Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Paulino
Complete and Utter Vanity Post | 1/31/13 | Oberon

Posted on 01/31/2013 2:27:22 PM PST by Oberon

I met Paulino at the nursery farm where I worked summers during college, shearing Christmas trees. This was about 1990 or so. He was about five foot six and 140 pounds soaking wet. In his late twenties, he was in the US illegally, but he drove a truck he’d bought with cash and rented a pretty nice house not far from the nursery. He paid for the house, the truck, and the beer he’d stash in the water cooler for after work with money he made from the nursery.

Paulino could work rings around most of the white college boy summer help, and that’s how he got his foot in the door. Not content with a single working man’s wage, he lined up a half-dozen other illegals to work for him, and provided an entire work crew to the nursery on a contract basis. The nursery didn’t have to worry about who was documented, Paulino paid cash, and everybody was happy. All seven of them could work rings around the rest of us, even when they were only coasting.

The six men on the shearing crew were Mexicans, but Paulino was from El Salvador. He was in the US because he was AWOL from the Salvadoran army, who had forcibly conscripted him just out of his teens. One day he saw his chance and took off running for the jungle. Guards took potshots at him as he fled and Paulino was hit, but he made it to the woods and kept running. It wasn’t safe for him in El Salvador any more, so he stayed on the move until he made it to the US. His wounds healed up, but he still had the scars, the only bullet scars I’ve ever personally seen.

Now, I’ve been around guns all my life. My father and grandfathers had them, all my uncles were hunters, and most of my male cousins on both sides of the family owned, handled, and fired guns on a regular basis. All of them knew how to handle guns safely. All of them knew how to avoid a negligent discharge, and all of them knew how to handle the gun so that if it did go off no serious harm was done. If the mere fact of having guns around were a real risk factor for injury or death, my family history should show multiple gunshot wounds and at least one fatality within the latest three generations.

Yet the only person I ever knew who had bullet scars was Paulino... shot by his own government.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
True story. Not going to comment on Paulino's status as an illegal alien; the point of this was to point out our need for the 2nd Amendment.
1 posted on 01/31/2013 2:27:27 PM PST by Oberon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Oberon

Oh goodness he was forced into the military then deserted. How horrible. Sort of like in WWII when Daddy was drafted except he didn’t desert. He didn’t break any immigration laws either.


2 posted on 01/31/2013 2:54:30 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yarddog

As you like.


3 posted on 01/31/2013 3:09:23 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

Me no likey illegal aliens who are also deserters.


4 posted on 01/31/2013 3:13:34 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

I see your point.


5 posted on 01/31/2013 3:14:40 PM PST by Tax-chick (Make sure you notice when I'm being subtly ironic!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yarddog

I’m not sure that the US in your father’s era and El Salvador in the early 1980s is quite an apples-to-apples comparison, but I have no argument with you.


6 posted on 01/31/2013 3:16:18 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
Sort of like in WWII when Daddy was drafted except he didn’t desert.

You know nothing about the subject this thread is addressing........

forcibly conscripted him just out of his teens.

That was common practice in Central America. My Honduran brother-in-law's nephew was in medical school when the military came into the theater he was in and attempted to round up all the youths and force them into the military. Fortunately for Mario, he ran out the back door of the theater and escaped........

It was also common practice for military trucks to patrol the streets and apprehend the older youths and place them in the military.

Unlike your DADDY, Central America had no such draft laws........

.Once they grab you off the street you have no choice but to serve.

7 posted on 01/31/2013 3:25:43 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

Another who was breaking the law every day. Soon I think I will start breaking the law. My defense will be that breaking the law is totally acceptable in these United States — and tell about Paulino and 12 million, possibly more, who have been breaking the law every day for years and years. I am positive I wouldn’t be found guilty.


8 posted on 01/31/2013 3:28:32 PM PST by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hot Tabasco

I suspect you have no idea what I know about the subject which I guess is supposed to be gun control.

I do know the El Salvadorian government was fighting Communists and when they got a chance to vote they voted overwhelmingly for freedom, not Communism.

Sorry but I am never going to support illegal immigrants.


9 posted on 01/31/2013 3:31:48 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: winkadink
You seem to be missing the point. It's not about whether Paulino is hero or villain. He is what he is, whatever he is. I don't ask you to like him or approve of him.

The point of the story is that despite my lifetime of exposure to guns, this Salvadoreño is the only person I've ever met who has been shot. Kind of gives the lie to the whole "guns are evil" meme, doesn't it?

10 posted on 01/31/2013 3:47:44 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
Sorry but I am never going to support illegal immigrants.

Who asked you to? Not me. I don't support illegal immigrants myself.

This is just a story about the only guy I've ever met that's been shot.

11 posted on 01/31/2013 3:51:30 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

If you don’t support illegal immigrants why did you even mention it. Why did you go to the trouble of telling us how much better than the White guys he was?

You were the one making a big deal of it.


12 posted on 01/31/2013 3:57:09 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
I do know the El Salvadorian government was fighting Communists and when they got a chance to vote they voted overwhelmingly for freedom, not Communism.

Since when was this thread about El Salvador? Sorry but I'm not joining you on your tangent..........

13 posted on 01/31/2013 4:00:41 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Hot Tabasco

Why was El Salvador mentioned in the initial post?


14 posted on 01/31/2013 4:03:49 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
Why did you go to the trouble of telling us how much better than the White guys he was?

[rolls eyes in exasperation]

It's just the way he was. He worked hard. That's all.

And I mentioned El Salvador in the initial post because it was where he was from, and explained why he'd been shot. Again, that's all.

15 posted on 01/31/2013 4:12:25 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

OK, that is what he was.

What he was, was also a deserter and a person who violates American Laws.


16 posted on 01/31/2013 4:17:28 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

I liked your story and I always appreciate a hard working man. Hope Paulino is doing well.


17 posted on 01/31/2013 4:41:21 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
What he was, was also a deserter and a person who violates American Laws.

Somebody who deserts from a tyrannical army isn't doing anything wrong. Do you have a problem with Taliban deserters?

And God forbid we ever face such a situation in this nation, but if some future government becomes tyrannical all those Oath Keepers will be both "deserters and violating American Laws."

That said, while Paulino's story does highlight some of the issues that arise when the government fails to do its job establishing and enforcing reasonable immigration laws, it also is a reminder that there are plenty of oppressive governments in the world, and our nation, and our freedom is a beacon of hope for people yearning to be free.

18 posted on 01/31/2013 5:04:46 PM PST by freeandfreezing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: freeandfreezing

Well which side would you be on, the army of El Salvador or the Communist Guerillas?

Any time I hear that phrae “reasonable immigration laws”, I smell a rat.


19 posted on 01/31/2013 5:16:56 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
For all the importance it has in the story, Paulino could have been a Nicaraguan nun, a Coptic Christian from Egypt, or a Purple People-Eater from Mars.

The point is that the only person I've ever known who got shot, got shot by his own government. That's the whole point of the story.

And if you don't like Purple People-Eaters from Mars, more power to you. I told the story the way it was because that's the guy I met. And I suggest you get a little more fiber in your diet.

20 posted on 01/31/2013 5:34:34 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Oberon; All
Thank you for the story. I enjoyed it. If I were in Paulino’s shoes, I might have done the same.

We need a much better, legal, front door for immigration. I do not want amnesty, but I understand the incentive to come to America.

We simply cannot absorb all of Central and South American that want to come here.

A good legal system would allow a lot of good people in and relieve a lot of pressure for illegal immigration.

21 posted on 01/31/2013 6:00:10 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

It is pretty disgusting to be on a conservative forum and have a large number of people pretending to be anything but what they are.

Simply will never agree with the open borders crowd sailing under false colors.


22 posted on 01/31/2013 6:10:34 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: yarddog

Well your nose needs adjustment. I did my part to defeat communists in Central America - how about you?


23 posted on 01/31/2013 6:25:01 PM PST by freeandfreezing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: freeandfreezing

I never did find myself outside the U.S. I did vote for Ronald Reagan twice.

Interestingly, my Sister used to go down to El Salvador at least once a month. She was just a secretary for the U.S. Army and I have no idea what she was doing down there but the Army wasn’t letting her take a weeks leave or maybe two every few weeks unless they had been authorized to do so. Her husband was an agent for one of the U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies.

My family has been in Florida since at least the 1700s and I like a lot of Cubans, but they came here legally.


24 posted on 01/31/2013 6:42:32 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
Simply will never agree with the open borders crowd sailing under false colors.

Was that comment meant to apply to me?

25 posted on 02/02/2013 8:26:29 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

Yes it was, you among others.

If I am wrong, I would like to hear what your views are.


26 posted on 02/02/2013 9:01:40 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
If I am wrong, I would like to hear what your views are.

You're so wrong I don't give a good fart in a high wind what you think. Feel free to enjoy the rest of your life being you, without any further input from me.

27 posted on 02/02/2013 6:15:39 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson