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Did a baker break the law when he denied service to same-sex couple?
KATU ^ | Erica Nochlin

Posted on 02/04/2013 4:06:12 PM PST by Morgana

GRESHAM, Ore. -- A Gresham baker is the subject of a state investigation after he refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Did Sweet Cakes owner Aaron Klein violate the law when he told the couple that he couldn’t sell them a cake because “they were abominations to the Lord?”

That’s what Oregon Attorney General's civil enforcement officers are looking into after one of the brides-to-be filed a complaint on Jan. 28.

The woman who filed the complaint said she had previously bought a cake from Sweet Cakes for her mother’s wedding. It was fine. But when her partner went back for their wedding cake on Jan. 17, the owner refused.

Klein on Friday denied making the harsh statement, but admitted to a KATU reporter on camera that he did deny her service.

“I apologized for wasting their time and said we don’t do same-sex marriages,” he said. I “honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn’t mean to make anybody upset, (it’s) just something I believe in very strongly.”

But beliefs aren’t enough to cover him under state law. The Oregon Equality Act of 2007 prohibits discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity. The statute includes public accommodations, such as businesses.

Klein emphasized the importance of his religious beliefs, saying it outweighs his bottom line and the state law.

(Excerpt) Read more at katu.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: baker; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 02/04/2013 4:06:16 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

This law violates the first amendment. He should take them all the way to the Supreme Court.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 4:09:31 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Morgana

Obsession...


3 posted on 02/04/2013 4:09:58 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Morgana

If the baker was muslim it would never have made the news.


4 posted on 02/04/2013 4:11:44 PM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

>>If the baker was muslim it would never have made the news.


5 posted on 02/04/2013 4:13:22 PM PST by omega4179 ( Huelo azufre)
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To: Morgana
There are bakers who will happily do erotic cakes for anyone irregardless of sexual orientation.

Seems like they coulda gotten one from such a baker.

6 posted on 02/04/2013 4:14:43 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Morgana

Clam cake is not in any of my recipe books. Sorry. There’s a seafood place down the road.


7 posted on 02/04/2013 4:14:43 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Viennacon
Who has more money - a stack of state funded lawyers backed by a liberal government or a small business?

In other words, who is the baby seal here getting clubbed?

This crap will soon be showing up where you live - speak out against the hive mind and you will pay - with either your treasure or your freedom - or both.

Elections matter.

8 posted on 02/04/2013 4:16:34 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Morgana
The Oregon Equality Act of 2007 prohibits discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.

Does that nullify the business's owner right to refuse service to anyone they want?

9 posted on 02/04/2013 4:19:15 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Morgana
Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association are under vicious attack under this Regime, but the groundwork was laid decades ago by socialist activists, academia and the media.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."

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This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with catastrophe!



Keep Faith with the Fallen of Benghazi! Let the Obama Regime, for once, tell the Truth!

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10 posted on 02/04/2013 4:25:53 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Slyfox
Does that nullify the business's owner right to refuse service to anyone they want?

Legally speaking, probably. Or, to be more precise, legally speaking, businesses that are considered "public accomodations" don't have the right to refuse service to anyone they want. It's been that way due to anti-discrimination laws going at least as far back as the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

(Note: I'm not saying that's how it should be, just the state of the law as it currently exists. Also, this guy may have a pretty good First Amendment claim--certainly better than if it were racial discrimination--but, as mentioned above, that depends on his ability and willingness to fight this).

11 posted on 02/04/2013 4:26:06 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Slyfox
Does that nullify the business's owner right to refuse service to anyone they want?

Legally speaking, probably. Or, to be more precise, legally speaking, businesses that are considered "public accomodations" don't have the right to refuse service to anyone they want. It's been that way due to anti-discrimination laws going at least as far back as the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

(Note: I'm not saying that's how it should be, just the state of the law as it currently exists. Also, this guy may have a pretty good First Amendment claim--certainly better than if it were racial discrimination--but, as mentioned above, that depends on his ability and willingness to fight this).

12 posted on 02/04/2013 4:26:27 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Slyfox
Apparently that right does not exist in Oregon.

Gresham is in the Portland area, so the lesbians can easily find other bakeries who will be happy to make a cake for them. This sounds like what happened a while back in New Mexico with a photographer. They seek out and try to destroy anyone who stands in their way.

Probably the guy's only option will be to close up and move to a more conservative state, but the liberals would no doubt track him down and harass him there too.

13 posted on 02/04/2013 4:31:04 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Morgana

The baker (and anyone else) can get around this “law” by telling the homos he’s too busy, but can recommend another baker for them. I call it “polite disobedience”. If the homos still sue him after that, then they targeted him all along, and it will be up to them to prove he was NOT too busy for them.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 4:47:29 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: AU72

If the baker was Muslim, they never would have bothered him in the first place.


15 posted on 02/04/2013 4:50:41 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Morgana

There was a baker in Denver who ran into this type of problem a few months ago.

I think the name was something like “Magnificent Cakes” or “Magnificent Bakery”, but can’t find any reference to it.

Does anyone else recall what the name was?


16 posted on 02/04/2013 4:53:59 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jeffc

Homos are offened everytime their immorality is pointed out to them so they make a big public fuss all in the name of trying to always be accepted into society. They bully people into treating them with kid gloves publicly, but people’s real feelings don’t change.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 4:55:50 PM PST by dandiegirl
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18 posted on 02/04/2013 4:58:58 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: Morgana

Ah the poison fruit of the civil rights act. Offer services to the public and lose YOUR rights. I am sure the writers of that law didn’t expect that people would ever be forced to partake in celebrations of sexual deviancy but it just goes to show the dangers of trying to legislate morality.


19 posted on 02/04/2013 5:09:02 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Morgana

Since they did not identify themselves in the first place as a same sex couple; why should he have to serve them? I would say as usual they were working the system without a care for anyone but themselves.


20 posted on 02/04/2013 5:14:46 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Morgana

None of the stories about this bake shop ever name the women who complained. It amounts to an anonymous lynching by these women. My bet is that if one had the names of the women one would find they are operatives.


21 posted on 02/04/2013 5:15:34 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Morgana

The baker should have just agreed and made them a really atrocious, hidious, nasty cake and said sorry, I don’t understand what could have possibly happened.

Ya’ll come back now, hear?


22 posted on 02/04/2013 5:31:38 PM PST by slouper (Love it or leave it.)
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To: Morgana

I would bet this woman CHOSE to pick this baker BECAUSE she wanted to force him to have to accommodate her just to prove she could.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 5:35:06 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Morgana

What ever happened to this sign?

WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE!


24 posted on 02/04/2013 5:37:08 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Viennacon
This law violates the first amendment. He should take them all the way to the Supreme Court.

No, it does not violate the first amendment; it is a state law and the first amendment lays restriction upon Congress, not the State's legislature. Therein is the hidden evil of 'incorporation', it applies some magic to make the Constitution say what it does not -- amending it without amendment.

It is, however, an invalid law:

OR Constitution
Article I - Section 3. Freedom of religious opinion.

No law shall in any case whatever control the free exercise, and enjoyment of religeous [sic] opinions, or interfere with the rights of conscience.

25 posted on 02/04/2013 5:44:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Morgana

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone....


26 posted on 02/04/2013 5:50:46 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Morgana

The baker should have defrosted a Sara Lee frozen cake and stuck two cucumbers in it and said here’s your cake that will be $300.00.


27 posted on 02/04/2013 5:56:53 PM PST by TonyM
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28 posted on 02/04/2013 5:57:02 PM PST by narses
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29 posted on 02/04/2013 5:57:38 PM PST by narses
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To: ASOC
"Elections matter."

Sure, but at least we don't have a Mormon President. /sarc

30 posted on 02/04/2013 6:11:40 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
They seek out and try to destroy anyone who stands in their way.

This is not...nor has it EVER been...about marriage.

This is about putting the legal stamp of approval on the disordered behavior of homosexuality through threats of lawsuits,fines,or loss of employment....destroying any and all that remind them they're not normal!

31 posted on 02/04/2013 6:41:15 PM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

IIRC, Goldwater predicted this.


32 posted on 02/04/2013 6:44:41 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Morgana

Like I’ve been saying, law that supports “homosexual marriage” is designed to persecute those that refuse to service homosexual behavior.

The govt doesn’t belong in the marriage business.


33 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Morgana

Whatever happened to freedom of association? Did that get canceled?


34 posted on 02/04/2013 7:14:54 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Morgana

Bakeries are covered as public accomodations under USC Title 42. As such, service cannot be refused based on race, color, religion, or national origin. I don’t know if this has been amended to include sexual orientation.

Still, even if the law has not been amended, refusal of service to gays is probably actionable - and it would be up to the courts to decide.

I suppose that a bakery could still refuse service and not lose in court - by stating that it no longer will provide ANY wedding cakes to ANYONE, regardless of sexual orientation. But, it could still find itself in court, as above. Not to mention it would be cutting off its nose to spite its face [profit-wise] by doing so ...


35 posted on 02/04/2013 7:49:14 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Morgana

Oregon passed a hard-fought battle for a marriage amendment to their constitution. So, the immoral barbarians do end-runs to get at people of moral conscience in other ways, like “anti-discrimination” laws.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 7:10:35 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Gene Eric
Like I’ve been saying, law that supports “homosexual marriage” is designed to persecute those that refuse to service homosexual behavior.

The govt doesn’t belong in the marriage business.

Um..., even if the government were not "in the marriage business" the supposed anti-discrimination law would still be pressed by these sodomites. This has nothing to do with "marriage." Besides, Oregon already defines marriage as a man/woman institution in their Constitution, so these dykes are living in la-la land.

I have a better idea. Let's work to rescind the Civil Rights Act and have it declared unconstitutional. THAT is what is being used to strip us of our freedoms.

37 posted on 02/05/2013 7:16:22 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Morgana

Oregon prohibits same sex marriage by statute. How is the baker wrong?


38 posted on 02/05/2013 12:07:20 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Morgana

The practical solution is to mess up the order without saying anything directly.

Better still, change the government. This one is no good.


39 posted on 02/05/2013 5:53:13 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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