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Can we prevent an open civil war?
self | 01/23/2013 | reluctantwarrior

Posted on 01/23/2013 8:26:55 PM PST by reluctantwarrior

Can we wait four years to defend the constitution with force of arms?<>

Yes, if we launch a massive ground campaign to retake the senate in 2014 through electing Tea Party conservatives<>

Yes, if the House keeps gun control at bay until 2014 and we hold the House majority<>

Yes, if a million new folks join the NRA before the end of 2013 and pledge to vote for pro gun candidates<>

No, if we wait and see what happens in 2014


TOPICS: Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: elections; guncontrol; guns; revolution; secondamendment; teaparty
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1 posted on 01/23/2013 8:27:03 PM PST by reluctantwarrior
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To: reluctantwarrior

Shame on anyone wanting to ask about open civil war before we completely discuss the peaceful alternative, a Constitutional Convention.


2 posted on 01/23/2013 8:30:56 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: reluctantwarrior

At this point ... do we want to prevent one?


3 posted on 01/23/2013 8:31:20 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: reluctantwarrior

Personally I think it would be in the sake of the best interest and some saber rattling to just hold a nationwide exercise sponsored by the Tea Party to ask for local militia volunteers of a specified err rather “regulated” type so as to lay the initial groundwork of actually defending the 2A.

problem is we should be openly considering options just the same as a country like North Korea testing nukes, we should be testing out ability to adhere to the groundwork of the 2A.

Either that or we all become cricket farmers.


4 posted on 01/23/2013 8:32:25 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: theBuckwheat

Shame on me then, shame on you if one happens because we shy away from a discussion of how to keep the peace


5 posted on 01/23/2013 8:33:14 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: reluctantwarrior

The RATs may keep the White Hut for decades. The country’s only chance is to stock the Senate and House with conservative majorities.


6 posted on 01/23/2013 8:33:34 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: reluctantwarrior

Aww that’s cute. You think voting can actually change things.


7 posted on 01/23/2013 8:34:16 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: theBuckwheat

OK. I’ll “bite”.

How would/could this change things?


8 posted on 01/23/2013 8:35:49 PM PST by gettinolder (Pursue the enemy relentlessly to the limit of every man's endurance.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I served for 32 years 2 months and 20 days. In that time I fought several different enemies in several different regions and all of them never really recovered from hostilities. If we fight a civil war we will not be the US ever again. For some this is a good outcome but as for me I yearn for a rebirth of these United States.


9 posted on 01/23/2013 8:38:03 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: reluctantwarrior
Yes, if a million new folks join the NRA before the end of 2013 and pledge to vote for pro gun candidates<>

BS! The NRA kept the Senate in Democrat control in 2010, and got Harry Reid re-elected.

10 posted on 01/23/2013 8:38:46 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: theBuckwheat

I don’t think the problem is the language of the current constitution, but the quality of the men that are currently governing us under it. Nonetheless it is an intriguing idea to organize a Constitutional Convention, make suggestions for changes,and then submit them to the various states for consideration. I offer up my home state, Missouri, located in the geographic center of the lower 48, as a venue for same.
It worked over 200 years ago, maybe it would help now.


11 posted on 01/23/2013 8:40:58 PM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: gettinolder

Majorities in both houses allows impeachment and trials to progress. It allows laws and regs to be repealed. A long train of usurpations before the gravest of choices or our kids will not forgive us. Lets use the ballot box before the cartridge box at least one more time.


12 posted on 01/23/2013 8:41:49 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: theBuckwheat

Are you out of your freaking mind? A ConCon with the bastards that currently inhabit DC? They would just assume vote on scrapping the Constitution altogether first...


13 posted on 01/23/2013 8:42:44 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: meadsjn

Criticism is greatly appreciated but suggestions carry the most weight in a discussion.What would you do?


14 posted on 01/23/2013 8:44:19 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: reluctantwarrior

Obama doesn’t want to avoid a civil war. He wants to be Lincoln. He thinks he will win it.


15 posted on 01/23/2013 8:45:01 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: reluctantwarrior

-— I yearn for a rebirth of these United States. ——

I don’t forsee a hot civil war, but I’m afraid of a 100 year trough, like in Argentina. The loss of prosperity is one thing, but it’s the waste of human potential that saddens me the most.


16 posted on 01/23/2013 8:45:10 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: reluctantwarrior

The Senate is a symptom of a bigger problem. They are the waiter serving spaghetti and butter to a honey boo boo nation. We need to change the country. This involves taking back our schools, taking back the media and taking back the country. Starting in our homes then our neighborhoods, churches, schools, cities, counties, states, then country. We won’t accomplish anything if we don’t change the mindset of the country.


17 posted on 01/23/2013 8:46:17 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ClearCase_guy

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” — Thomas Jefferson


18 posted on 01/23/2013 8:46:49 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: theBuckwheat
Shame on anyone wanting to ask about open civil war before we completely discuss the peaceful alternative, a Constitutional Convention.

And you don't think the Alinskyites would be in charge of the CC because?

19 posted on 01/23/2013 8:46:58 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Lurker

Yes I still believe in elections.


20 posted on 01/23/2013 8:46:58 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

I’m in!


21 posted on 01/23/2013 8:47:40 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: reluctantwarrior
Not unless you can figure out how to refill EBT cards on a mass scale!

0m0slem stops the refill, and blames whitey. What do ya thinks gonna happen?

Face facts. He's got a hair trigger army of cannon fodder ready to burn.

22 posted on 01/23/2013 8:47:45 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: reluctantwarrior

What realistic scenario do you foresee?
Have you heard of Waco or of Ruby Ridge?


23 posted on 01/23/2013 8:48:30 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: theBuckwheat

Assuming the results of a convention are good, why wouldn’t they just ignore those laws, too? The answer for how to get them to abide by the Constitution is not another constitution.


24 posted on 01/23/2013 8:49:06 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: reluctantwarrior

Might be premature but apparently Alabama is now under control by Homeland Security according to a new thread just posted.

If true, which I’m skeptical then its too late to vote.


25 posted on 01/23/2013 8:49:45 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: reluctantwarrior

What you believe in is irrelevant. Elections no longer believe in you.


26 posted on 01/23/2013 8:50:30 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: reluctantwarrior

If there were not enough people motivated to vote O hole out of office, good luck finding enough willing to take up arms! Lol!


27 posted on 01/23/2013 8:51:56 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I foresee a lot of brave talk, and an entirely peaceful descent into our version of Peronism, from which there is no return despite all the misery it brings. As you said, Argentina. The parallels are all there before our eyes.


28 posted on 01/23/2013 8:53:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: reluctantwarrior
If we fight a civil war we will not be the US ever again.

Having grown up in the 50's and 60's, I already see that the US as it was will never be again.

The Kenyan is only accelerating the descent into whatever sceneario he has in mind. The massive vote fraud has me convinced there can be no going back in a civilized manner at this point.

What is going to happen, no idea, but I am convinced there will never again be the America I grew up in. The powers that be are too entrenched to allow that with any sort of peaceful resolution.

One of the few things to be thankful for about getting old and not having children.

29 posted on 01/23/2013 8:55:08 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Revolting cat!

If we sit on our hands to hurry the turmoil along then we will probably see red flag events like a Waco or Ruby Ridge then the feds will have a real reason to call for disarmament. Waco and RR should of led to some type of open demonstrations against federal abuse of power there was some but not enough in my opinion. I call them red flag because if the feds do it again it may spark an open fight. I want to elect majorities and return US to rep. republic through dismantling the federal govt


30 posted on 01/23/2013 8:55:57 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: reluctantwarrior

Ballots will not produce nourishment for the tree of Liberty.


31 posted on 01/23/2013 8:58:12 PM PST by DonnerT (After all is said and done, it is God's Will that will be done.)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

A Constitutional Convention cannot be controlled ... it would be hijacked by the Leftist. And the Agenda cannot be limited ... once the liberals / leftists succeed in a hijacking - then the 1st. and 2nd. Amendments will be eliminated...


32 posted on 01/23/2013 9:01:27 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: reluctantwarrior
Criticism is greatly appreciated but suggestions carry the most weight in a discussion.What would you do?

Giving money to the NRA is not a solution.

33 posted on 01/23/2013 9:02:39 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: stylecouncilor

To paraphrase David Crockett: “You all can go to Hell. I’m going to South Carolina!”


34 posted on 01/23/2013 9:03:09 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

“It worked over 200 years ago, maybe it would help now.”

Bad idea, on steroids!

“Low information voters” = end of the above idea.


35 posted on 01/23/2013 9:03:30 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: allmendream

I am calling for civil disobedience and politicking to return conservatives or strict constructionists to the house and senate. I want to undo the NFA of 1934, I do not want a civil war. If it is too late for elections and politicking then you are correct, all the PX commandos sounding off about this in this thread will bitch and moan and stay home.


36 posted on 01/23/2013 9:03:39 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Eye of Unk

That post about Alabama is total bunk ...


37 posted on 01/23/2013 9:04:36 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: meadsjn

Ok, but what would you do? I know you dislike the NRA, but what would you do?


38 posted on 01/23/2013 9:05:45 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Michael Barnes

I agree. The LAST thing we want is a “Constitutional Convention”. That garbage that would come out of that fiasco would be intolerable and cause a civil war.


39 posted on 01/23/2013 9:07:26 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: theBuckwheat
“Shame on anyone wanting to ask about open civil war before we completely discuss the peaceful alternative, a Constitutional Convention.”

Why would you want a Constitutional Convention? And do what there? Say, “we really mean it you can't take our guns?” There is nothing wrong with the constitution - there is something wrong with having a Muslim communist as president who wants to disarm us. If by any means Hussein tries to forcibly remove our guns, there will be civil war as we exercise our 2nd amendment right.

40 posted on 01/23/2013 9:09:10 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: reluctantwarrior
Ok, but what would you do? I know you dislike the NRA, but what would you do?

For whom are you collecting this information?

We had elections in 2010 and 2012 (or at least pretended).

None of us knows exactly what our future holds.

41 posted on 01/23/2013 9:11:19 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: reluctantwarrior

By June 1st it won’t matter anymore...TPTB will have taken to their hidey holes as events have over taken them, and mucht of the US too.


42 posted on 01/23/2013 9:12:32 PM PST by abigkahuna (I have achieved the goal of semi-literacy through public schooling.)
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To: meadsjn

Im asking on my own behalf, I am trying to generate enthusiasm for politicking and civil disobedience as an alternative to open war before we give up on the republic. 100k freepers registering ten freeping lurkers or squishy moderates as republicans and getting them to the polls keeps the peace and moves us a small ways back to a representative republic.


43 posted on 01/23/2013 9:17:12 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: reluctantwarrior
Photobucket The democrats have their matrix for elections.... Lie, Steal, and divide... We will never have another honest election again.
44 posted on 01/23/2013 9:17:22 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: clintonh8r

Or if that fails, continue stacking state houses and senates with conservatives, and elect conservative governors who’ll just say “no” to the president. If one state did this, he’d find a way to crush it, but if several banded together... Obama would have a problem.


45 posted on 01/23/2013 9:17:48 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: reluctantwarrior

Mark


46 posted on 01/23/2013 9:20:12 PM PST by sport
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To: reluctantwarrior

Only by surrendering. Only by docially getting into the cattle cars. Other that that, no we can’t. They intend to wipe us out. The ball is now in our court.


47 posted on 01/23/2013 9:22:53 PM PST by sport
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To: reluctantwarrior

Some of us don’t want to! It’s time to put this nation back on course with the Constitution!


48 posted on 01/23/2013 9:24:12 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: baddog 219

I would prefer a gathering of RKBA supporters as one earlier post mentioned all across the US to show that there are more of us than the chicken shyte gun grabbers and we won’t be pushed any further. A national call for the repeal of both the 1934 and 1986 gun laws limiting select fire weapons might be a good counter narrative.


49 posted on 01/23/2013 9:24:12 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Viennacon

Those overworked democrats in offices really should enjoy some fun in the sand.

I know of some tropical islands in the pacific that would be a great vacation getaway.

For about 6 months.

All of them.

No whiners, no excuses you all have been good loyal progressive leaders and America is rewarding you, whether you like it or not, take a vacation.


50 posted on 01/23/2013 9:30:02 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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