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To: morphing libertarian; Spktyr; GeronL
Be very careful if you spend any time at all in downtown Dallas. It's swarming with illegals and urban thugs when the sun goes down. I don't go there unless I'm well armed due to the goon element that overtakes the area once the workforce leaves the skyscrapers and heads to the safe harbor of the exurbs. Those from the area will recall when a Dallas Police officer was killed in cold blood outside a downtown McDonalds with a crowd of what we now call Holder's people looking on and cheering. The story of that incident involving John Chase was chronicled in the Los Angeles Times, using some highly accurate descriptions that now would be regarded as politically incorrect.

On the other hand, my fear of downtown Fort Worth is far less. It's "Where the West Begins" and, for the most part, a better crowd is found there.

Note that since I'm 70, I remember when downtown areas used to be nice, with motion picture houses, family-oriented restaurants and department stores. The liberal policies that began under JFK and accelerated with LBJ have killed once pleasant urban areas. I've pinged a few people from the area to get their take and to also see if they recall the brutal murder of John Chase that led to the Back the Blue campaign.

24 posted on 02/01/2013 3:12:05 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

You don’t hang out in Fair Park?


29 posted on 02/01/2013 3:16:34 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: re_nortex
Be very careful if you spend any time at all in downtown Dallas. It's swarming with illegals and urban thugs when the sun goes down.

Note that since I'm 70, I remember when downtown areas used to be nice, with motion picture houses, family-oriented restaurants and department stores.

The only time I've visited Dallas was for a few days in August, 1966. We stayed in the downtown area. I believe the hotel was called the Dallas Hotel--it was a large, white, multistory building that was quite impressive and stood out in the city's skyline--although old-timers from Dallas whom I have met don't recall a hotel by that name.

In any case, we found Dallas to be a pleasant city, with family-oriented restaurants, just as you described it. We ate at one that served particularly good steaks, although I don't recall its name. And we visited one of the motion picture houses to watch the movie "Batman."

In the sixties, Dallas was known for its conservative politics, which drew the ire of liberals, as reflected in the Warren Leslie's bestseller Dallas Public and Private--Aspects of an American City (New York: Grossman, 1964), which trashed the city. However, I understand that Dallas has long since turned "blue."

56 posted on 02/01/2013 3:48:03 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: re_nortex; morphing libertarian; GeronL

nortex: I like ya, but you’ve got some very odd ideas about how Downtown Dallas is these days. You thought there was going to be massive rioting there when the Mavs won the NBA championship and there just wasn’t - as I’d predicted.

As someone who is out in downtown after dark on a regular basis for work and social reasons, I can tell you that the idea that the place getting overrun with goons is quite outdated. True, the more southerly parts of downtown aren’t as safe as they could be but there has been a wave of gentrification and HUUUGE enforcement efforts from Dallas PD that have overtaken the area in the last decade-plus. You can now travel from the West End to Deep Ellum as safely as in Fort Worth or most other well-policed American cities. Dallas has been making enormous strides on making downtown a cultural and residential center as it is in Fort Worth - CCW has had a large role to play in that. Redevelopment of old buildings into residences and retail businesses is the order of the day there. No huge mobs of thugs, illegals, etc., in downtown anymore. Homeless is still a problem, but that’s the case in most cities.

However - as things go, most of the attractions in Dallas for the older set only operate during the day. Younger persons like myself are what the nighttime attractions cater to - nightclubs, bars, concert venues, what used to be called discotheques. I would suggest visiting downtown Dallas during the day - not because of safety issues any more, but simply because you probably wouldn’t be interested in anything that goes on there after dark.


97 posted on 02/02/2013 11:29:46 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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