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When Did Humans Come to the Americas?
smithsonianmag.com ^ | February 2013 | Guy Gugliotta

Posted on 02/04/2013 11:05:28 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper

- Significantly, though, the researchers found no Clovis points. That posed a challenge: either Clovis hunters went to South America without their trademark weapons (highly unlikely) or people settled in South America even before the Clovis people arrived.

There must have been “people somewhere in the Americas 15,000 or 16,000 years ago, or perhaps as long as 18,000 years ago,” said Dillehay, now at Vanderbilt University.

Of the researchers working sites that seemed to precede Clovis people, Dillehay was singled out for special criticism. He was all but ostracized by Clovis advocates for years. When he was invited to meetings, speakers stood up to denounce Monte Verde. “It’s not fun when people write to your dean and try to get you fired,” he recalled. “And then your grad students try to get jobs and they can’t get jobs.”

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1 posted on 02/04/2013 11:05:33 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The solutrian migration has been proposed for a number of years but it flies in the face of the PC claims of amerindian tribes.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 11:11:21 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950
Solutrean hypothesis
3 posted on 02/04/2013 11:13:32 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

That’s a great article that points out the lack of integrity among academics when they are all competing for the same scarce dollars.


4 posted on 02/04/2013 11:17:32 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It’s a nation (or nations) of immigrants; including the folks who were here when Columbus arrived.


5 posted on 02/04/2013 11:23:15 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
When did humans come to America?

Whatever is the latest date for dinosaur occupation of North America from the Creation Research Institute, since we all know the The Flintstones is a historical documentary.

6 posted on 02/04/2013 11:27:39 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

And it’s obvious that the humans from the Bedrockian Era were descendant from Europeans - after all, they’re all white and speak English...


7 posted on 02/04/2013 11:35:31 AM PST by stormer
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When he was invited to meetings, speakers stood up to denounce Monte Verde.
Monte Verde is an archaeological site in southern Chile, located near Puerto Montt, Southern Chile, which has been dated to 14,800 years BP.[1] This dating adds to the evidence showing that the human settlement of the Americas pre-dates the Clovis culture by roughly 1000 years.
8 posted on 02/04/2013 11:35:40 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

About 100 or so years after a WORLDWIDE Flood. Probably was a land bridge btwn the Russian landmass and Alaska. When the waters settled the land bridge went underwater.


9 posted on 02/04/2013 11:57:54 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

My ancestors were chased out of every good country, kingdom and city in Europe. They weren’t rich, but they were extremely good looking. They had good lives until a royal spouse or fiancé caught them in the sack with the prince or princess. I think our family name translates to “Randy Bast**ds and Wenches”.


10 posted on 02/04/2013 12:04:02 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Soultrean hypothesis - I used to love that show.

Amazing how some things end up as scientific stuff.

11 posted on 02/04/2013 12:25:39 PM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: US Navy Vet
America, as we know it, would have probably been very difficult to define when the first humans appeared.

If one accepts the Biblical account in Genesis, the continents were all together in the days of Peleg, who lived sometime between Adam and Noah.

Even if one does not, the various continental drift theories of human migration leaves the continents somewhat less clearly defined than they are today. The horse, widely thought to originated in America, certainly wasn't here in the immediate pre-Columbian era.

And the Bering Straight theory of migration, while certainly likely in its explanation of the existence of some pre-Columbian peoples, doesn't explain them all. Otherwise, we would have evidence of the most advanced civilizations in oldest parts of the migration route getting more rudimentary as you moved south rather than the mirror opposite.

12 posted on 02/04/2013 12:31:29 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RJS1950

It seems that the issue has become ever more complicated as more archaeological sites are excavated and more science is brought to bear. This suggests that surprises await and that we are far from having an accurate picture of the settlement of the hemisphere.


13 posted on 02/04/2013 12:33:01 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Some Neanderthals crossed over from the Mediterreanean Basin on a Tsunami wave in 20,013 B.C. They landed in New York and very quickly banned sales of all bows n arrows and spears from the natives they found here.

This resulted in the Great Andresian Wars, which lasted only a couple of days when it was discovered too late that the natives could make their own bows n arrows and spears and didn`t need to buy them and that they could very easily smuggle them in from the Washington Redskins Indians and also from Cleveland Indians , even though the Cleveland Indians could never win a battle.

This resulted in the famous battle cry found scratched on cave walls, "Cuom`on `n get it you SOB`s!"

14 posted on 02/04/2013 12:37:24 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

As long as there has been ‘man’, he has had a wanderlust, a desire to see what’s over the next hill, mountain, river or sea. He has walked, sailed ships, ridden horses, wagon trains and space shuttles. Ancient men were everywhere on this planet out of plain curiosity, and a desire to get away from his relatives and enemies..........


15 posted on 02/04/2013 12:54:54 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The solutrean hypothesis is probably at least as valid as the far more popular Bering hypothesis. It is too bad that they reburied Kennewick man, the Caucasoid skeleton, found in the Columbia River area in the early 1990s, as further study might have provided further evidence toward the solutrean hypothesis, or not.

The Mandans, a Siouxian tribe with which I am fairly familiar, have an oral tradition that their people came to the Missouri River Valley in the Dakotas in roughly the 13th century after being driven from their homeland in the Ohio River Valley. The Mandans would always bury their dead with their feet pointed toward the Ohio River Valley.

Prior to that, Mandan tradition is that they were in the James River Valley (Virginia) and the details of the tradition, including timing, become very sketchy. It could have been up to 1000 years before. It could even have been in the solutrean era where artifacts have been discovered.

It is interesting that the Powhattans which John Smith and the Jamestown colony encountered had a corn growing and social hierarchy and lodge living structure very similar to what LaVereyandre and Lewis and Clark encountered roughly one and two centuries later, respectively. Of course the Mandans had a highly insulated earth lodge structure more adapted to the harsh climate of North Dakota than did the Powhatttans in Virginia.

16 posted on 02/04/2013 12:56:48 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“... or perhaps as long as 18,000 years ago,”****

But when the PATRON SAINT OF EVOLUTION (L S B Leakey) visited America in the 1970s he declared an Indian dig site to be over 120,000 YEARS OLD.

No one believed it but no one challenged him.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 1:03:45 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The Clovis theory, over time, acquired the force of dogma. “We all learned it as undergraduates,” Waters recalled. Any artifacts that scholars said came before Clovis, or competing theories that cast doubt on the Clovis-first idea, were ridiculed by the archaeological establishment, discredited as bad science or ignored.

The dark side of science. Refusal to hear evidence or theories which conflict with accepted teaching.

18 posted on 02/04/2013 1:41:54 PM PST by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Of the researchers working sites that seemed to precede Clovis people, Dillehay was singled out for special criticism. He was all but ostracized by Clovis advocates for years. When he was invited to meetings, speakers stood up to denounce Monte Verde. “It’s not fun when people write to your dean and try to get you fired,” he recalled. “And then your grad students try to get jobs and they can’t get jobs.”

It's hard to understand such behavior, but this is not an isolated incident.

19 posted on 02/04/2013 4:38:18 PM PST by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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