Skip to comments.Neanderthals Died Out Earlier Than Thought
Posted on 02/05/2013 1:16:36 PM PST by Pharmboy
The last Neanderthals had passed by southern Iberia quite earlier than previously thought.
Neanderthals may have died out earlier than before thought, researchers say.
These findings hint that Neanderthals did not coexist with modern humans as long as previously suggested, investigators added.
Modern humans once shared the planet with now-departed human lineages, including the Neanderthals, our closest known extinct relatives. However, there has been heated debate over just how much time and interaction, or interbreeding, Neanderthals had with modern humans.
To help solve the mystery, an international team of researchers investigated 215 bones previously excavated from 11 sites in southern Iberia, in an area known as Spain today. Neanderthals entered Europe before modern humans did, and prior research had suggested the last of the Neanderthals held out in southern Iberia until about 35,000 years ago, potentially sharing the region with modern humans for thousands of years.
Their data suggest that modern humans and Neanderthals may have actually lived in the area at completely different times, never crossing paths there at all. Even so, these findings do not call into question whether modern humans and Neanderthals once had sex the findings simply indicate this interbreeding must have occurred earlier, before modern humans entered Europe.
"The genetic evidence for interbreeding 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal DNA in present-day modern humans suggests that interbreeding probably occurred before the period we are looking at in the Levant, the region around Israel and Syria, when modern humans first migrated out of Africa," researcher Rachel Wood, an archaeologist and radiocarbon specialist at Australian National University in Canberra, told LiveScience.
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“Oh, the (near) humanity,” ping...
Earlier than who thought? Not me; I never thought about them at all.
A couple of them are still alive....and the live in house in Washington D.C....
I once had a business partner who was a Neanderthal.
Not true. They remain among us today, and one of them writes a column concerning economics for the NY Times.
Another, more primitive predecessor seems to have visited the villages though.
Today humanity appears to be divided into modern humans with Neanderthal ancestry and those without. Those with OWN EVERYTHING and think up all the new stuff.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was politically inspired faux science.
The left does not like the proven facts that Neanderthal and Cromagnun interbred to make the true European human. They want the African thing to be in the forefront.
Beat me by a minute
I notice that this story is written with a theme that is the same as all similar stories- that the news today is being discussed in terms that now we understand and we are so certain that now we are correct and how could we possibly have believed what we said was the truth in the distant past, like last week. We are so much more advanced today and know so much more, don’t we?
Did I ask how we could have possibly believed all the stuff we said previously was the truth? Well it was, but everyone who knows better knows that we are telling the truth this time.
The CroMagnon men killed all the Neanderthal men and raped all the Neanderthal women. That is when paper bags were invented by the CroMagnons.
Just wait till they demand reparations...
Now THAT’S funny...
Today humanity appears to be divided into modern humans with Neanderthal ancestry and those without. Those with OWN EVERYTHING and think up all the new
My guess is you are not far of, seems to me that creation was an ongoing project,new and improved models made and older ones discarded, some of wich survived as rebuild with some newer parts, mix and mach as it were LOL
Proud owner of Neanderthal DNA (2.7% of my total, and I’ve also got the brow ridges to prove it phgenotypically).
...followed closely by the 2-bag practice, i.e., one over your head in case hers falls off.....
Thank you very much, I’ll be here all week, remember to tip your waitress....
Most likely ~ no idea what it looks like to the other side, but on this side it looks like replacement models and cannibalism for parts.
“phgenotypically” ... I think you have a spelling error there you Neanderthal :-P ...
I need to get one of those tests ... I’m damn curious to see what I’m made of ... I’m hoping most of it is “unknown” or “related to Laz” :-).
Considering what some modern women look like, I bet Neanderthal women still got nailed by Cro-Magnon men on occasion.
Realistically, if young Neanderthal women looked like her, then they were no worse looking than what many guys bring home from the bar at closing time.
And, I was very pleased with 23andme.com since they give you ancestry as well as disease risks, carrier states, traits, etc. Look for discounts on the Interweb before you sign up. Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in that company.
The young Eleanor Clift.
Men have been known to copulate with chickens, geese, goats, cattle, horses, walruses, and each other. Not to mention ugly women.
Of course they raped the Neanderthal ladies if they caught them. How could it be otherwise?
And here I though they died out because the Neanderthal used single use plastic bags at the grocery store, and drove SUVs.
That is one disturbing post. That’s just baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
We didn’t get to where we are by being nice guys...oh yeah, we bad (not me, but as a species). ;-)
Nonsense - see them on GEICO commercials all the time.....
Problem was there was no beer to give them an excuse .....
I was surprised to read that Asians have a higher percent of Neanderthal DNA than do Europeans.
A big Scot is sitting in a bar, ranting as he downs his pints. He pounds his hand on the bar, says "You see this bar? I built this bar with me own two hands, a finer piece of work you'll newver find, but do they call me MacGregor the bar-builder? No!!" and he downs his pint and buys another.
He points out the window. "See that dock in the lake? I built that dock with me own hands, a finer piece of work you'll newver find, but do they call me MacGregor the dock-builder? No!!" and downs his pint.
He next pointed out the chair and table in the corner, the fence outside, all sorts of similar projects, and says "I built that with me own two hands, a finer piece of work you'll newver find, but do call me MacGregor the handyman? No!!"
He stares into his beer, whispers, "But you F*** one sheep."
Ok, so they used carbon dating on the bones to determine their age (as well as other techniques).
...and prior research had suggested the last of the Neanderthals held out in southern Iberia until about 35,000 years ago...
OK, So the results of this carbon dating of bones was over 35,000 years. But is carbon dating accurate that far back? I mean 35,000 years is about 7 half-lifes for the c14 isotope? Can we trust that what little is left is not just contamination?
Indeed. Essentially the only ones with 3.5 - 4% Neanderthal genes are Asians. Euros average 2.5% or so, and max out at 3.2% or thereabouts.
The examples you give are disorders of late and decadent civilizations, not primitive men.
Love that pic.
Always reminds me of Mrs. Lurkin’s side of the family.
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Thanks Pharmboy.Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.The Neandertal Enigma"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
Not true - there are several living in the White House at this very moment.
If the Neanderthal remains are over 40K years old, you’re really pushing the limits of what C14 dating can do accurately (half-life is something like 8K, right)?
Of course, that won’t stop the flat-Earthers from saying that mistakes in earlier estimates invalidate the whole concept of radiometric dating!
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