all escalated from his not asking.


40 posted on 01/19/2013 9:07:32 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: 45semi

Step One if you get pulled over and have a firearm in the vehicle — Inform the officer, permit or not. In NC it is state law. Don’t know about other states, but it is polite nonetheless, and avoids any misunderstanding.

I don’t get pulled over often, but the last time I did, by a NC State Trooper, I put my hands out the window as he approached the vehicle and said, “Officer, I have a firearm in the vehicle.” It was being legally carried in plain sight on the passenger seat of the vehicle.

We spent the next 10 minutes talking about firearms, shooting the breeze. Nice guy. No ticket.


41 posted on 01/19/2013 9:33:53 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

>> Gee, I wonder why cops get such a bad wrap?

There are two kinds of cop.


42 posted on 01/19/2013 10:05:09 PM PST by Gene Eric ( I've plumb forgotten how to change the quote line down by my name!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The guys lucky. If he’d been a dog the cop would have shot him.


43 posted on 01/20/2013 12:24:28 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: 45semi
Take the guns away from the dumb-ass, power tripping cops and leave the legally carrying citizens alone.
Life would be much better.
44 posted on 01/20/2013 1:10:24 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: 45semi
as the Key West Keystones are so fond of saying:

. You can beat the rap but you can't beat the beatdown or the ride

.

45 posted on 01/20/2013 1:17:51 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Las Vegas Ron

cause of buttheads like this one and his breathren who go around killing innocent dogs
Oh yeah, and you can throw in the cops, “code of silence”, that says one does not speak badly of my fellow cops even if they are real bed.
Bad wrap?
Most cops are great public servants.
Then there are the ones that speed past you on their priveledged way to get the fresh donuts.


46 posted on 01/20/2013 3:26:16 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It does look like a classic “’Roid Rage” incident.

The ‘Rest of the story’ is the Prosecutor threw out all charges.


47 posted on 01/20/2013 3:29:50 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: 45semi

The cop did not have enough professionalism/control to be a cop. Threatening to shoot the guy in his “effin” back was the giveaway.


48 posted on 01/20/2013 4:10:32 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: cripplecreek

I occasionally see individuals carrying concealed (not very well concealed if I was able to see them) but I’ve never seen one openly carried.


49 posted on 01/20/2013 4:20:28 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: gaijin

http://www.clerk.citrus.fl.us/courts/case/16888028b


50 posted on 01/20/2013 5:34:45 AM PST by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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