And if we’d just look the other way on abortion, more democrats would like us.

LOL

Your point is valid. However, in the real world adults have to make decessions on the bases of reality, not on how they would like things to be.

I would ask why do you make so many straw assumptions in your question? You are not the first person on the planet to figure out the flaws in the GOP. Ronald Reagan was like 55 years ahead of you, and his answer was to change the GOP, not pretend reality is something else. Why do you assume the GOP is conservative and why do you continue to support them?

I don't assume anything, except that where there ARE conservatives in office, they ARE Republican.

In he past 10 years the GOP has done nothing to prove they are a conservative alternative to the leftist democrats.

NOTHING is preposterous, since they all voted against Obama Care, as one example.

They crow about fiscal restraint but GWB pushed the national debt to 10 trillion( don't throw out the Obama raised it 16, we know and it's not an answer).

In case you haven't figured it out, this is not Bush's party anymore and it hasn't been for a number of years. The Tea Party was very much against Bush, so again, why do you assume arrogantly you are the first person to ever figure this out. The GOP is awful, the Democrats are EVIL, and those are your choices.

He started wars without congressional approval,...

Bush got Congressional approval for the use of force for both Iraq, and Afghanistan. What you probably mean is a declaration of war from Congress.

5.56mm

I follow your reasoning.

Some of it is valid, and many of us in here are ready to mve away from the Republican party, we only need a good alternative to run to.

Sop far I am ot impressed with Libertarians.

Democrats want jobless benefits in “cliff” deal
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what DON”T they want and what WON’T the gop give them?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2966922/posts?page=2#2

So who are you now Cybil?

Number of electoral votes won by the Libertarian Party since 1972:

1.

Reality is a pain in the ass, huh?

(R) and (D) are like Coke and Pepsi; they use different marketing games, but in a blind taste test it is hard to tell the difference. While they have some different basic ingredients, they are happy with their respective shares of the voter market and they will ferociously work together to keep competitors at bay.

The few exceptions to this rule are either indoctrinated and programmed to go along with the beltway culture, or they are ripped apart by their own parties and media minions.

However, in the real world adults have to make decessions on the bases of reality, not on how they would like things to be.

These so-called adults step away from a 15-foot-long alligator and stand next to a 12-foot-long alligator and call it "reasonable." It never occurs to them to get out of the swamp.

Unfortunately, short-sightedness is epidemic among Americans.

Maybe if more "conservatives" would stop worrying about what I ingest, who I marry and the like and examine what their party represents there could be a sea change in the country with 2 true competing visions for America. One based on free people, free minds and free markets and one based on planned markets, less freedom.

In the first place, who you marry means a great deal on this website. Be careful.

In the second place, the Ancient Charges show that the Craft represents "the centre of good men and true, and the happy means of conciliating friendship amongst those who must otherwise have remained at a perpetual distance".

Attacking those who choose to believe the teachings of the Supreme Architect of the Universe, whose Word is presumably open on your altar in open Lodge, does not accomplish this charge.

Let the GOP leadership know what you think (there’s a place to do so at the end of their questionnaire): http://growthopp.gop.com/default.aspx

Why do you assume the GOP is conservative and why do you continue to support them?

We don't, and we don't.

Pay attention.

He is the challenge for you. Small “l” libertarian philosophy has a lot of positives but the big “L” Libertarian Party has been a complete wreck, not only in its inability to get any electoral movement but its constantly setting aside the small “l” philosophies for whatever whim and conspiracy they want to hock up.

As Ayn Rand put it, they are the ‘hippies of the right who trade reason for whims and capitalism for anarchy’ (paraphrased).

Yea, the Republican party has many faults. They aren’t big “C” Conservative champions, but they are more conservative than Dems. They are our party and all we have going for us now unless there are some major seed changes. They have brought us faults (like the deficits you mentioned but failed to mention most of that was from Democrat written budgets) but they have also brought us people like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul (who, thank God is not his father), Louie Gohmert, and others who are winning elections and standing on principle. Much more than the Libertarian Party has ever brought us.

The D's want to control your morals and values.

The two military actions were voted on and approved by congress.

As far as debt is concerned I am still waiting for a candidate and I don't care which party who will directly address government pensions. You fix that problem and our debt problem becomes completely manageable.

Why do you assume the GOP is conservative and why do you continue to support them?

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I’m a conservative. I dumped the R party when they controlled both houses and the executive office and still spent like drunken sailors.

I held my nose and voted for them but after the last election I’m even done with that. I’m now a proud member of the Prepper party.

I’m with perdogg.

The reality is that we have a two-party system. While there are notable one-time cases of a "third party" of one type or another pulling a large enough block of votes to potentially sway an election, they are few and far between.

Put in short, the Libertarian Party is not a serious party, nor is any who tires to work their way from the Presidency downward, rather than the local level upward. You want to be a serious option? Build up an organization at the precinct level upwards. The same could be said for the Constitution Party, whose policies, I might add, are a lot more in line with conservatism than the Libertarians are.

The GOP is disappointing, but as noted above, it is the only place where conservatives actually get elected. We as conservatives need to do a better job wresting control away from the "go along to get along" crowd, not leave to join a political party doomed to failure for lack of understanding political organization.

that analogy is absurd. But I’ll help you out.

Choice A: a 20 foot alligator, with its mouth over our head.

Choice B: a 6 foot alligator a quarter of a mile away.

Both suck, but they are not in any way shape or form proportionately similar.
Grow up.

He started wars without congressional approval

Next point, I am sure you know this isn't true. President Bush got Congressional approval for both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Second, based on your screen name I assume you are a risen brother. If so, how do you justify being a Freemason with being a Libertarian who is one of the foremost groups spreading falsities about our fraternity. They have demonized who we are and what we stand for more than almost anyone. If you find any conspiracy theory about us, the roots are almost always a libertarian leaning site or writer.