Skip to comments.Kant vs. Augustine on Concealed-Carry Handguns
Posted on 01/28/2013 10:31:01 PM PST by trekdown
... I can't get two Newtown numbers out of my head: 26, the number of people, mainly small children, who were murdered in the school; and 20, the number of minutes it took the police to arrive
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“what Obama wants for America, Only outlaws with guns,
the rest of us ->TARGETS “
“20 freking minutes for the police to arrive” in sufficient numbers ... You have to be kidding !!
“It doesnt really make sense to ban guns, because in reality what that means is that you are actually banning effective self-defense.
Despite the constant hammering by a news media with an agenda,
guns are used in America far more to stop crime than to cause crime.”~ by Larry Correia ( firearms expert )
Rescuing someone suffering a heart attack with CPR is no different than rescuing innocent life from the murderous hands of a criminal with a gun. With both emergencies, it is fortunate that someone is available to perform the necessary rescue. We need as many rescuers as possible.
No they didn't. The police got there in a few minutes. The 'coordination' was actually done very well.
As for gun free zones. The infamous DC vs. Heller, also wrongly continues that Gov't can restrict guns at schools, gov't buildings, and 'sensitive' areas they want.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Kant vs. Augustine on Concealed-Carry Handguns, Theoria wrote:
‘20, the number of minutes it took the police to arrive’
No they didn’t. The police got there in a few minutes. The ‘coordination’ was actually done very well.
OK prove it! If you have a reliable source to go to please provide it because thus far that has been the assertion by many authoratative sources.
Right. It actually took only 20 minutes from the initial 911 call for the cops to clear the building. Hard to imagine a much more efficient response.
No twenty minutes there.
Hard to make sense of the timeline but sounds like the first call came in at 9:35 am and an officer reported that the suspect was down at 9:53 am.
18 minutes. I still believe that if there were people on site with CCLs the shooter would have been down within a minute or two from when the first shot was fired.
National databases are a prelude to confiscation and have NO use in post-shooting investigations other than determining that the shooter was not registered and probably stole the guns!!
It's also "useful" to find out who the shooter stole the gun(s) from, so that owner can be prosecuted for neglegent storage of firearms.
To a practical leftist, the criminal is not a danger to the State- to the rulers. The rational self defender is dangerous to the state, therefore the self defender is the one that must be neutralized.
And for the practical leftist, criminals are useful for keeping the normal citizens in fear and off balance. Solzhenytsin explained well how that works.
I know the philosophical argument originally from discussions I had years ago with my childhood friend who became a professor at UF. He is very intelligent IQwise but, like many such folks is afflicted with the hubris that lets him believe that because of his "superior" intelligence, he is able to discern the better way to live for each and everyone and for society as a whole.
Yes, 18 minutes to clear the building, not 18 minutes to arrive.
I wholeheartedly agree that if one or more of the staff had CCW permits and were carrying, the whole thing would have ended much sooner.
I can clear my IWB holster in under two seconds. Even if I’m carrying in my Smartcarry rig, it’s still only seconds.
Seconds. Not minutes.
Give me my full RKBA and everywhere I go, there will be someone willing to stand up to random nutecase/violence and protect myself and those around me.
But this assumes that the debate is about “solving” criminal actions. It isn’t. It’s about control. Period.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Kant vs. Augustine on Concealed-Carry Handguns, Yo-Yo wrote:
How about a transcript of the radio traffic?
“No twenty minutes there”
To others reading this it’s about the reporting of the local Newtown police response to the school shooting. There a dozens of postings in FRs on it. Most claim it took 20 minutes,in fact I heard this repeated on the Levin show but in reporting he was even unclear, and a few claim the response was quicker.
None defending the response thus far offer a defined time to repond line from a reliable source which should be the deparment processing the call. But because they seemingly haven’t only leads to the question how long did it take for them to make it there.
I have no horse in this race the aim here is accuracy .