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AR-15 Rifle or the so-called "Assault Weapon" was not used in Newtown
MSNBC ^ | Dec 15, 2012 erroneous video report

Posted on 01/26/2013 3:13:31 PM PST by agondonter

Edited on 01/26/2013 3:25:39 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: ar15rifle; assualtweapon; banglist; guncontrol; newtown; notagain; sandyhook; sandyhooktruthers; secondamendment; tinfoil
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1 posted on 01/26/2013 3:13:41 PM PST by agondonter
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To: agondonter

It no longer matters. The MSM narrative has been written, the public has their beliefs formed and no amount of evidence and facts to the contrary will change them.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 3:15:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: agondonter

Ok, so this is about the 115th story on whether or not the AR was used, every story has been different, the media is such a joke.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 3:16:49 PM PST by ohiobuckeye1997
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To: agondonter

Could be true, but the local authorities have said otherwise a few days ago.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 3:18:13 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: GeronL

I’m sorry but it does matter - now if the Republicans would just get off their arses and let every know.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 3:19:04 PM PST by wewereright
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To: agondonter

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

** UPDATE **

STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber— model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

This case remains under investigation.

Lt. J. Paul Vance


6 posted on 01/26/2013 3:20:01 PM PST by OCMike
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To: agondonter

What difference does it make?


7 posted on 01/26/2013 3:20:32 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: wewereright

I am sure the Republicans care, somewhat I am sure they have added it to their list for after they cave on debt ceiling, spending, illegal aliens and such.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 3:20:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: agondonter
It was a Saiga 12-gauge found in the trunk. No ifs, ands or butts..

It's got the pistol grip + stock handle that you can see in the photo.

9 posted on 01/26/2013 3:22:27 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: agondonter

Your link doesn’t work.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 3:22:47 PM PST by Jean S
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To: steve86
What difference does it make?

It doesn't. Lanza could have used a squirrel rifle in his rampage.

11 posted on 01/26/2013 3:23:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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And this also...
State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle

Read more: http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php#ixzz2J7uDCuwm

http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php


12 posted on 01/26/2013 3:23:50 PM PST by OCMike
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To: OCMike

Why would there be a rifle and 2 handguns? He can’t even carry all those at the same time. Which one was he shooting with? What did the autopsies show?


13 posted on 01/26/2013 3:24:02 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: agondonter
You put in incorrect date in the header.

Aired on December 15, 2012

14 posted on 01/26/2013 3:25:38 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: agondonter

Settling this should be easy....just release the autopsy report, specifying the caliber of bullet that killed the victims.


15 posted on 01/26/2013 3:25:43 PM PST by Bratch
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To: agondonter

Why are you posting this old, debunked story?


16 posted on 01/26/2013 3:26:02 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Jean S

The link worked for me. I just used it to find the date.


17 posted on 01/26/2013 3:26:50 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: agondonter

The video at your link said to check nbcnews.com/shooting-update for an update

When I checked that link it redirected me to the video (linked below) where the medical examiner says all the wounds he’s checked so far were made by the long rifle:

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/50210025#50210025

Medical examiner: Rifle primary weapon used in shootings

Connecticut Chief Medical Examiner H. Wayne Carver provides an update to the media after he and his team examined the victims’ bodies at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown following Friday’s shootings.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 3:30:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: agondonter

Also, fire can’t melt steel. Back and to the left.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 3:32:58 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: agondonter

This is completely irrelevant to the whole point of the assault on the 2nd Amendment.

Feinstein is an elitist moron who knows jack about guns, less about the Constitution, and cares not a whit about any of it. If she gets her way, Mr. and Mrs. America will have no guns, and only she and her ruling class colleagues will have them all.

Kids and adults will continue dying, and Feinstein will be smug in her knowledge that she is that much closer to unopposed absolute power.


20 posted on 01/26/2013 3:33:16 PM PST by DPMD
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To: ohiobuckeye1997

This is a video from December 15th, and the video is marked indicating that there was an update later in the day.

Yes, back on the 15th, there were still multiple leaks from multiple sources saying different things.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 3:34:34 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: butterdezillion
Why would there be a rifle and 2 handguns? He can’t even carry all those at the same time.

ROTFLMAO

22 posted on 01/26/2013 3:35:52 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: butterdezillion
You need more practice there is no problem carrying two handguns and a rifle or a rifle and shotgun and two handguns.

It is just a matter of having the proper holsters and slings to make it happen.

23 posted on 01/26/2013 3:36:55 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: Bratch
just release the autopsy report, specifying the caliber of bullet that killed the victims.

I agree. However, has it been SOP to release the autopsy findings of victims in a massacre? Were they released for Aurora or Ft. Hood? If so, then the Newtown autopsy results should be released at some point.

If, for some reason, the Newtown autopsy results are not released or are redacted for some reason, they will be fanning the flames of conspiracy. If it's not SOP to do so, then someone should file a FOIA request to have them released for public consumption to put this whole thing to bed.

24 posted on 01/26/2013 3:37:58 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: butterdezillion

Have your heard of holsters and slings?


25 posted on 01/26/2013 3:40:05 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: OCMike

When they talk about an assault rifle, are they using the definition of a fully automatic rifle - that is, a powerful long-barrel rifle that sprays bullets as long as you have the trigger pressed? Is that what the Bushmaster is?


26 posted on 01/26/2013 3:41:36 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: agondonter

Another prime example of media using spin instead of facts!
They think they are in full control. Now we have a full scale strategy to overcome the Second Amendment, done by idiots and commies who will not wait for or believe actual facts. Now, we the people, must pay the price based on BS.


27 posted on 01/26/2013 3:45:06 PM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44)
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To: riverrunner

What would be the point? So he could fire more shots without having to reload? What stopped him from firing everything he had? Or did he fire them all? (I haven’t been following this story much).

And if so, then changing the magazine capacity limit isn’t going to stop somebody who’s prepared to wear 4 different guns.

Then again, having laws isn’t going to stop somebody who’s prepared to break the laws anyway.

What stops a shooter who’s firing at innocent people is being dropped by the gun of somebody else.


28 posted on 01/26/2013 3:49:24 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: al baby

I meant he can’t shoot them all at the same time. I guess he must have wanted higher capacity than just one would give him. Which shows that lowering the magazine capacity isn’t going to stop somebody bent on leaving a pile of dead bodies.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 3:52:44 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: agondonter; Longbow1969

Could it be that the information went public accurately until the media got their marching orders? And then they changed the facts.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 3:56:14 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: OCMike
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Got one of those myself.......er, I had one till I turned it in at a local gun buy-back program. They even gave me $50 bucks for it..........

31 posted on 01/26/2013 3:58:21 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Back and to the left. Back and to the left. Back and to the left...


32 posted on 01/26/2013 4:00:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Red Steel; steve86

He was going up against small children and un-armed elementary school teachers. He probably could have done nearly as much damage with a machete, and definitely could have done more damage with Molotov cocktails and homemade explosives.

The focus should be on arming willing teachers, custodians and staff, and on finding out why so many deranged leftist/democrats are on behavior modifying drugs and go on evil rampages... and how do we back these crazies down from their lunacy.


33 posted on 01/26/2013 4:04:02 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: wewereright

But the Speaker will cry after he finishes his Raleigh.


34 posted on 01/26/2013 4:18:27 PM PST by Shady (Libya shows us how Americans rate...)
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To: wewereright

Hillary: “What difference does it make now?” With an indignant dismissive tone to her voice. As in: “You peons don’t deserve to be in the same room with moi.” Just tryin’ to see who’s is bigger. I’m guessin’ hers.

Molon labe.


35 posted on 01/26/2013 4:29:22 PM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: agondonter

We will have to wait for the coroner’s report to determine which weapons were used; however, nearly all reports indicate the AR15 was the primary weapon used.

Listening to this old news report, it brings up the matter of whether Lanza was denied permission to purchase a rifle in the days leading up to the crime and whether he had some altercation with the staff the day before. Supposedly, both matters were debunked in later reports, but why would someone make those items up at the time? Was it someone just passing on an unfounded rumor or is their information being withheld from the public? I don’t know. Curious that we haven’t hear much from the investigators for a while.


36 posted on 01/26/2013 4:34:04 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

And multple errors by multiple incompetent reporters.


37 posted on 01/26/2013 4:34:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

$50 for a p226.... That would be the deal of the century. Lol.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 4:45:07 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

“Coroner’s report”?

Not sure of CT exactly but:

If such records were publicly available, one would make a request for each and inspect them in person, perhaps being allowed to pay a fee for copies of some documents. Death certificates are generally not available to the public.

I believe the ME has made several statements concerning only .223 wounds to the victims.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 4:46:18 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: agondonter

Huh?


40 posted on 01/26/2013 4:59:23 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: OCMike

Well thank God,....that easily clears that up. In a related message Paul Vance stated that pigs do fly regularly over Newtown, CT.


41 posted on 01/26/2013 5:01:22 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: ohiobuckeye1997

No, it’s not. The conspiracy buffs keep reposting the exact same NBC video from over a month ago, without disclosing that it is old, retracted news, because they want to confuse people.


42 posted on 01/26/2013 5:05:10 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: wewereright

It might matter if the story was current and true, but it’s neither.


43 posted on 01/26/2013 5:06:08 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: butterdezillion

“Why would there be a rifle and 2 handguns? He can’t even carry all those at the same time.”

Well, that’s why they invented holsters and slings.

“Which one was he shooting with? What did the autopsies show?”

He used the AR-15 on the victims, and one of the handguns on himself.


44 posted on 01/26/2013 5:08:53 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: agondonter
What was his motive?

Why did he choose this target? (Don't give me gun-free zone...!)

Why did his mother own an AR-15? Can Ryan or Peter Lanza confirm this?

The Wall Street Journal sent reporters out to all firing ranges within 50 miles of Newtown. They could not find anyone who had ever seen her. Why?

May we see a morgue photo of the shooter naked showing his fatal wound? Why not?

Can we please see video from any recording device of his breach of the school? Why not?

Can we see actual time-stamped photos of the guns used as they were found and recovered on the floor of the school? Why not?

Did he also smash his cell phone? Did he often search the web on his cell phone(s) or phone anyone? Can we se the information? Why not?

Can we see autopsy photos of the children? Can we see autopsy photos of Lanza and his mother? Why not?

Can we see a list of prescription and non-prescription or illegal drugs found in his possession or in the house? Why not?

Can we see actual car registration documents for him. His mother. Christopher Rodia. Why not?

Can we hear actual interviews with the police who captured a man outside the school? Why not? Can they identify him? Why not? Can we speak to him? Why not?

Why did Wolf Blitzer conduct an interview with the 'Phelps' are actually 'Crisis Actors' hired and used by Homeland Security and FEMA?? Why were they there? What is their actual identity?

And three hundred million other questions I could think of/

Was he cremated or embalmed? Where is the body? What was the final disposition of the body? Was a box screen done??

When was the last time he was actually seen prior to the shooting? Can anyone testify they actually saw him or contact with him?

Oh, what's the use.

45 posted on 01/26/2013 5:18:50 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: agondonter
What was his motive?

Why did he choose this target? (Don't give me gun-free zone...!)

Why did his mother own an AR-15? Can Ryan or Peter Lanza confirm this?

The Wall Street Journal sent reporters out to all firing ranges within 50 miles of Newtown. They could not find anyone who had ever seen her. Why?

May we see a morgue photo of the shooter naked showing his fatal wound? Why not?

Can we please see video from any recording device of his breach of the school? Why not?

Can we see actual time-stamped photos of the guns used as they were found and recovered on the floor of the school? Why not?

Did he also smash his cell phone? Did he often search the web on his cell phone(s) or phone anyone? Can we se the information? Why not?

Can we see autopsy photos of the children? Can we see autopsy photos of Lanza and his mother? Why not?

Can we see a list of prescription and non-prescription or illegal drugs found in his possession or in the house? Why not?

Can we see actual car registration documents for him. His mother. Christopher Rodia. Why not?

Can we hear actual interviews with the police who captured a man outside the school? Why not? Can they identify him? Why not? Can we speak to him? Why not?

Why did Wolf Blitzer conduct an interview with the 'Phelps' are actually 'Crisis Actors' hired and used by Homeland Security and FEMA?? Why were they there? What is their actual identity?

And three hundred million other questions I could think of/

Was he cremated or embalmed? Where is the body? What was the final disposition of the body? Was a tox screen done??

When was the last time he was actually seen prior to the shooting? Can anyone testify they actually saw him or contact with him?

Oh, what's the use.

46 posted on 01/26/2013 5:19:06 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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Perhaps this will help it is from the local newspaper:
http://www.newstimes.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4222299.php


47 posted on 01/26/2013 6:22:39 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: jjotto

“I believe the ME has made several statements concerning only .223 wounds to the victims”

Got a link for that???

There is a poster on this site that has info from an EMS person who said he saw a lot of 5.56 casings


48 posted on 01/26/2013 6:26:51 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I doubt an ME could tell the difference between .223 and 5.56 wound, and not many could tell the brass without very close examination.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html


49 posted on 01/26/2013 6:37:44 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I care not what gun was found wear BUT just because there is a picture of someone pulling a shotgun out of a trunk floating around on the internet means two things. Jack and Shit.

Any of that footage can be faked OR substituted. At this point I don't trust anyone involved. It may have actually been a shot gun in the trunk but with Obama running the show I wouldn't believe anything he said even if Jesus rode up to my house on a bicycle and give me his official okey dokey.

50 posted on 01/26/2013 6:45:33 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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