Skip to comments.Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory
Posted on 01/20/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
While its often best not to engage with conspiracy theorists on their own turf, as you can probably never convince them, it’s worth setting the record straight on all the myths and phony evidence surrounding the Sandy Hook massacre.
Weve rounded up every major piece of evidence we could find that leads theorists to say the official narrative of events “doesnt add up” and provided the facts that show why these questions can be easily explained. Weve ignored the empty accusations with no evidence to support them (it was the Jews!) and focused only on the theories that try to present actual empirical or circumstantial evidence.
Let us know if we missed any and well add to it as more myths emerge. In no particular order, here is your comprehensive guide to disproving the Sandy Hook Truthers:
Why arent the adults sadder? They arent behaving the way human beings would act, as conspiracy theorist Jay Weidner told fellow conspiracy theorist Jeff Rense on his radio show. Theorists have zeroed in on Robbie Parker, who they say wasnt grieving hard enough for his slain 6-year-old daughter, Emilie. In one widely circulated clip, Parker laughs before stepping up to the microphone, and apparently someone says read from the card (as in cue card) before Parker breathes heavily in anticipation of beginning a press conference. This is what actors do to get into character, one popular YouTube video states. Rense and Weidner also take issue with the mourning of the school nurse, the family of slain teacher Victoria Soto, and others. ALL ACTORS??? NO TEARS, wonders the author of SandyHookHoax.com on a page featuring videos with numerous interviews from the shooting.
Answer: People mourn in many different ways, sometimes all at once. As a recent Scientific American article on gref noted, oscillation between sadness and mirth repeated itself in study after study … Time and again, a grief-stricken persons expression would change from dejection to laughter and back. George Bonanno, a psychologist at Columbia University who studies grief, even developed a way to determine if this mourner’s laughter was genuine or merely a facade to hide grief — he determined that they exhibited the real thing. Scientists think this is part of our internal resilience mechanisms kicking in, because constant grief is simply too much for a person to handle.
What about Emilie? One of the most common myths circulated on message boards and in YouTube videos is that Emilie Parker is actually alive. The proof is a photo purportedly showing her with President Obama when he visited the school after the shooting. Conspiracists know its Emilie because shes wearing the same dress as the one Emilie wore in a family portrait taken before the shooting (an alternative theory is that the girl in the photo with Obama is her double). Other websites take issue with the family portrait, alleging it was Photoshopped for some reason, pointing to the fact that the Emilie is making a devil’s horns sign with her hands and making the devils horn hand sign isnt easy. Try it yourself. Imagine getting a 3- and 4-year-old do it.
Answer: The girl on Obamas lap is Emilies little sister. Its amazing that we have to say this, but sometimes younger siblings wear clothes passed down to them from older siblings, and sometimes siblings look alike because they are siblings. And theres no evidence or even motive given for why the portrait would be Photoshopped. Making a devils horn gesture is actually incredibly easy. Try it yourself.
Why do they all look the same? Numerous websites juxtapose pictures of people from Newtown against pictures of similar looking people from Aurora, Colo., and assert they are the same actors.
Answer: Not all women with brown hair are the same person.
But what about the rifle? Alleged shooter Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle as his primary weapon, but conspiracist have seized on footage of police removing a long gun from the trunk of Lanzas car. This reveals the ‘Big Lie’ of the mainstream media … the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle was left in Lanzas car, conspiracy website NaturalNews states in a story picked up by Alex Jones InfoWars this week.
Answer: Actually, the gun shown being removed from Lanzas car was a shotgun he never used. Lanza brought three guns inside the school — the AR-15 and two handguns — all of which were found inside the school.
How come the memorial pages were created before the shooting? One of the most cited pieces of hard evidence in the hoax theory is that memorial pages for the victims were allegedly created before the shooting even took place. Theorists point to Google results giving dates before the shooting for various pages.
Answer: Actually, this is a very common glitch for constricted-date Google searches. The results are imprecise and can often display incorrect dates on the search page, even when the date on the actual page is correct when you click through to it. For instance, heres a Fox News story on the Sandy Hook shooting that Google says is from Oct. 1, 1983 — how come Fox News didnt stop the shooting if it had 30 years advance notice???
What about the car? Early on, theorists latched on to the notion that the black Honda Accord driven by Lanza was not actually owned by his mother, as police say, but by a man named Chris Rodia, who was mentioned on a police scanner at the time of the shooting. One theory is that Rodia may have been an additional shooter. An even more advanced theory is that Rodia may have been taking advantage of mentally ill people like Lanza and using drugs to make them do his bidding.
Answer: This one was debunked by the theorists themselves just a few days after the shooting. BeforeItsNews, a conspiracy website, obtained the police audio definitively debunking the myth (Rodia appeared on the scanner because he was getting pulled over in a traffic stop miles away, but his license plate doesnt match Lanzas car). This was a huge blow, because lots of people were making big leaps on this … but we now have to look elsewhere, another amateur investigator said on YouTube.
What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?
Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.
But there was another man in the woods (maybe): Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.
Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town who heard the gunfire.
What about the third man at the firehouse? Children fleeing the school said they saw a man pinned down on the ground in handcuffs outside the firehouse. Could this be a second or third shooter?
Answer: No, like Manfredonia, this man was briefly detained by police in the hectic aftermath, but quickly released when it was determined he was just a passerby, Connecticut State Police spokesperson Lt. Paul Vance, who was on the scene, confirmed to Salon. Were there other people detained? The answer is yes. In the height of battle, until youve determined who, what, when, where and why of everyone in existence … thats not unusual, Vance said.
Then why did some eyewitnesses report multiple shooters? Theorizers have parsed conflicting media reports and interviews with eyewitnesses saying they saw multiple shooters. How could they be wrong?
Answer: In the stress and confusion of a situation like a mass shooting, misreporting is not just common, but the rule. And there’s a reason eyewitnesses are viewed so skeptically in criminal court cases: They often get things wrong. The Supreme Court has called eyewitness testimony “notoriously unreliable” while the Innocence Project says ”eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions.” Yet theorists would have you believe that a small handful of media interviews with people on the scene trumps all the other interviews with people there and police and media reports.
What about that Gene Rosen guy? Theorists have fixated on Rosens account of that day and harassed him for it. Rosen sheltered six children during the shooting, but theorists have alternately claimed that Rosens accounts are suspiciously too consistent in various interviews he gave, or suspiciously inconsistent. Other people claim Rosen was an actor, because they claim he is . And what happened to the bus driver? Why did Rosen sit with the kids for hours? Why didnt he take them to the firehouse down the street where authorities were staging?
Answer: Rosen did invite the bus driver inside and she helped him contact their parents. An early AP report erroneously reported that he sat with the kids for hours, but he told us that the children were only inside his house for about 35 minutes. He did call their parents. Four parents came right away and Rosen took the remaining two to the fire station. Rosen is not a member of SAG (thats a different Gene Rosen, who is seven years younger).
But how was the dead principal quoted? Theorists seized on a quote on the shooting in the Newtown Bee from a Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, who died in the shooting. How could she have been quoted if she died?
Answer: The Bee quickly posted a retraction and an apology: An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. Things are confusing in the aftermath.
What about the LIBOR connection? Early theories posited that the fathers of both Lanza and alleged Aurora shooter James Holmes were set to testify before the Senate on the (real) LIBOR banking scandal. Could bankers have been involved in the shooting to discredit the supposedly explosive testimony set to be given by these two men?
Answer: This one falls apart in just about every way and the hardcore theorists abandoned it weeks ago as a bogus. Ben Swann, the Ohio TV reporter who thinks there were probably multiple shooters at Sandy Hook, investigated and determined there was “no evidence” to support any of the assumptions in the LIBOR theory. TPM also looked into it and found it to be “100% false.” There are no LIBOR hearings scheduled, neither man was selected as a witness, and neither man is in much of a position to deliver an explosive testimony on the scandal anyway.
Vance said he was disgusted by the conspiracy theories. ”There’s no hoax. I was there. I stepped over the dead children. That’s no hoax. And it’s offensive to me as an investigator, and it’s offensive to the families who lost their babies to have people come up with silliness like this. Whatever their reasoning is, whatever their rationale is, it’s just terribly offensive,” Vance added.
Thanks. Very handy.
But of course the conspiracy theorists will just consider it an expansion of the conspiracy. They will never deviate from their chosen narrative.
My main concern is with the lack of a footprint Lanza left online.
Even with Lanza’s personal hard drive destroyed, we hear absolutely nothing about the person, his past ‘ranting’, remembered things from people who knew him and such.
Media does not seem curious at all. !!!???!!!! Anybody would have assumed they digged deep but came up with things they didn't like to surface.
/if that makes me a conspiracy nut, so be it.
But then, will you deviate from your chosen narrative that there can’t possibly be a conspiracy.
I submit that there is a great possibility that there is a conspiracy ...but not that Sandy Hook was a hoax.
Parker’s behavior is odd. Someone here said he exhibited classic signs of the same disorder that I believe Obama has and it involves a Personality Disorder
So why have the sister wear the same dress that you know you posted on Facebook. There are few reasons that it would make psychological sense. Even if the girl wanted to wear it -common sense would tell you not to do it. For a number of reasons. If she wanted to wear one of her sister’s dresses - I am sure there were others.
That photo does look photoshopped as it pertains to the legs but that could be explained even if photoshopped.
Slate references a rumor started by Sorcha Faal (not his real name) I am on the fence as to whether Faal is a disinformation specialist, a dem operative , or an internet hoax prankster. His articles get picked up by other sites and then they usually end up on FR.
Harken back to the idea that it is quite possible that David Axelrod ginned up the birth certificate controversy in order to hide something else. If so, he was a genius to do it because everyone steers away from anything to do with Obama’s identity because they don’t want to be considered a nut.As for Orly Taitz - something is off about her, too. Or maybe she is just a really bad lawyer.
Same exact disinformation campaign could be taking place with Sandy Hook.
The political arena has long operated on disinformation campaigns.
To be honest, the only people still talking about it are the lefties. The truth is that nobody has heard much about that incident as far as facts go since the incident.
The perp is dead, so I can’t see why we have no more detail.
There will be no trial, right?
I never heard of this before as “conspiracy theory” but I did note that someone on GOA gun forum commented that it was odd that the predominance of the political elite pushing gun control might of had ancestors in the Holocaust . The point being made was that in view of gun control by Nazis that you would think the Jewish would be the last to push gun control in the US.
IMHO, the real conspiracy is the liberal mindset that, when trying to come to grips with this horror, ran to the shelter of “gun control” rather than prayer for the souls of the victims.
Show me the crime scene photos with all those little brass thingies on the floor. With closeups.
THEN talk to me.
What? They’re not available?
Salon’s attempt to ridicule the right and paper over the horrible job that the MSM did covering this event.
It is no wonder that questions are asked about what happened and when.
But in this day of Lance Armstrong, Manti Te’o, “No Jeeps will be made overseas”, and lack of answers forthcoming on Benghazi, I think a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted in ANYONE of sound mind.......if THEY put it out there, let THEM justify it. Alot of times, THEY can’t.....
Its kinda like the Clackmas mall shooting. At least one 911 call said the shooter was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask but it just evaporated from the news. I’m also curious about the mask Lanza was wearing.
When if ever will we hear what drugs were in Lanza’s system? I do believe that the gun grabbers and media had a plan of action at the ready if such an event occurred.
Oh, and one more thing. If Alex Jones is not currently working some disinformation ploy for some government - someone should hire him.
He creates a certain environment that would be beneficial to certain governmental objectives.
Who ran from police instead of just showing identifying himself. Sorry but it doesn't pass the smell test.
Given the media's lack of curiosity about Lanza's background and the 2nd runners ID I'm going to put on my tinfoil and posit that Lanza was "handled" as part of a MKULTRA type program at worst, and at the very least a "known" loose screw whose intentions were picked up by NSA and whose communications made it through all the right filters to a human analyst who then either sat on the info or was told to by a higher up in the administration.
Perhaps you can get your questions answered here.
Lost in all of this is the police response time which has been reported as long as 20 munutes.
Salon “where the effete meet to bleat” does not go into speculation about motive outside of the fact that the kid was nuts. There’s a diversion going on about what was going on in that kids twisted mind. Expending as many rounds as he did in his victims he definetly meant to kill not maim.
Was he “executing” them or was he “saving” them in his twisted mind ? There is a difference. Also not mentioned examining what medications he was on and the examination of what was in his computer.
Maybe the media wants to focus on blaming the gun, which is easier to do if you’re not delving into what was wrong with the perp.
Whether or not they had anything to do with Sandy Hook is then, not a question of "Would they?" rather, a question of, "did they?", and if so, "how?"
Unabomber experimented on by known CIA affiliate.
Colorado Movie Shooter known mental issues under observation at an interesting facility.
Lanza- not much known.
It’s possible that they short circuit after being experimented on or that they are programmed.
Or they could be just ordinary nuts who hit the male schizophrenia age.
Interestingly, the Franklin Cover Up indicates that young people were experimented on to actually break them down and make them schizophrenic. In turn, they went out and got blackmail info on Congress. Might explain some of the actions we have seen. One person theorized that Evan Bayh might have been persuaded based on info on his Dad. Purely conjecture.
But we do know that MK Ultra successfully programmed a person who feared guns to pick up a gun on command and shoot someone - and then forget about it later.
The fact that the media is not after details is a red flag to me.
The main underlying reason for the conspiracy theories is the complete lack of trust in the MSM, in my opinion. We saw how they helped the Obama agenda with Benghazi. So when the MSM gets parts of the story wrong with Sandy Hook, it will happen that people will think something is amiss. And especially when so many members of the MSM turn around and use Sandy Hook to blatantly shill for gun grabbing.
” When if ever will we hear what drugs were in Lanzas system? “
The toxiclogy results might be in, but maybe are not being released pending completion of the full autopsy report. This is often standard procedure. Bureaucracy moves slowly. Full autopsy results are often not availaible for at least six weeks from the date of the incident. I think we are just now coming up on six weeks, correct?
Operation Northwoods signed off by Joint Chiefs shows that, too.
I have often wondered if Alex Jones was sent out to use Operation Northwoods as a basis for his 9/11 Truther claims in order to desensitize people to the notion of Operation Northwoods.
People try to claim that Kennedy rejected Operation Northwoods. No , he didn’t.
He rejected military action according to the notation of someone at a meeting.
Again, who knows what really went on.
That was Christopher Manfredonia not the police officer.
Pretend for a moment that you are an immoral devious narcisstic politician who is capable of Fast and Furious and god knows what else. You have stated in your early years that you want to confiscate guns.
If you are capable of Fast and Furious you are capable of setting about a situation like Sandy Hook.
But, how to distract from it?
Gin up the conspiracy that Sandy Hook never happened . Make sure enough conflicting info gets out there to set people off on the conspiracy bandwagon. Is this just a random nut that went on a murder spree? It's possible...or maybe he had a little help.
<>Lost in all of this is the police response time which has been reported as long as 20 munutes.<>
Whoever believes that IS lost.
The response was 3 minutes as documented by the police dispatch published here the following day:
“The response was 3 minutes”
Given that the entire front of the school was lined in glass, why didn’t the police shoot the f*er right then? Police could have aimed high, since these were small children, just to draw his fire or make him run the other way.
To Uncle Chip:
You mentioned to me on another post that police identified two people in a hallway. Were the police inside then?
Finally, you are quick to answer back with something to any question. Do you work for the Administration, the FBI, DOJ, Obama for America or for Obama for Action?
As they say in the pro-gun circles: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
Salon where the effete meet to bleat does not go into speculation about motive outside of the fact that the kid was nuts. Theres a diversion going on about what was going on in that kids twisted mind. Expending as many rounds as he did in his victims he definetly meant to kill not maim.
Well, I heard speculation that he went on his rampage because his mother was about to have him committed. Also, there is speculation that he was jealous of these innocent kids, something along the lines of his mother loving them more than she loved him (it has been said that she volunteered at the school).
Was he executing them or was he saving them in his twisted mind ? There is a difference. Also not mentioned examining what medications he was on and the examination of what was in his computer.
The computer is gonna take a while, or maybe forever, since the hard drive was smashed. I personally don't see any reason why any medications can't be disclosed.
The Parker thing is very disturbing. He was definitely acting. A false flag conspiracy is one plausible explanation. Coincidence theorists like the author look foolish to me - running around plugging holes in the dyke. This is a coincidence, that’s a coincidence, the next fifty weird things about the case are all coincidences. And none of the coincidence theorists give any real accounting to the perennial question - “Qui Bono.” It’s all very convenient politically speaking And it also doesn’t take into account the fact that MSM routinely lies for Obama (Fast and Furious, Ben Ghazi, inflated economic numbers). Occam’s Razor, folks. We go with the theory that explains the most facts the most elegantly until another, better theory is found. Coincidence theories are very weak here. The false flag theory is much stronger. The scientific method requires that we proceed under the assumption that the false flag theory is true, until proven otherwise. In other words, the burden of proof has shifted for the government to prove its innocence.
Why? Adam Lanza was by all accounts reclusive and anti-social to an extreme. Why is it so unbelievable that he would not have left a big social presence online foot print? Sure, he was supposedly big into playing video games but not all games or players use multi-player options.
FWIW, I know a good number of people who do not use personal email accounts, dont use Facebook or Twitter, etc. even some who do not even have PCs at home. I work in HR and my employer has for the last two years required all employees to make their annual open enrollment benefit elections on line through our self service portal. But being a manufacturing company not all our employees have work computers and work emails. And I was surprised to learn that a number of these folks didnt have PCs at home and so we had to provide them with access to a PC at work, a temporary email account and basically hand hold them through the process as they were pretty much computer illiterate. These folks must have a zero online foot print but the absence of such is not evidence of their trying to hide something.
That Lanza tried to destroy his PC does not preclude the possibility that he had no on-line foot print. Busting up my hard drive wouldnt destroy or erase my online footprint BTW.
Oh, I never said conspiracies don’t exist.
I’m just fond of shredding a particular kind which is usually, grotesquely, wrong.
Because he probably wasn't there by the glass and they are smarter than that.
You mentioned to me on another post that police identified two people in a hallway. Were the police inside then?
I am assuming so because they called for two ambulances right off the bat and there were two bodies right there as they entered the front door -- the principal and school psychologist.
Finally, you are quick to answer back with something to any question...
No -- but I have followed this from the start and had all the same questions you and others do but actually took the time to search out the answers rather than still be asking them a month later. And I didn't have to go to the moon or the bottom of the ocean to get them or some other esoteric source. They are all publicly available and incontrovertible like the police dispatch published by the New Haven Register the day of the shooting.
“But there was another man in the woods (maybe): Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.
Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town who heard the gunfire.”
Well this is the first I have heard of this explanation. A bit odd that an off duty cop from another town would 1 be there, 2 wearing camo, and 3 running from the real police... no? What was his name?
Let me answer this way:
I believe there is something very wrong with Obama’s BC.
All the popular arguments are, however, very wrong.
Where does it say in that sentence or any sentence in any article that he was running from the real police???
You’ve got an interesting footprint here at FR yourself.
Meaning what exactly?
The scene is one of the few details we actually have footage on.
“didn’t have to go to the moon or the bottom of the ocean to get them or some other esoteric source. They are all publicly available and incontrovertible”
If you are addressing me and suggesting that have not taken the time, looking at esoteric sources for answers to legitimate and practical questions or wondering about the incident one month later, check yourself. Many questions I have asked do not have publically, incontrovertible answers.
Furthermore, as for incontrovertibility, I question the veracity of what I hear, see or read from news or law enforcement, given that the chief law enforcement officer of this country offers up false choices and patently inaccurate causation as truth. Apparently, so do you, given thatn you used the word “probably” in your response to me.
If you don’t want to answer my questions about whether you work for the 0bama administration, 0bama for Action, or any arm of the above organizations, that’s ok. I understand.
That footage is of Chris Manfredonia, a parent with a child in the school, not this off-duty police officer.
Drug addicts and alchololics always will be able to rationalize crazy behavior.
I don’t believe the official SandyHook story because of what I know about FEMA drills and because the official coverage is nothing that a rational person could digest.
No, it wasn’t.
I did answer it. “No” was that answer.
Why is an answer to a question so hard to accept.
And you know that how???
I wanted confirmation.
Chris M. was with police in front of the fire house, not at the school. He was not wearing camo. We already ran this to ground in another thread where you were grasping at straws to protect the Government’s credibility in this case.
And my answer is not???
In actuality, of course, none of us are ‘confirmed’ on this or any site.
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