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Here's What An American High Speed Rail Network Could Look Like (See the map)
Business Insider ^ | 02/06/2013 | Alex Davis

Posted on 02/06/2013 8:05:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind

High speed rail is moving forward in California, but progress is pretty stagnant around the rest of the country. Still, there are a lot of proposals out there, and when placed on one map, they form an impressive rail network.

This map was put together by California Rail Map, led by Alfred Twu, which combined existing proposals from high speed rail advocacy groups around the US.

The US High Speed Rail Association, a nonprofit trade association, predicts a network similar to this one could be in place by 2030.

Transporation Secretary Ray LaHood has called for a large HSR network, saying it could link 80 percent of Americans within 25 years, for $500 billion.

Based on this map, starting in Los Anglees, a high speed train could get to New York, with stops in Denver and Chicago, in well under 18 hours.

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1 posted on 02/06/2013 8:05:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 02/06/2013 8:06:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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This is one of the goals of socialism (democrats)

that’s why they love this stupid rail crap

they hate we have cars and can be independent and free to go where we want to


3 posted on 02/06/2013 8:08:13 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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4 posted on 02/06/2013 8:08:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The people don’t care one wit about a trail system but hey, gotta create more jobs for the TSA.


5 posted on 02/06/2013 8:08:59 AM PST by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

With our present form of Government, the US can build no public project cheaply. We have the most expensive and complex Gov’t in the world.

This is all a pipe-dream.


6 posted on 02/06/2013 8:10:21 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

If you’re going to do it, do it like Japan were EVERY RAIL LINE IS PRIVATIZED.


7 posted on 02/06/2013 8:10:25 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where will the government find enough cash to keep such a money sink afloat? Mass transit has ever been a money losing proposition.


8 posted on 02/06/2013 8:10:29 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Democrat_media
This is the WHITE HOUSE VISION for High-Speed Rail :


9 posted on 02/06/2013 8:11:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Democrat_media

Plus they can bring more of these worthless illegals and socialists to your doorstep. What I like about the countryside it’s because of it’s isolation and inaccessibility. Now, it’s going to be just another station.


10 posted on 02/06/2013 8:13:50 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: SeekAndFind
"... a high speed train could get to New York, with stops in Denver and Chicago, in well under 18 hours."

And as much as I am a train watcher and supporter; if I'm an investor, this is a non-starter. It would cost probably 2X in ticket pricing and 3X in travel time (I'm also not buying that 'under 18 hours' bit). So why even consider this?

I'm sorry, but train travel is great for cargo (and should be expanded where possible for that purpose), but the convenient of air and even car travel is far more advantageous for passengers. So yes - I would defund Amtrak if I were in charge.

11 posted on 02/06/2013 8:14:25 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We could have had that and more out of the private rail industry, if the federal government had not both regulated/taxed the railroads out of existence and “competed” against them buy building the infrastructure of other transportation modes with tax dollars. What an awesome “thank you” the feds gave the railroads after WWII for their service during that war, eh? (Most of the technology used in high-speed rail would not have come to pass if not for US technology developed by people like Thomas Edison and George Westinghouse among others.)


12 posted on 02/06/2013 8:14:37 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

why passenger rail?

Google autodrive would be much more comfortable and personal.

Also high speed rail is not all high speed. it is only fast for a little bit.

Florida is already working on dumping theirs since it would be cheaper to just buy all the potential passengers a limo and driver for life.


13 posted on 02/06/2013 8:15:18 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

is it shaped like a bankrupt white elephant?


14 posted on 02/06/2013 8:17:54 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind; Willie Green

And we had a poster here once who was a fanboi of lightrail.
He had no problem with government forcing us to subsidize it.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 8:18:53 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: alancarp

I would gladly take a high speed train if it is built with private funds and no cost to the taxpayer and is cheaper than air travel or my car and the tickets must not be subsidized by the government.

What that really means is I will not be taking a high speed rail trip.


16 posted on 02/06/2013 8:19:15 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Haven’t stopped laughing yet! I thought flying cars were the wave of the future!!!!!


17 posted on 02/06/2013 8:19:47 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: max americana

Wyoming looks safe


18 posted on 02/06/2013 8:20:47 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That map almost perfectly mirrors the current Amtrak route map (which, by the way, no one is using)


20 posted on 02/06/2013 8:24:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: alancarp
Freight trains were faster back when we had more passenger trains operating. Sound counterintuitive? The passenger trains were faster too. Like Reagan said (and especially in this instance), government is the problem. The government killed both passenger rail and fast rail freight, among the other things it killed in this country.
21 posted on 02/06/2013 8:24:17 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind
Trains are Old Tech, even when made fast by modern improvements.
Airplanes are much faster.
Why would I spend 3 days on a train when I can go coast to coast in 8 hours on a plane?

22 posted on 02/06/2013 8:25:26 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: longtermmemmory

Most high speed rail has an average speed of 145 mph.


23 posted on 02/06/2013 8:26:39 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

Whether on paid business travel or on vacation, my time is worth $50/hr. Only on short trips of <360 miles is a train not going to make my trip vastly more expensive.

Say someone is making $25/hr, an additional 6hrs on the train equals $150. And the last time I checked, AMTRAK was already more expensive than flying.

Also, driving inside of 250 miles is almost always faster than total trip time of flying, from home to final destination.

Finally, with relatively little additional cost, current trains could be running at 100mph over most lines, but they don’t because it would be more expensive.


24 posted on 02/06/2013 8:27:32 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: BitWielder1

RE: Why would I spend 3 days on a train when I can go coast to coast in 8 hours on a plane?

Takes me only 5 hours to fly from NY to LA.


25 posted on 02/06/2013 8:28:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I like trains, but even ignoring the “We don’t have $500 billion to build a rail system that will need ongoing subsidies even if we thought the government should be running passenger rail service” argument, it is solving a problem we do not have.

Claiming that the proposal will connect 80% of Americans is ridiculous, unless you can bring your car along. Sure, if you take the train to Manhattan or Chicago, you can take a frequently occuring train/bus to other points in that city. But suburban coverage is much spottier. The USA is not Europe. Our businesses and people are not organized around downtowns.

Once done with the cherry picking in the northeast corridor, the drop-off is very fast. LA to Vegas to SF might get decent ridership. Chicago to where ... Cleveland? St. Louis? New Orleans? How many trips on the schedule? How many cars can you fill?

You live in Hoffman Estates, a suburb of Chicago. You want to go to St. Louis, to see the Rams game in person. Should be a pretty ideal trip, right? Okay. Well, first you have to face Chicago traffic when you drive from Hoffman Estates to Chicago. That should be good for almost 45 minutes, assuming traffic is light on Sunday morning. Now, you get to park your car somewhere in the vicinity of Union Station. That should run you $40 or more for the day. You have to get there a bit early, as TSA hangs out at Union Station. (”Nice doggie!”) say 30 an hour. It still isn’t as bad as the airports. Of course, so far you are farther from your destination than when you started. Pay your money, hop on board, and relax. And only two hours later, you are in downtown St.Louis, and the Stadium is within easy walking distance, and you don’t thave to pay for parking on the stadium end.

That’s a pretty ideal scenario, and still you saved HOW much time? About half an hour. And the cost of your trip was certainly greater, especially if you tend to take friends with you to the football game.

What’s more, long haul trains are subject to more delays than flights, and MANY more than hopping in your car when you feel like going.

IF freight were running on the same rails, we could talk, since the rails would serve multiple functions. But freight ain’t gonna ride those rails. Freight trains are for SLOW and HEAVY. 90%+ of the time those rails are gonna go unused. Planes fly in the air. Pretty cheap infrastructure once up there. We need roads anyway for the last mile, may as well let cars use them for the whole trip by connecting them all together! Oh ... we did that already.

Oh, and Americans like/need to take their stuff with them.

Trains ... a 19th century solution for 21st century transportation needs.


26 posted on 02/06/2013 8:29:45 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: SeekAndFind
Train of consequences.

I'm doing you a favor

As I'm taking all your money

I guess I should feel sorry

But I don't even trust me


27 posted on 02/06/2013 8:33:42 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: struggle

Japanese National Railways (centralized) is the one that built that bullet train system, and with World Bank funds (claiming that they were relegated to the status of a “developing” nation or suchlike). Privatization came afterwards, and it is by no means full privatization, not to mention that Japan Railways Group monopolizes all of the nominal “private” companies and the freight business is completely monopolized. I wouldn’t follow that lead.


28 posted on 02/06/2013 8:34:01 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

The map “could” look like that but the cited speeds (220 mph) means someone is drinking a lot of bong water. I’ve seen figures that would imply that to get all that trackbed able to sustain those speeds - let’s say you’re talking billions PER MILE. Ain’t never going to happen. The “shovel ready” projects back in 2008 consisted of union workers and companies owed by brothers-in-law filling potholes and causing interstates to filter down to one lane roads for a net gain of ZERO. Basically we can’t do infrastructure any more in this country. To the extent that we pretend to do so, it’s just a means of stealing money from the govt. (which in turn has stolen or printed the money) and causing traffic delays. /rant


29 posted on 02/06/2013 8:35:00 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: alancarp

Bet the deer and the antelope are going to love it.


30 posted on 02/06/2013 8:35:06 AM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Olog-hai

Yes. Always.


31 posted on 02/06/2013 8:37:55 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You forgot to add “built and run by China” as a means of paying the ‘interest’ on the debt criminally created by the traitors in our government to them.


32 posted on 02/06/2013 8:39:17 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: SeekAndFind
High speed rail is moving forward in California,...

Last time I heard, California has spent many, many millions of dollars on "High Speed Rail", and has yet to put down even a single meter of track.

33 posted on 02/06/2013 8:41:15 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: BitWielder1
Why would I spend 3 days on a train when I can go coast to coast in 8 hours on a plane?

I went across Canada by train.

For a tourist it's great, much better than flying, better scenery, better food, better service, numerous chances to stop and smell the roses, enough time to hang our with your fellow passengers, etc.

For business, or whenever getting there quickly is more important, no, never.

OTOH, if our congress critters were required to go by surface transportation, perhaps they wouldn't be quite so contemptuous of "flyover country"...

34 posted on 02/06/2013 8:44:39 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind

all this will do is make travel more difficult and give tsa more power to restrict people’s movement. plus it will never ever break even, it will be a huge money loser, like all passenger rail service is. fast amtrak. that’s it. only losing money a lot faster than amtrak.

next we’ll be forced to take it. we need to prop up rail by letting the highway system go to hell.


35 posted on 02/06/2013 8:44:52 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Olog-hai
Most high speed rail has an average speed of 145 mph.

They're apparently getting 300 MPH in Japan.

...of course that's ignoring simple factual differences -- the several states are HUGE compared to Japan; there are wide-open spaces (low population density) all around; and the cost of such a continent-wide infrastructure.

36 posted on 02/06/2013 8:45:34 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: sima_yi

Not only that, they have yet to purchase the land for the track.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/27/local/la-me-bullet-land-20130127


37 posted on 02/06/2013 8:46:40 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Repulican Donkey
I thought flying cars were the wave of the future!!!!!

Three simple words: air traffic control.

38 posted on 02/06/2013 8:47:20 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I see Chicago is THE major hub for this... debacle. I wonder if they think this will “rehabilitate” Murder City’s reputation or will they just export their problems across the rest of the country?

On the other hand it does link all of the “Liberal” pest-holes together.


39 posted on 02/06/2013 8:47:51 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: PGR88
With our present form of Government, the US can build no public project cheaply. We have the most expensive and complex Gov’t in the world. This is all a pipe-dream.

It makes a lot of sense to have a modern and efficient rail system. That being said, there is no way to have one that is either if the government is involved.

Think of this, a private rail line that has motivation to have the most efficient operations possible (a government run line has no such motivation) is required to build, maintain, insure and be taxed on every foot of track, every bridge, every facility and every piece of equipment. Trucking companies use public roads and airlines use public airports financed with the very taxes that the rail lines pay. In essence the railroads are forced to pay for their competition.

There will be no viable rail alternative until this stops

40 posted on 02/06/2013 8:51:37 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: SeekAndFind
BitWielder1 ~ Why would I spend 3 days on a train when I can go coast to coast in 8 hours on a plane?

SeekAndFind ~ Takes me only 5 hours to fly from NY to LA.

Including getting to the airport, parking, cavity searches, waiting for luggage and renting a car at the destination?

Uh, nevermind, you'd have to do those things at the rail terminal...

41 posted on 02/06/2013 8:52:01 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Based on this map, starting in Los Angles, a high speed train could get to New York, with stops in Denver and Chicago, in well under 18 hours.

Gosh! Why that's faster than...um...it used to be.

And in one third of the time you could fly it for a Hell of a lot less money than any HSR would have to charge even with a hefty subsidy from the taxpayers.

Welcome to the liberal mind thought of "moving forward." Choo Choo trains, windmills and electric cars.

42 posted on 02/06/2013 8:56:15 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

stupidest thing anyone ever thought of!


43 posted on 02/06/2013 8:56:41 AM PST by dalereed
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To: The Working Man

Chicago has been a transportation hub since, well, transportation.


44 posted on 02/06/2013 8:57:10 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: The Working Man

I don’t want any form of transportation that makes it easier for anything to come out of Chicago.


45 posted on 02/06/2013 8:57:10 AM PST by MWestMom (Will Americans stop someone who views our children as "collateral damage" in their quest for power?)
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To: OneWingedShark

WADR, you misread that. The maglev was, is and always will be experimental. Conventional rail with high-speed operation (186 mph, usually) does get average speeds of 145 mph from end to end.

The only thing driving up the cost for infrastructure is government. A lot of existing railroads are quite straight (curveless) and could support high-speed running with minimal improvements. On top of that, government has gotten in the way of development of technologies that would permit high-speed operation without the additional expense of overhead wire infrastructure. Also funny that our “benevolent” government never thought of combining high-speed rail infrastructure and highway infrastructure, thus driving down the cost for both, yes?


46 posted on 02/06/2013 8:58:39 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: alancarp

Passenger rail has been a losing proposition ever since the automobile gained popularity, and even more so when air travel came about. Class I railroads in this country were probably only too happy to let the government take their passenger traffic (and pay them for use of their rails to boot!).


47 posted on 02/06/2013 9:00:31 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free." - Mike Muir)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll hold out for the personal transporters (ala Star Trek). About as likely to happen as this and the research money would likely be less.


48 posted on 02/06/2013 9:04:45 AM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: null and void
Including getting to the airport, parking, cavity searches, waiting for luggage and renting a car at the destination?

Point is: Train days, Air hours.
All the hassles you mention won't change either.
And security... how are they supposed to guard tens of thousands of miles of railroad when they can't, or won't, guard some 2000+ miles of southern border.
Make a high-speed train de-rail and it will be every bit as ugly as a plane crash.

49 posted on 02/06/2013 9:05:07 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: GeronL

No, like Michelle’s overstuffed ass.


50 posted on 02/06/2013 9:05:50 AM PST by steve8714 (We miss you, Stan.)
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