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Want To Tell The State To Stick It? Homeschool Your Kids.
Forbes ^ | 01/22/2013 | Bill Flax

Posted on 01/22/2013 9:53:44 AM PST by billflax

"This notion that the children belong to the state, that their education must be provided for by the state … is inimical at every step to liberty.” – J. Gresham Machen

The swelling legions of homeschoolers poke a subtle rebuke at America’s ever expanding nanny state. Under both parties, Washington has systematically invaded private spheres and co-opted public services historically performed by local bodies. But a spontaneous groundswell of freedom minded folks has continued America’s rich inheritance of rugged individualism.

The God-fearing, flag-waiving, gun-toting homeschool crowd embodies the American spirit of mutual self-reliance. You won’t encounter a more neighborly bunch. Their children thrive without government “help.” Their support networks blossom sans the state’s sanction. Meanwhile, taxpayers waste a fortune securing abysmal academic results. In 2012, SAT scores fell to their lowest level since tracking began. As spending soars, assessment scores plummet.

The modern homeschool movement comes largely by Christians aghast over an academic establishment overrun by progressives. Schools long ago became laboratories for instilling statism and distilling politically correct groupthink. Values clarification anyone? With public education increasingly geared toward multicultural agitation against America’s godly heritage, many parents resolved to safeguard the hearts, souls and minds of their young.

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TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Education; History; Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: education; govtabuse; homeschool; moralabsolutes; obama; parentalrights
It's more important that our kids get into Heaven than Harvard.
1 posted on 01/22/2013 9:53:48 AM PST by billflax
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To: billflax

Too bad we can’t opt-out of the property taxes which go mostly to the publik schools.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 9:59:04 AM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: billflax

I don’t see any of the members of the FRTU here yet. But it’s still early.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 10:02:39 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: billflax
I dont’ think homeschooling guarantees or prohibits either.

One big advantage of homeschooling is the ability of a child to really focus on an activity and expand their expertise. This can be quite attractive to any number of Ivy league schools.

A very good friend of my daughter discovered she LOVED languages. In her Sophomore year, she transitioned to home schooling to allow her to really concentrate on languages not offered at any public school. She became proficient in about 4 and gained a working knowledge in several others.

Full ride to Yale.

Nice

4 posted on 01/22/2013 10:03:27 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: billflax
The swelling legions of homeschoolers poke a subtle rebuke at America’s ever expanding nanny state.

I STRONGLY disagree... It's not subtle at all.

Probably this is reason no. 1 why my wife and I chose to homeschool.

5 posted on 01/22/2013 10:06:37 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: billflax

I wonder how long before they try to ban home schools?

I think home schoolers should get property tax exemptions


6 posted on 01/22/2013 10:12:28 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: billflax
"The God-fearing, flag-waiving, gun-toting homeschool crowd...."

Great post.
Never been around a nicer bunch of people. Of course, there are loons - but they are few and far between. Although you wouldn't know it going by the lame-stream media.

7 posted on 01/22/2013 10:12:36 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: SoftballMominVA

and at Yale she got liberal indoctrination probably


8 posted on 01/22/2013 10:13:58 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: fattigermaster; Gabz; SoftballMominVA; shag377
I don’t see any of the members of the FRTU here yet. But it’s still early.

We did get in early to defend you all against the MSM over the shooting incident yesterday.

9 posted on 01/22/2013 10:16:03 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: billflax

First: all parents homeschool until they turn their child over to progressive professionals for indoctrination into leftist society. You may not think your sweet 1st grade teacher intends on doing that but she must use materials approved by the State, have a lesson plan that complies with State standards, and must bring your child along in the topics that matter to the committee of elites who grant both her and her school credentials.

My wife and I homeschooled and our goal was always to give our children an adequate basis of morality and character so they could successfully resist the indoctrination of others with their own agendas. In this we were successful.

Second: Homeschooling is not for every parent and it is not necessarily for the entire 13 years. My wife and I homeschooled for 10 years until the subject matter became too demanding. But when we consulted with the local public school district, upon their own evaluation they wanted to place our daughter fully two grades ahead of her age peers.

What does this say about the norms of public school performance? When an entire education system debilitates children by about two years, after they graduate this deficiency continues and affects job performance and citizenship. America is being dumbed down so educrats can give themselves high marks for barely meeting their own lowered standards.

One advantage to home schooling is that the parents get to revisit topics they had long neglected. Nothing reinforces knowledge like having to teach it again!

The first question I got about homeschooling while we were active in it was “what about socialization”?

This question always puzzled me. If parents don’t move during the years their child attends public school, that child stays in the same age cohort for a dozen years. Talk about socialization! Their child spends more time with those children than with any other group, so of course group and peer pressure becomes significant in shaping child character and morality.

In my experience, children who are homeschooled interact with such a wide variety of people that the people they consider their “peers” have a far wider rage of ages and backgrounds. In my daughters case, when she got to be older, some of her “peers” were even the parents of other homeschool children with whom she interacted as we shared field trips and specialized lessons with.

If at all possible, home school your children for as long as you can. But of course each child is different as is each parent’s abilities and circumstances.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 10:19:25 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: billflax

We’ve been telling the State to stick it for 18 years. Two down, two to go.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 10:26:11 AM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: GeronL

I think home schoolers should get property tax exemptions


I’m not totally against this idea.

But what about taxpayers with no children ?


12 posted on 01/22/2013 10:28:55 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: billflax

I would not be surprised if homeschooling is in the gun sights of this administration.


13 posted on 01/22/2013 10:44:04 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: maine yankee

good question.

No kids doesn’t mean will never have or never had them though.

Vouchers will just have the government putting their crap into private schools sooner or later.


14 posted on 01/22/2013 10:44:14 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: I want the USA back
I would not be surprised if homeschooling is in the gun sights of this administration.

It's been in the gunsights since Clinton, when he tried to force the certification of "all teachers." We shut down the congressional switchboard, and that was the end of that.

Most people think the movement is now too big, with homeschoolers numbering an estimated 2 million children. But I expect an assault before the regime ends, particularly if the commies take the House.

15 posted on 01/22/2013 10:51:26 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I’m waiting for one of our well educated homeschooled kids to grow up and get into politics, and make mincemeat out of some public skooled jerk on the stump.

Homeschooling is awesome, but I’m hoping one day it pays big ...i’ve always said that one day our homeschooled youngsters will be the ones to save us.

Homeschooled my own for a collective total of 6 years ... wouldn’t have traded that time for anything.


16 posted on 01/22/2013 10:55:05 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: billflax

We homeschooled and never regretted it. Our daughter is about to graduate college in May with conservative principles intact and her faith in the Lord as strong as ever.


17 posted on 01/22/2013 10:56:56 AM PST by Texas56
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To: billflax

We’re trying to get ours into a Montessori school.
Anyone here in GA interested in proving their support for vouchers by redirecting their state tax money to this school? (and getting a federal tax break in the process!) See http://PayItForwardScholarships.com ... if we can’t get enough redirected to this $-for-$ donation, public school may be the only choice. FReepmail me if interested.


18 posted on 01/22/2013 11:07:58 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: billflax

In the last few decades sending your child to government indoctrination centers, if you had any other options, is tantamount to child abuse and neglect.

If any of us are foolish enough to believe we can out vote a population that spent K-12 being spoon fed liberal garbage and then possibly going on to higher learning with institutions packed to the rafters with self avowed socialists and communists, you are insane.

If this country is EVER to be placed back on the brilliant track set forth by the Founders, then we will, at bare minimum have to spend the same number of decades teaching our youth reality and truth not liberal lies which only serve to hide liberal failures.

IMO, without an all out effort to destroy the public school system by removing our children from their clutches, this country is forever lost. We certainly will not have the equipment for a Thomas Jefferson moment as government is making sure they infringe on the 2nd Amendment. And they have evisceration the 4th and 5th and in conjunction with mudslimes will eviscerate the 1st Amendment.


19 posted on 01/22/2013 11:20:10 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: billflax
It's more important that our kids get into Heaven than Harvard.

The irony is that aiming for the former will often result in the latter.

Take at hazard one hundred children of several educated generations and one hundred uneducated children of the people and compare them in anything you please; in strength, in agility, in mind, in the ability to acquire knowledge, even in morality—and in all respects you are startled by the vast superiority on the side of the children of the uneducated.

— Count Leo Tolstoy, "Education and Children" (1862)

It terrifies me that so many conservatives believe in compulsory schooling, even after having attended.
20 posted on 01/22/2013 11:21:46 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: GeronL
and at Yale she got liberal indoctrination probably

Assuming is never good. She is a missionary in one of the Balkan states for her church. Assembly of God demonination.

21 posted on 01/22/2013 11:22:58 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: verga; fattigermaster; Gabz; shag377

I live my life without regrets or worrying what small-minded keyboard kommandos think or don’t think about me.


22 posted on 01/22/2013 11:25:52 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: fattigermaster

What does FRTU stand for?


23 posted on 01/22/2013 11:50:36 AM PST by EEGator
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Most people think the movement is now too big, with homeschoolers numbering an estimated 2 million children. But I expect an assault before the regime ends, particularly if the commies take the House.

This regime does not care about numbers. He is going after the NRA which has an estimated membership of around 4 million.

He has voted against vouchers and ended the program in D.C. that allowed lower income children to attend private schools. What makes you think that he doesn't already have something in the works?

Like Glenn Beck says: Watch what the left hand is doing.

24 posted on 01/22/2013 11:58:48 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: EEGator

Free Republic Teacher’s Union. Any title with “homeschooling” draws their attention like thrown bread brings seagulls.


25 posted on 01/22/2013 12:12:53 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: SoftballMominVA; GeronL
SoftballMominVA: Good to see you here!

My wife attended and graduated Yale. She arrived as one who was a "progressive" antiwar, fallen away Christian, anti-everything worthwhile. By the time she was a sophomore, she was a committed conservative and by graduation was ready to be received into the Catholic Faith. Today she is more conservative than I am. Needless to say, she was not converted by her professors. Instead, the influences that made the difference were her own native intelligence and the presence in the Yale student body of a substantial number of knowledgeable and principled conservatives, eager to reach out to other students and persuade them.

The young lady you have referenced should seek out the Party of the Right of the Yale Political Union where she will find conservatives ranging from atheist libertarians and Randians to religious conservatives of various persuasions who are united in opposition to the Yale left. The POR gets together for debates and socializing about once a week and provides an education that often exceeds the more formal education at Yale.

As you may recall, my wife homeschooled our elder children and then has been teaching many subjects at a parent-controlled private Catholic K-12 academy which may graduate its first Ivy Leaguer (Harvard) this year.

I also know that Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and Dartmouth, at least, each have their own conservative "undergrounds" often catering to hard-core Catholics but also quite open to participation by others from atheists to Fundamentalists. A student with religious commitment and/or conservative commitment is likely to hone his/her polemical skills in debate with non-believers or other sorts of believers and come away with even deeper commitment.

GeronL:

At Yale and probably the other Ivies, conservative or seriously religious undergraduates resist the zeitgeist and display effective contempt for profs and instructors who try to indoctrinate them to the left. The real killing fields at the Ivies are the faculties where few conservatives survive. Nonetheless, Professor Donald Kagan, Yale's truly conservative and most conservative professor (Ancient History) and himself a member of the Party of the Right, was chosen to be Dean of Yale College in relatively recent years. He had also served for a while as Athletic Director. My suburban Republican Town Committee had Professor Kagan as a Lincoln Day Dinner Speaker on the subject of how Ronald Reagan's candidacy for POTUS converted previously lifelong socialist Donald Kagan into a political right-winger.

26 posted on 01/22/2013 12:14:58 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: theBuckwheat
Good post....and had similar experience.

HS'd two..from K thru 12...Back in 89 to 05..I guess.

They are both great kids.

27 posted on 01/22/2013 12:17:06 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Count?


28 posted on 01/22/2013 12:23:11 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: fattigermaster

Thank you, I don’t read many of the homeschooling threads.


29 posted on 01/22/2013 12:28:16 PM PST by EEGator
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To: fattigermaster

Free Republic Teacher’s Union

not a member of a teacher’s union - never have been, never will be


30 posted on 01/22/2013 12:38:59 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: BlackElk

Hey BlackElk

I havent’ had contact with this young lady for probably 2 years. But at a Christmas party in I think ‘10, she told me I would be surprised at the number of conservative groups at Yale.

She’s a great young lady and doing good work in a tough area.


32 posted on 01/22/2013 1:17:00 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Osage Orange
Count?

I don't know what a count is, and I didn't know that he was, but apparently he was.

33 posted on 01/22/2013 1:26:48 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Osage Orange

In Western European tradition, a “count” is a fairly important hereditary nobleman. England calls them “Earls,” and in the high middle ages they were the highest level of rural, landowning, war-fighting nobility.

In Russia, practically every ethnic Russian who wasn’t a dirt-grubbing peasant was hereditary nobility. There was no unity of titles, as we see in England, where there is only one Earl of Lincoln, and he holds the title until his death, whereupon only one heir because the new Earl. In Russia, all the children of a Prince are princes/princesses, to the Nth generation. All the children of a count are counts/countesses. The place was just swarming with titled hordes of people who couldn’t hold a real job because of their status, but maybe couldn’t feed themselves, either. Good for novels ;-).

Lev Tolstoy’s title means he had a landed estate (on which he perpetrated many agricultural and social experiments) but he really wasn’t much of anybody, until his success as a writer.


34 posted on 01/22/2013 1:41:11 PM PST by Tax-chick (Viva Cristo Rey! Viva la Virgen de Guadalupe!)
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To: theBuckwheat
Precollegiate schooling via the parents is terrible inefficient.

It ignores the simple economic principle of the division of labor and indicates a breakdown in social trust.

It's too bad many of us have no other choice.

35 posted on 01/22/2013 2:13:11 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

terribly


36 posted on 01/22/2013 2:15:50 PM PST by cornelis
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To: fattigermaster

“Free Republic Teacher’s Union” for real? I’ve been a freeper for a while, how did I miss them.


37 posted on 01/22/2013 2:16:27 PM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: foundedonpurpose
“Free Republic Teacher’s Union” for real? I’ve been a freeper for a while, how did I miss them.

You didn't miss anything, no such "group" exists. It is a derogatory reference to anyone that may either have a connection with pubic schools or doesn't always agree with the idea that home schooling is the only way children should be educated.

38 posted on 01/22/2013 3:04:30 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Tax-chick
Interesting.....

Thanks-

39 posted on 01/22/2013 3:19:26 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Gabz
derogatory reference

How is that "derogatory"?

40 posted on 01/22/2013 3:21:38 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: elpinta
Too bad we can’t opt-out of the property taxes which go mostly to the publik schools.

That is a damn shame...

41 posted on 01/22/2013 3:27:50 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: elpinta
Too bad we can’t opt-out of the property taxes which go mostly to the publik schools.

I am privileged to be paying property taxes in two states, roughly the same amount in each state. Aren't I the lucky one?

P.S. I have no children, hence no grandchildren in school. I get to pay for the schooling of other people's children.

42 posted on 01/22/2013 5:35:24 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: billflax

If parents do it right and the children are smart, they can homeschool Harvard bound children.

My son moved through material at lighting speed once he got hold of himself and became focused and engaged in learning. Homeschool is designed to go slow or fast - it depends on a child’s ability and engagement. I am alright at math, but I decided to bring in a Harvard student to do advanced math with him a couple of times each week for a year in eighth grade. He did practical lessons on his own with me and his dad each day between tutoring sessions. It was like they were playing math more than anything. My son seriously benifited from that encounter. What a gift and it was not all that costly to us.

We may have ruined the Harvard guy because he realized his gift of teaching and was thinking about going into education. I advised him to get and day job in the career he planned and homeschool his own children in math. There is no comparison between teaching an intellegent and engaged homeschool student and “teaching” in public herdschool. When I told my husband, he called him up and to him to knock it off. Idealism does not compute in the long run.


43 posted on 01/22/2013 6:16:17 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: cornelis

If economic efficiency was the only criteria, given my opportunity costs, it is less expensive for me to hire a high school student to educate my child than for me do do it myself.

But speaking of efficiency, while in theory we should let professionals handle this, in some urban school districts it costs IN EXCESS OF ONE MILLION DOLLARS to graduate a single child who is competent at their grade level in all required subjects.

The goal of our family effort was first to convey godly values to our child and to help them to develop the character that would serve them well in life. Secondarily was book knowledge. The former was a parental obligation that cannot be subcontracted out, especially to people who as a self-selected profession are hostile to godly values. [see 1]

[1] TEACHERS GROUP RECRUITS BILL AYERS FOR CONFERENCE KEYNOTE, http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/01/18/teachers-group-recruits-bill-ayers-for-conference-keynote/


44 posted on 01/23/2013 9:05:55 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: OldPossum

My children were home schooled; my grandchildren are/will be (one has for two years, the other is joining the ranks next year).

And no, you are not paying for any ‘schooling’ you/me are paying for ‘indoctrination’ and I have an issue with blood pressure so I will leave it at that!


45 posted on 01/23/2013 2:52:38 PM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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