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TAX IMPORTS: Encourage American manufacturing, and pay off deficit.
(just a rant)

Posted on 02/03/2013 7:43:15 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

OK sorry for the rant, but here goes.

We are running a trade deficit which is unacceptably high.

We need to make things in America, yet we import everything from everywhere else.


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At some point we must recognize publicly we are going the wrong way.

Our companies have become import machines. Making everything overseas. Much of it in China.

Our percentage of the vote continues to shrink.

And our government spends ever more than we make.

It is time for a dramatic change. I propose, import duties.

Have another idea, speak up. But we must do something. And rapidly. Do not just oppose this idea.

If you have an alternate say so, and let's discuss the alternate. I am not stuck on this as an approach, but we must change somehow.

Thank you for listening.

1 posted on 02/03/2013 7:43:24 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I would suggest another solution in addition, start selling oil, coal and gas leases on federal land and offshore. The Federal government is like an old pensioner living in a splendid mansion , with no furniture and eating cat food. Start selling off and privatizing things. I don't mean to the Chinese , but to American companies and investors. Finally

CUT SPENDING!!!

2 posted on 02/03/2013 7:49:01 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Our companies have become import machines. Making everything overseas.

Not Everything :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvK9QlQtrKI

3 posted on 02/03/2013 7:54:29 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I propose, import duties.

First, you trust this administration to add in another tax? Second, you trust this administration to not just spend more if they see more revenue(sic). If they did this, we would get more import duties which would increase the costs of goods or services along with more government spending as they see the money coming in with that money in the treasury.

4 posted on 02/03/2013 7:54:33 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Zero out the corporate income tax. Companies will repatriate trillions in capital. Roll back EPA regulations to reasonable levels. The economy will take off like a rocket.


5 posted on 02/03/2013 8:03:49 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty
Zero out the corporate income tax. Companies will repatriate trillions in capital. Roll back EPA regulations to reasonable levels. The economy will take off like a rocket.

That isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever. But tariffs could be in place tomorrow. It is about time we started to pay the real costs of "cheap labor" and losing out manufacturing base. For the first 80 years of the USA tariffs were the main source of income. The revenue would be a side effect, and a helpful one. It is an easy "tax" to avoid. Just start reading labels where products are manufactured....

6 posted on 02/03/2013 8:08:24 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: AZLiberty
Zero out the corporate income tax. Companies will repatriate trillions in capital. Roll back EPA regulations to reasonable levels. The economy will take off like a rocket.

That isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever. But tariffs could be in place tomorrow. It is about time we started to pay the real costs of "cheap labor" and losing out manufacturing base. For the first 80 years of the USA tariffs were the main source of income. The revenue would be a side effect, and a helpful one. It is an easy "tax" to avoid. Just start reading labels where products are manufactured....

7 posted on 02/03/2013 8:08:24 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Bump.

What we are doing (nothing) now is rapidly leading ever downward.

I like your suggestions.


8 posted on 02/03/2013 8:11:13 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I see your point and agree that we are going the wrong way. The trouble with taxing imports or tariffs is that they don't work. We made a Great Depression out of deep recession in the 1930’s doing just that. In addition, the low cost of imports has actually kept the ACTUAL cost of the current economy marginally tolerable for lots of people on low or fixed incomes. If we actually had to pay for our daily goods and services at the rate supported by the American standard of living we'd all be living on cat food - made in Honduras.
I think that YankeeReb has it right - drop spending back to 2008 levels and then cut from there. And eliminate baseline budgeting. The baseline budget scheme Congress came up with years ago has contributed to more of the current fiscal nightmare than almost anything else. It reinforces failed policies at ever higher levels and discourages debating the actual value of programs.
9 posted on 02/03/2013 8:15:19 AM PST by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: central_va
Import tariffs would invite a response from the other nations and violate agreements such as GATT and the WTO. It will also raise the costs of goods and services to Americans. It would be a regressive tax hurting those at the bottom of the economic ladder.

It would be far better for the US to make itself more attractive to foreign investment and to US manufacturers abroad. We want to create an inviting business environment not a punitive one.

Lower energy prices, decreased corportate taxes, and less regulation would go a long way to bring back industry and good paying jobs to the US. It must be remembered that we can never match the Chinese and Indians in terms of labor costs and that they have both educated workers to match ours and top of the line technology in their factories. Our competitive advantage must rest elsewhere.

10 posted on 02/03/2013 8:19:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: T. Rustin Noone

What we did at the time of the Great Depression, was actually the opposite of we would do now.

Back then we made everything here.

Now we import everything. That is a huge difference.


11 posted on 02/03/2013 8:28:17 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Import duties are the only way to go.....and the only feasible way to bring back American manufacturing. Our country did quite well with high tariffs and big industry

Even WalMart is realizing this....as they plan to purchase more from USA suppliers. Whether WM actually carries out this is yet to be determined, but WM admitting at any level that Free Trade Globalism does not work is a huge development

I do wonder if anyone will challenge you with facts....and not just spew out discredited theories


12 posted on 02/03/2013 8:31:37 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The US government is the number one obstacle to productivity and prosperity. Period. Everything else is just window dressing.

Absolutely nothing will work until the oppressive government is dealt with. NOTHING.

I deal with a lot of US companies, a fair number that do a lot of their own manufacturing. We can beat the pants off the foreign competition. Get the government to stop putting us through the meat grinder and the rest will follow.


13 posted on 02/03/2013 8:34:52 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: central_va
But tariffs could be in place tomorrow. It is about time we started to pay the real costs of "cheap labor" and losing our manufacturing base.

No, it's time we fixed a broken education system, a broken healthcare system, and a broken political system.

14 posted on 02/03/2013 8:35:19 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The only way to do it is to cut spending. Taxing imports creates trade wars. You don’t win trade wars against slave labor.


15 posted on 02/03/2013 8:35:57 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

No offense, but we are currently (very badly) losing in trade.

I’m totally series.

How in the world does it help us, that we are importing BILLIONS of dollars more than we make, every single month.

The deficit is skyrocketing with China. Every single month.

What we are doing now is broken.

Make stuff here. In America!

We have become brainwashed that “free trade” is somehow an answer.

Look around you.

Just look. Go in any store. Pick up anything. What will the tag say:

“Made in China”.


16 posted on 02/03/2013 8:44:13 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Import taxes are called tariffs. If you never care to export that might work.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 8:46:44 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: kabar

Most nations already violate the WTO and GATT...Communist China is notorious for this. However every time we try to retaliate against Commie China....all the Free Traders start whining “Protectionism” and “Smoot Hawley caused the Great Depression” (which is liberal horse @#!&). Chairman Mao sits in hell wondering why he did not have American Free Trade sellouts as his proletariat.

And, the WTO/GATT deals allow countries that have a VAT (value added tax) to rebate their industries of their VAT when they sell products overseas...but VAT imports. The US products end up getting tariffed....while other nations products are undercut.


18 posted on 02/03/2013 8:47:09 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Are you suggesting we have a VAT?

Ma href="http://economyincrisis.org/content/us-left-high-and-dry-without-vat">U.S. Left High and Dry Without VAT

19 posted on 02/03/2013 9:02:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeminoleCounty
U.S. Left High and Dry Without VAT
20 posted on 02/03/2013 9:04:16 AM PST by kabar
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I agree with your sentiments, but nothing is going to really change until it starts impacting enough of the LOW-INFORMATION voters to make them INFORMED VOTERS.

When you have a government backstop (checks or guaranteed living standard) you don’t care much about the economy.

Lack of JOBS is the number one problem in the country. What is practical for now?

Make sure we win the energy battle. Fracking has opened up many jobs and is keeping much of our money at home. We need to make sure the radical environmentalists don’t shut this down.

Encourage more in-sorucing. If California or other states are too expensive to do business in it is better that companies migrate to the mid-west or south. Better that then lose the jobs to China.

But at the end, it comes down to Federal Government policy, is it going to be business friendly or not. If not the jobs just are going to stay here.


21 posted on 02/03/2013 9:07:34 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: desertfreedom765

s/b Jobs are not going to stay here.

Low Caffeine voter here...


22 posted on 02/03/2013 9:09:43 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: kabar

Very interesting.

I know that has been around forever, but I never realized it may be exactly the problem. Or at least that may provide a wonderful starting point.

Bump.

VAP ping.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 9:10:16 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kabar

Oops sorry.

“VAT” ping.

:)


24 posted on 02/03/2013 9:13:04 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kabar

No I do not support VAT. But, most Free Traders do...judging by their refusal to go after nations that use VAT to tariff American goods while allowing dumping of foreign goods on America.

I support tariffs on foreign goods to stimulate US manufacturing...and to open up markets to US goods that are blocked by Free Trade rules.

Judging by the way you twisted my words from another post...I can tell you are quite the Mao friendly Free Trader


25 posted on 02/03/2013 9:31:04 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
You're just another conservative for higher taxes, higher retail prices, and less money in the pockets of average Americans to afford the many things their families need, during a time when average family take home pay is plummeting. Your "rant" isn't based on economics, it is based solely on emotion, and you are woefully uninformed.

I notice that your first and only solution is for higher prices for all Americans. I see nothing about lower corporate tax rates for manufacturing, or less regulation of manufacturing. Nope, you want to trust the same people who created the problem to solve the problem. That makes you a big government something.....but, I'm not sure it has anything to do with being conservative.

Why you trust government to fairly distribute relief to those needing it most, rather than bending to the will of well connected cronies, is a mystery. For some unknown reason, you seem to believe that all of a sudden government is going to become responsible, capable, and reliable, when it comes to "fixing" the trade deficit. Why stop with manufacturing? Why not empower government to manage the entire economy so that all industry segments can be "fixed?" You have a lot of faith in government. I don't. Higher taxes (yes, tariffs are taxes) and higher prices are not things conservatives should be demanding. But here you are......

26 posted on 02/03/2013 9:37:01 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: KC_Lion

Sorry thanks for your post.

I’ve got video’s turned off but thanks anyway.


27 posted on 02/03/2013 9:37:25 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: SeminoleCounty

Funny that, on a thread where higher taxes are proposed, free traders are accused of promoting taxes.


28 posted on 02/03/2013 9:39:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SeminoleCounty
I can tell you are quite the Mao friendly Free Trader

Say what? Mao was a free trader? My understanding of Mao was that he didn't like any kinds of freedom, much less two individuals, from two different countries, buying and selling goods and services of their own free will because they both benefit. Mao was, however, a rabid protectionist. Kind of like the people here who want to empower government to protect us from ourselves. Freedom is so overrated, right?

29 posted on 02/03/2013 9:45:29 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Yes and no.

In an even world, you would be right. However we are running a massive, and growing, unilateral trade deficit with the one country which may be rapidly turning into an authentic, true adversary.

Either we head off that adversarial relationship now, and find a way to become friends.

Or we fight it later for all the marbles.

Trust me when I say I hope we do the first. And soon. I am full of genuine respect for China and her potential - far more than most Americans.

China is potentially turning into a monster. We have not dealt with a China which is as strong as America.

We will not like that, one bit.

I do not think there is another way. At all.

What we are doing now, is heading directly and full-speed toward the second of those two; Fighting China for all the marbles.

I do not want that. Neither should you.


30 posted on 02/03/2013 9:46:19 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kabar

Please forgive my surliness in an earlier post directed at you...I was trying to respond to another thread at same time while using my smart phone and got mixed up. Still trying to figure out the smart phone

I am still not in favor of the VAT though


31 posted on 02/03/2013 9:46:19 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Mase

You prefer Income Taxes to tariffs?

The US ran quite well...and had its biggest economic growth when we had tariffs. Unfortunately....internationalists like yourself preferred Marxist influenced income taxes to replace tariffs.

After 100 years of income taxes instead of tariffs....the US is now a welfare state with no industry or manufacturing....well we do manufacture debt and government checks

Yep. Chairman Mao would love this Free Trade


32 posted on 02/03/2013 9:59:14 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Is there a particular reason you want to lower the standard of living of your fellow Americans? That’s exactly what your idea would produce.


33 posted on 02/03/2013 10:04:37 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
However we are running a massive, and growing, unilateral trade deficit with the one country

Americans are, of their own free will, making purchases that are in their best interests, and the interests of their families. For some reason you have a problem with that. Why you think these people need to be protected from themselves is a mystery.

one country which may be rapidly turning into an authentic, true adversary.

Not all that long ago, the same was said of the Soviet Union. How'd that work out?

Either we head off that adversarial relationship now, and find a way to become friends.

Having strong and wide economic ties with a specific country makes the two countries more adversarial? That's not what history shows.

China is potentially turning into a monster.

You preferred China under Mao where tens of millions starved to death?

Or we fight it later for all the marbles.

You want to keep a country poor and isolated to prevent it from lashing out at the rest of the world? Again, your grasp of history is seriously lacking.

France is more protectionist than China, so will you do the same to their imports? Clearly, you want to foment a trade war without any understanding of what could follow. For more, read a little European history. Like I said, your solutions are based on emotion, and you are woefully uninformed.

34 posted on 02/03/2013 10:10:14 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: DugwayDuke

China is now the largest exporter in the world.

And growing.

America is number two.

And shrinking. That is what I am concerned about. More all the time.

What are you referring to specifically? Thanks.


35 posted on 02/03/2013 10:12:25 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Mase

There are two significant differences between China and Russia.

Well three really.

1) China greatly emphasizes education. Moreso even than America. Russia had military equipment (still does) but not a huge, growing ever-larger industry of all sorts.

2) China is taking over our manufacturing. No equivalence with Russia. Zero. China is taking over manufacturing from the bottom up. And WE ARE HELPING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

3) China’s population is roughly four times as large as America’s.

There are more, but those are probably the most significant.


36 posted on 02/03/2013 10:21:04 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: SeminoleCounty
You prefer Income Taxes to tariffs?

In whose world is that an either/or proposition?

The US ran quite well...and had its biggest economic growth when we had tariffs.

Let me know when you repeal the 16th Amendment, Ok?

the US is now a welfare state with no industry or manufacturing.

And that's because we don't have tariffs instead of politicians making people dependent on entitlements so they can maintain political power? Economic and political illiteracy is also a problem, especially with your posts.

By the way, in 2011, US manufacturing contributed $1.8 trillion to our economy. Of that, $1.3 trillion was exported. Our manufacturing accounted for 86% of all goods exported that year. Like the guy who started this thread, you are woefully uninformed, so you offer no facts, but lots of feelings.

Chairman Mao would love this Free Trade

Nonsense. Mao was a despot and a dictator who wanted nothing to do with individual liberty, other than his own. The fascists had a motto: everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. You seem to be on the same page as those guys. Are you a fascist?

37 posted on 02/03/2013 10:21:43 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
China greatly emphasizes education.

Apparently, you're unaware of the engineering and scientific successes of the Russians. Do you think an educated public, that is, for the first time, rapidly improving their economic well-being, is going to want to go to war with the people who are making that possible? Or do you think a country is more likely to lash out at the world when they are isolated and starving? Maybe you're unaware of what's going on in NK.

China is taking over our manufacturing.

Sounds scary. Got anything to back that up, besides feelings? I was living in Japan in the late 80's and constantly had Japanese telling me that they were going to own us. How'd that work out for them?

China’s population is roughly four times as large as America’s.

Again, so what? India's is three times larger than ours. Does that make you fear India? China has 400 million people living day to day without any future. In your opinion, is it better that those numbers increase or decrease?

It's human nature to fear the things you don't understand. Your rant, and following posts, are solid evidence of that fact.

38 posted on 02/03/2013 10:32:11 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Due to the EPA regulations, it costs more to comply with the government paperwork to obtain and maintain the permits to manufacture anything here than it costs to manufacture the actual goods.

America CANNOT compete with such a stacked deck, so we import everything and export our wealth. In this way the worlds socialist rulers achieve their dream of “sharing the wealth”.

Yes, its evil, and intentional. But, hey, its change. And when the good guys were in control, change is what they needed.

Now evil is in control, and will greatly increase until a new super world ruler steps up. He will be the Anti-Christ and will rule the world with an Iron hand. Complete control over mankinds buying and selling will be his power, and he will have no affection for women.

Its a Bible thing, coming to a planet near you soon!


39 posted on 02/03/2013 10:34:41 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Mase

I think the East and the West respond very differently about things.

We greatly mistake that another country, will behave the same as our own.

Stop sending industry to China.

Start bringing it back.
Now.


40 posted on 02/03/2013 10:37:45 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Encourage American manufacturing, and pay off deficit.

Pay off the deficit? Deficit is not debt. I know you are confused about the difference.

Your cure for too much government spending and power is more of the same.

It is time for a dramatic change. I propose, import duties.

Yes, more money for government, less for the people.

Still want to double the cost of oil? Why?

If you have an alternate say so, and let's discuss the alternate.

Instead of more government power and spending, how about we try a conservative idea, less government power and spending?

41 posted on 02/03/2013 10:44:17 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We are not allowed to make things in Amerika. If we put import taxes in place, what will you eat and what will you wear?

Eat dirt, and wear a barrel, cause your screwed.

You want proof?

Dont consume anything not produced in America for 30 days. Most of the food in your market is imported. 90% of the clothes are. American goods cost far more, because of the massive government paperwork necessary to keep the doors open.

The problem is Opressive Government, not lack of manufacturing ability. Our economy is crashing because of the EPA and other extra legal governing agencys and the MASSIVE spending (wealth transfer to cronies for kickbacks) of a corrupt Federal Goobermint.

If the Goobermint would go away for one year, our economy would out grow the world.

If you taxed imports for a year, what would it accomplish besides putting more money in the hands of Multi-Millionaire Congress Critters?

Get Series.


42 posted on 02/03/2013 10:45:46 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Good thing we don’t have another election, for two years.

We have a way to go so far.

:D


43 posted on 02/03/2013 10:50:08 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Start bringing it back.

You're going to bring manufacturing back to the US by imposing tariffs, and starting a trade war, rather than by lowering corporate tax rates and reducing barriers to doing business in the US? Good grief, could you possibly be any more cluless than you are?

44 posted on 02/03/2013 10:56:02 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: SeminoleCounty
judging by their refusal to go after nations that use VAT to tariff American goods while allowing dumping of foreign goods on America.

More than 140 nations utilize the value-added tax system as a means of building government revenue. Do you want us to go after the rest of the world?

I support tariffs on foreign goods to stimulate US manufacturing...and to open up markets to US goods that are blocked by Free Trade rules.

I got that. But you don't open other markets if you raise tariffs on foreign goods. Reciprocity is the way most trade agreeements work. They will put tariffs on our exports.

Judging by the way you twisted my words from another post...I can tell you are quite the Mao friendly Free Trader

If providing facts, makes me a "Nao friendly Free Trader," so be it. Our problems are self-inflicted. We have made ourselves non-competitive by overtaxing and over-regulating our businesses. We have made the playing field uneven by shooting ourselves in the foot. Raising taxes on imported goods will just make it worse, not better.

45 posted on 02/03/2013 11:05:30 AM PST by kabar
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Going back to import tariffs makes sense, but should be done carefully, as part of a larger re-positioning of the economy. (Import taxes pose a downside to US agricultural and high-value exports when others retaliate, and the likely effects of shrinking the global economy.)

At the arrival of globalism, the US should have repositioned its economic and taxation models from one that encouraged debt and consumption and discouraged working, to one that encourages thrift, investment and employment. A country that is creating vast wealth could handle that, but we were not. By sticking with the old system we have sucked decades of accummulated wealth out of the US.

Charitably, Obama stupidly believes wealthy investors will earn enough internationally to finance a permanent consumer economy through high taxation and welfare redistribution. Jobs are not required, and capital can flow out forever for foreign goods. Common sense suggests that diverting capital from investment into consumption, while disincentivizing investment through high tax rates, is a death spiral. The pie will get ever smaller as it is eaten, until we achieve equality in poverty. I suspect that is Obama’s desired outcome, with messiahs excepted. Wihtout major changes, this will happen, probably sooner than later.

I propose a 10% flat tax on personal incomes, no exclusions or deductions, no floor — everyone participates, almost no paperwork, paid in monthly installments, along with FICA and Medicare withholding. Zero corporate taxes, but 100% of net earnings must be re-invested or distributed to persons as taxable income. Tax all imports at a rate sufficient for revenue needs, but preferably low — I have no idea of % and assume it would change); paid by the importer. Major spending and entitlement reform.

The ruling class would never consider this. The tax system is used to micromanage business, control citizens lives, create useless jobs, and especially to manipulate politics and cause bribery. The consumer/debt economy has so stimulated and bloated GDP through credit inflation — that without massive unnecessary spending created by easy credit, the GDP bubble would burst, leaving significant deflation and puddles on the floor.

Thanks to anyone who read all this — rattled on a bit long.


46 posted on 02/03/2013 11:14:18 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The net effect of your idea would be to increase the cost of living for most Americans. When you increase those costs, you will reduce their standard of living.


47 posted on 02/03/2013 11:57:10 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The net effect of your idea would be to increase the cost of living for most Americans. When you increase those costs, you will reduce their standard of living.


48 posted on 02/03/2013 11:57:26 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No tariffs....... archaic concepts of a by gone inperialistic era.

Trade must remain as free as possible to utilize the skills of the world. To insist on buying American is to kill our nation.

American companies, even small ones operate globally now. To try to turn back is foolish


49 posted on 02/03/2013 12:13:47 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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Regarding problems with paying taxes on imports when so many basic things are being imported, you may find the following historical information interesting.

Thomas Jefferson had noted that, in his day, the rich uniqely paid for the federal government to operate with the taxes that they paid on imported goods.

"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied (emphasis added). … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

But more importantly, consider that, in that same period, the Supreme Court had clarified that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially issues which Congress cannot justify under the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So although the rich paid the bill for the federal government to operate, Congress was not taxing and spending for anything that it could not justify under Section 8, Congress's main expenses likely being to maintain the armed forces. It wasn't until FDR's activist justices allowed Congress to greatly overstep its Section 8 limited powers that Congress began taxing and spending for many issues that were actual under state power control, which corrupt Congress had no constitutonal authority to address.

50 posted on 02/03/2013 12:47:07 PM PST by Amendment10
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