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Non violent resistance for gun owners. (And everybody else too!!)

Posted on 01/26/2013 10:09:29 PM PST by djf

Don't like the new laws and restrictions being proposed?


Call your county assessor!!!

TELL HIM YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAX!!!

TELL HIM WHY, EXACTLY!!!

IF YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH, GO TO THE COUNTY SEAT AND TELL THEM TO THEIR FACES!!!


See they really don't give a single dam about who wins the vote. No matter who wins, they just re-hash the same old crap over and over, it's just different jerks doing the rehashing!

But hit them in their pocketbooks and heads will roll!

This plan works even if you don't own property and live in an apartment, because if you call in anonymously, they don't have a clue who you are...

If you think this is a good idea, email it to folks. Spread it via Twitter or Facebook... whatever floats your boat!


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/26/2013 10:09:33 PM PST by djf
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To: djf

Doesn’t really work when property tax comes and the property taxes are paid.

And if they aren’t paid... well, I’m no expert, but I would think that following this advice could cause you a bit of trouble.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 10:13:55 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: djf

Right.

Just TRY not paying your property taxes - and you will find out who REALLY owns your house.

Stupid idea that will result in the loss of much more than those who are dumb enough to try - are probably willing to risk.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 10:18:04 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR; All

Has anyone ever come across year on year data on income tax evasion prosecution? Not on a dollar amount but a numbee of individuals that got a boot on their neck. I am considering changing my withholdings so I can keep what I earned and make a choice if I feel like reporting my taxes or not. I mean... really... hasn’t everyone had enough?

Oh, that’s right, it’s “patriotic to pay taxes”.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 10:31:34 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Jeff Winston; INVAR

In fact I think it takes a while before they can foreclose for non-payment of taxes. My neighbor got behind something like 3 years before he bit the bullet and paid.

Also, many of the sheriffs in this country have already plainly stated they DO NOT SUPPORT THESE NEW LAWS!
If someone was to foreclose on your property, it isn’t the local dog catcher. It’s THE SHERIFFS!!

But beyond that, to think they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, considering how many men lost fingers and toes and even worse on the Delaware, my question to you has got to be what the heck are you even doing here on FR?


5 posted on 01/26/2013 10:31:34 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

Really bad clarion call.

Don’t pay your taxes, lose yer property. Simple as that.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 10:33:21 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: djf
In fact I think it takes a while before they can foreclose for non-payment of taxes.

Your mileage will vary state to state, county to county. Here in Illinois they have an itchy trigger finger outside of the value-less south and West side of Chicago.

Pledging your lives doesn't mean being stupid. Even the original tea partiers had the good sense to don a disguise. It would be far more to the point to simply not comply with any new gun registration laws,playing dumb and stonewalling as needed, for example.
7 posted on 01/26/2013 10:37:26 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: djf

Why would this have any impact, when the property taxes are local taxes, and most of the gun laws are state and federal? Seems like you’re aiming at the wrong target.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 10:37:32 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: djf
But beyond that, to think they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, considering how many men lost fingers and toes and even worse on the Delaware, my question to you has got to be what the heck are you even doing here on FR?

They didn't fight stupidly - which in tactical terms your suggestion reeks.

When the tea was punitively taxed they didn't dump salt in the harbor. Of course in this age of Obamanation, if you do not like that your rent was raised due to rising property taxes, I suppose you could protest by refusing to pay for your food at the grocery store after walking out with it. See where that gets you.

9 posted on 01/26/2013 10:48:33 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: djf
Also, many of the sheriffs in this country have already plainly stated they DO NOT SUPPORT THESE NEW LAWS!

Exactly! Mine has. The one level of government I have almost zero problem with. Why would I want to start a fight with my county when the head LEO of it has declared himself on my side?

10 posted on 01/26/2013 11:13:01 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: djf

I’m not going to incur financial penalties, given my state is not going to go long with the Feds.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 11:24:34 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: INVAR

That’s why it is called real (”royal”) estate, as it all belongs to the crown.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 11:44:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: djf
In fact I think it takes a while before they can foreclose for non-payment of taxes.

In my county, in TX, if you don't pay, you will find your property being auctioned off before September..with the exception of Over 65's, and the disabled..

I've paid the taxes on my properties since I was in my 20's.. Being as I'm neither disabled or over 65, what makes you think I want to relocate to a cardboard box under a bridge?

13 posted on 01/27/2013 12:12:03 AM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: djf

Really bad advice. Every year I fight the fake inflated values they assess on my house and every year I lose. Every year, I call them crooks and thieves to their faces and every year they say have a nice day and take my money anyway. One of these days, I am going to move to a county which robs me less. Having said that, I think your advice is plum loco because I would rather live in my gated community being overtaxed and somewhat irritated then in the state pen sleeping on my back to protect my six.


14 posted on 01/27/2013 1:13:44 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I live in northwestern Illinois. You have three ears before property sale. In states like Illinois it would be very damaging economically to the state and local governments.


15 posted on 01/27/2013 1:15:14 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: 3Fingas

...Or homeless living by a highway underpass....


16 posted on 01/27/2013 1:20:20 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: djf
I don't like paying taxes any more than most others, but ...

... our county sheriff and our state legislature will not be supporting any gun bans (that's in Idaho).

17 posted on 01/27/2013 1:22:16 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Winston

Every thing is linked. If I don’t pay the property taxes on my car....when my auto registration from the state comes due, I can’t register my car, until town property taxes are paid.

I’ve mentioned this numerous times on threads about being *off-the-grid* ...it’s a specious thought to believe that the town tax collector doesn’t know who and where you are.


18 posted on 01/27/2013 1:53:30 AM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: djf
You will get a lien as soon as a past due prop tax bill goes to clerk and masters as late

That lien will screw up everything

I pay quarter mil per year in commercial prop taxes.....and i am late often....they would love to get my stuff and yours too for non payment

Easier to wait for the disturbances sure to come and be ready

Read about tax militias like posse comitatus to see how all this worked for them

19 posted on 01/27/2013 1:53:55 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Thing is, if I had started a thread saying “They are coming to get your guns RIGHT NOW” there would be 300 replies muttering some kind of BS about “pry them from my cold, dead hands...”

So there ya go.
You have a NON-VIOLENT way of expressing yourself to gummint, about something that most will say they care dearly about, and ALL the responses I hear so far are “Don’t rock the boat! Please!”

What does that say to you? We’re not even as outraged as people when the food stamp machines go down. We’re not as outraged as the muzzies when some dude in Serbia draws a cartoon of Mohammed with a bunny on his head.


20 posted on 01/27/2013 2:09:23 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf
Bad idea. Liens, crippling interest rate penalties, and not too distant tax sale.

Hard to do but would have a better, and more visible effect, would be a extended, nationwide, work stoppage by gun owners. Just have millions of people use a week of sick time the same week and it would be noticed.

21 posted on 01/27/2013 2:12:13 AM PST by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: wardaddy

>> I pay quarter mil per year in commercial prop taxes

Landlord or industry?


22 posted on 01/27/2013 2:12:45 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: djf

you maka me laff


23 posted on 01/27/2013 2:53:24 AM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: djf

Not paying property taxes may be a poor non-violent approach, but it is a consideration.

Been in one war and I’m too old for another. Also too tired to run. I am seriously looking for methods of practical resistance. For example, I am pulling my money out of Bank of America. I wasn’t too happy with them anyway, but if they want to get political, screw ‘em.


24 posted on 01/27/2013 3:05:57 AM PST by Makana (Today's solution is tomorrow's problem.)
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To: Makana

My guess would be that half the homes in America have guns.

The real estate meltdown has still not peaked, the banks are waiting to foreclose on maybe hundreds of thousands of properties because they KNOW they can’t flood the market.
It is already overloaded.

If HALF of the gun owners in America called their county and said “Hey. Bottom line. No Constitution, no dice!” They would be so overwhelmed that they would have to say No Prob!

In fact out of ALL the things in America that may divide us or separate us, race, religion, ethnicity, whatever, I would bet that the thing we MOST have in common is being property owners and gun owners.

In that sense, it’s a unifying thing, not a dividing thing.


25 posted on 01/27/2013 3:17:30 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

“the thing we MOST have in common is being property owners and gun owners.”

While property taxes may not be the optimum form of resistance, I think you are on the right track.


26 posted on 01/27/2013 3:28:32 AM PST by Makana (Today's solution is tomorrow's problem.)
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To: Makana

I agree- and make sure to tell them why.

Also, instead of paying late, why not find out the exact date the taxes are due and pay as close to that as possible. Around here, one can even go to the clerk’s office on the due date and pay via check.


27 posted on 01/27/2013 4:25:13 AM PST by Vesuvian
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To: djf

The Tax not to pay is the FEDERAL INCOME TAX—Put everything you own into the name of a family member so the IRS cannot get a damn thing when you dont pay your income tax.

The state law enforcement will not enforce the Fed’s new gun laws—it is the FED we have to starve.

So the IRS cannot and will not put hundreds of thousands or millions in jail for non-payment of income taxes!! Time to stand up and be counted—Lets not go down like sheep!!!!


28 posted on 01/27/2013 5:40:56 AM PST by ScareyFast63
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To: ScareyFast63

You can’t starve the feds.

They own the printing presses and can produce money at will.
Taxes or no taxes,

But the states and the counties are another matter, They are DIRECTLY responsible to the people in their communities!

And while I haven’t said it yet, I suspect that in most counties, the person that understands the Constitution and the state Constitutions is the SHERIFF of that county! The highest elected law enforcement official there is!


29 posted on 01/27/2013 5:52:06 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

Make up this sign, or print up small palm cards and distribute them everywhere

Democrats and RINOS
GOD DENIERS AND CONGENITAL LIARS
ARE REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS
FOR FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
AND BE DEFENSELESS WHEN CROOKS COME


30 posted on 01/27/2013 5:55:32 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Should the "Chicago Mechanic" come out of retirement ?)
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To: mosesdapoet

We must decide.

“that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...”

How did a government that is sworn to protect our liberties change into a government that tells us what we:
Can do
Can’t do
Must do


31 posted on 01/27/2013 6:03:58 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

WOO HOO... that’s what we need, a bunch of homeless activists.

(translated, dumb idea)


32 posted on 01/27/2013 7:02:59 AM PST by mnehring
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To: djf

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Non violent resistance for gun owners. (And everybody else too!!), djf wrote:
We must decide.

“that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights,etc etc etc (snip)

Waving the lofty but worthy waving the flag and the constitution arguments doesn’t mean didley squat to what Limbaugh calls the UEVs. Arugments must be presented in a way to the voter that the issue in question directly affects them or those around them.


33 posted on 01/27/2013 7:13:11 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.A voice in the wilderness crying "Make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: mosesdapoet

You can;t even spell “straight” right? Re: your tagline?

I give up, absolutely! The lunatics and uneducated are running the asylum!


34 posted on 01/27/2013 7:54:49 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

Governments below the State level run on cash accounting and their borrowing capacity is very limited. If even a small percent of tax payers withhold their property taxes, or even pay “under protest” (thus causing those funds to be sequestered), it causes great shock to the ability of that jurisdiction to function. The cost to the person who chooses this tactic is that interest and penalties must eventually be paid or there will be other consequences that will follow in time. And mortgage holders tend to get excited and may move to declare the loan in default. But the cost is certainly a lot less than the cost of any violent protest.

A predicate tactic might be for wide-scale exercise of the legal avenues to “protest” the assessment upon which the property tax is based. Every dollar that property taxes are reduced is painful to that government. Should a large number of gun owners in the state do this, it might even call the credit rating of the state into question. Now that would hurt them were it counts.


35 posted on 01/27/2013 8:07:44 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Jeff Winston

“following this advice could cause you a bit of trouble”

This nation was founded by men who accepted the possibility of a bit of trouble, but nobody wants that now.


36 posted on 01/27/2013 8:34:52 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: djf

“What does that say to you?”

Plain as day to me :(
They won’t even do legal tax resistance by galting, or diminishing their incomes to the point where they wouldn’t have to pay income tax — or property tax. (In PA you get a full rebate of prop taxes if your income is low enough.)

But no, too inconvenient, too much of a hardship for these bravos. Cold dead hands they are sitting on.


37 posted on 01/27/2013 8:43:27 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: djf

bravos = braves
Big difference! :)


38 posted on 01/27/2013 8:47:01 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: djf

“They own the printing presses and can produce money at will.”

They can’t make it valuable.


39 posted on 01/27/2013 8:53:30 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: djf

“Call your county assessor!!!

TELL HIM YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAX!!!”

Please pay your taxes. That way when a tired and wounded patriot arrives at your door you can shelter, aid and feed him.

Thanks.


40 posted on 01/27/2013 9:06:40 AM PST by 101stAirborneVet
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To: HomeAtLast

Good point.


41 posted on 01/27/2013 9:17:06 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Gene Eric

Commercial businesses
I pay more in state and local than i make....sadly

One biz.....large self storage and covered boat and RV storage pays 12 percent of gross in property tax
Davidson county is like Austin or Chapel Hill or Asheville
Spendthrift progressives


42 posted on 01/27/2013 9:47:30 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: djf

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Non violent resistance for gun owners. (And everybody else too!!), djf wrote:
“You can;t even spell “straight” right? Re: your tagline?

“I give up, absolutely! The lunatics and uneducated are running the asylum!”

All those profound conclusions from a typo, yes, I think you should give it up....Your lost I will pray for you..
You can’t even defend your position when trolls respond they offer insults like yours. BTW Thanks for pointing the typo out.


43 posted on 01/27/2013 10:32:06 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.A voice in the wilderness crying "Make straight for the way of the Lord")
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To: wardaddy

That’s great despite the taxation.

I understand Texas has a heavy business tax which I guess, in lieu of state sales tax, is something close to a consumption tax? Out of curiosity, would you prefer a state sales tax that might lower your business taxes?


44 posted on 01/30/2013 12:33:31 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

Sales tax is 9 percent plus

We do not have state income tax

Nashville is a demographic entitlement town

In the urban area


45 posted on 01/30/2013 9:44:57 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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