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Bill: Make 'Atlas Shrugged' mandatory
upi ^ | Feb. 6, 2013

Posted on 02/07/2013 6:13:54 AM PST by JoeProBono

BOISE, Idaho, - An Idaho Republican state senator who introduced a bill requiring high school students to read "Atlas Shrugged" said he doesn't plan to push for passage.

Sen. John Goedde, chairman of the Senate Education Committee, introduced the bill Tuesday that would mandate students pass a test on Ayn Rand's 1957 best-seller, frequently cited by conservative politicians such as U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., as inspiration for their politics.

When Republican Sen. Bob Nonini asked Goedde why he proposed making "Atlas Shrugged" required reading, Goedde got a laugh when he said, "That book made my son a Republican."

Goedde, however, said he doesn't plan to move the bill forward -- he just wanted to express his unhappiness with the State Board of Education for recent changes in graduation requirements, and a change in the way school principals are evaluated," The (Spokane, Wash.) Spokesman-Review reported.

"It was a shot over their bow just to let them know that there's another way to adopt high school graduation requirements," Goedde said.

Rand's book describes an America in which business leaders decide to stop working to protest higher taxes and government regulation.

"When I read 'Atlas Shrugged,' and it's been probably 30 years since I read it, but it certainly gives one a sense of personal responsibility," Goedde said.

For the record, Goedde said his son is not actually "a practicing Republican. But it certainly made him a conservative."


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: atlasshrugged

1 posted on 02/07/2013 6:14:05 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Smaller Government???? I do not like mandatory laws no matter who they come from. I think that if a kid wants to read that book then ensure it is on the Summer list or reading list and let them choose.


2 posted on 02/07/2013 6:21:22 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: JoeProBono
Hey, I have an idea, John ... how about a civics class and study the Constitution and the Bill of Rights ?

Wouldn't that be neat ?

3 posted on 02/07/2013 6:21:58 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: JoeProBono

I think the book is dumb and can’t stand that garbage.
More worthwhile is Witness by Whittaker Chambers


4 posted on 02/07/2013 6:24:19 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: knarf

Did you read the book about when all the Bluegrass musicians went out on strike? It’s called “Atlas Scrugged”.


5 posted on 02/07/2013 6:24:19 AM PST by Corey Ohlis (Visualize Swirled Peas)
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To: knarf

It is a good read (have read the book twice) but anymore there is a huge flaw in that Communist China is taking over from us.

Communist China.

Think about that. We are buying everything from Communists.

Wake up people.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 6:24:57 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: yldstrk
I think the book is dumb and can’t stand that garbage.

You think the book is "dumb?" You "can't stand that garbage?"

What are you, five years old?

7 posted on 02/07/2013 6:31:29 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: yldstrk
Read both..gotta confess I prefer the hot RR babe converted to conservatism over the ugly old reformed commie with the Alger Hiss obsession.

Both books have value but AS makes the original American way more entertaining.

8 posted on 02/07/2013 6:31:29 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza is like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: napscoordinator

This is not an issue of smaller government versus bigger government...and for the record, we already have mandatory reading lists...its called SCHOOL CURRICULUM - this is just a suggestion to add Atlas Shrugged to that list. No expansion of anything.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 6:33:09 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: yldstrk

I have reservations about anyone who would call AS “garbage” - putting them in agreement on this issue with Obama. But moreover, why would it be mutually exclusive concepts to read both Rand and Chambers? I don’t think there’s a law we can only read one or the other? And they’re different books.


10 posted on 02/07/2013 6:37:17 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: JoeProBono

In today’s education monopoly, the good intention will just get twisted by teachers’ union.

Their minds had been poisoned, they don’t see any other way.


11 posted on 02/07/2013 6:37:47 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Ann Rand was not writing arguments based on facts but social science kind of garbage that I despise.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 6:42:37 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: JoeProBono

And while they are at it, have them read and study “The 5000 Year Leap.”


13 posted on 02/07/2013 6:44:19 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: napscoordinator

I’d settle for “A History of the American People” by Paul Johnson, instead the Howoard Zinn crap.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 6:47:40 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: yldstrk
Ann Rand was not writing arguments based on facts but social science kind of garbage that I despise.

Let me help you out here with a concept: Rand was a fiction writer, and yet her stories are remarkably prescient. In other words, her "facts" didn't happen until decades later, which we call prophetic or prescient. She drew on her life under communism as an inspiration. Frankly, I don't think you've read her work, I am calling you out here for reading something "about" her work and using that as an excuse not to read it. Your "social science" garbage statement makse zero sense at all. And by the way, it's Ayn, not Ann.

15 posted on 02/07/2013 6:48:03 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: yldstrk
>Ann Rand was not writing arguments based on facts but social science kind of garbage that I despise.

"Ann Rand"

16 posted on 02/07/2013 7:02:49 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The Chinese are “Communist in name only.”


17 posted on 02/07/2013 7:07:53 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: yldstrk

“I think the book is dumb and can’t stand that garbage.
More worthwhile is Witness by Whittaker Chambers”

I read both books, don’t remember too much of “Witness” however, “Atlas Shrugged” sticks to my brain like no other book.


18 posted on 02/07/2013 7:21:52 AM PST by topspinr
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

I disagree then.

The Chinese are very much Communist.


19 posted on 02/07/2013 7:22:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: yldstrk

You never read Atlas Shrugged.


20 posted on 02/07/2013 7:22:50 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JoeProBono
The best way to get most teenagers to hate a book is to tell them they must read it (and later get tested on it).
21 posted on 02/07/2013 7:40:31 AM PST by gdani
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To: topspinr

well it’s the reverse for me. Some philosophy major in college waxed on about the fabulousness of Ann Rand, but when I read it, I thought it was weird and unfathomable.


22 posted on 02/07/2013 7:43:07 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Lou L

i’m five and you are two.


23 posted on 02/07/2013 7:44:12 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: JoeProBono

We The Living is much much better book.


24 posted on 02/07/2013 7:46:20 AM PST by GSWarrior (I'll wear the hide of my rival.)
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To: Corey Ohlis

LOL


25 posted on 02/07/2013 7:47:59 AM PST by GSWarrior (I'll wear the hide of my rival.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

yeah, I know she was a fiction writer, yeah I haven’t read the book in the last 30 years. When I did read it I was about maybe 22 and I thought it was awful. Don’t get people panting over how fab it is, but that’s what makes horse races.


26 posted on 02/07/2013 7:49:27 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There is a measure of economic freedom in China. Communist countries have zero economic freedom.


27 posted on 02/07/2013 8:04:05 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: yldstrk
When I did read it I was about maybe 22 and I thought it was awful. Don’t get people panting over how fab it is, but that’s what makes horse races.

If it's been 30 years since you read the book, perhaps you weren't old enough at the time to appreciate it. As others have pointed out, Rand was a fictional writer--but she espoused her objectivist' philosophy within her stories.

While I wouldn't use "fab" to describe her or her works, many still appreciate that her books--particularly "Atlas Shrugged," was almost prophetic in its accuracy. The current events we see happening today, with respect to politic-economics, were portrayed in her books. She learned from her Russian upbringing, and saw the collectivist mindset taking root here in the United States. AS was a warning to us, for those who chose to read it and understand.

By the way, were there any characters in the book you found at least a little interesting?

28 posted on 02/07/2013 8:22:18 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: yldstrk
Don’t get people panting over how fab it is

Because 57 years ago she CORRECTLY PREDICTED TODAYS UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!! You ain't 22 and this ain't the early 80s. I submit you should at least check out the film version, and you'll "get people panting" over it.

29 posted on 02/07/2013 8:25:03 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Lou L
What are you, five years old?

Finally. We've heard from an Ayn Rand fan. A magnificent comment. Truly inspiring and no doubt . . . Well, that's it. I really can't think of anything nice to say about Ayn Rand kool-aid drinkers.
30 posted on 02/07/2013 8:33:10 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: righttackle44
Finally. We've heard from an Ayn Rand fan. A magnificent comment. Truly inspiring and no doubt . . . Well, that's it. I really can't think of anything nice to say about Ayn Rand kool-aid drinkers.

Look troll, I really don't need your blessings. Go back and look at the context of my question. The original poster claimed AS was "dumb." You don't have to to be an Ayn Rand fan, and you don't have to like her books, her philosophy, her heritage, whatever. But in the nearly 15 years I've been on FreeRepublic, I've come to expect that fellow posters will at least put forth some rational argument for their position. If you're unwilling to engage in polite discourse as an adult, you're no better than the crowd at DU. In other words, you behave like a 5 year-old child.

31 posted on 02/07/2013 9:25:06 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...

Ping.


32 posted on 02/07/2013 11:46:32 AM PST by Publius ("A centralized government is a centralized evil." -- Gen. John Graham)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...

Ping.


33 posted on 02/07/2013 11:47:38 AM PST by Publius ("A centralized government is a centralized evil." -- Gen. John Graham)
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To: JoeProBono

I’d rather make “The Road To Serfdom” mandatory. Atlas Shrugged is one huge, long novel. Most people can’t wade through it.


34 posted on 02/07/2013 12:07:04 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Lou L
FR really needs a "like" button so I can "like" comments like yours.

I've heard Ayn Rand and AS called a lot of things. "Dumb" is not one of them.

35 posted on 02/07/2013 12:15:02 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

Thanks, Nelson. I’ve often wished for such a button too.


36 posted on 02/07/2013 12:31:46 PM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: C. Edmund Wright; yldstrk


37 posted on 02/07/2013 2:24:57 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Yes! A thousand times yes!


38 posted on 02/07/2013 5:12:55 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Lou L

Atlas Shrugged is one of the most intelligently written novels of the 20th century. Some people just lack the intelligence and maturity to appreciate it. Chances are they couldn’t get past the first few pages because it was simply beyond their capacity to understand it.


39 posted on 02/07/2013 11:27:58 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JoeProBono

AuH2O converted me into a conservative (in my heart I knew he was right). Ayn Rand sealed the deal (she scared the $hit out of me). See my tag.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 7:12:38 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: cotton1706
I’d settle for “A History of the American People” by Paul Johnson,..

Read it twice already. Great writer.

41 posted on 02/08/2013 7:24:11 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: yldstrk

“Ann Rand was not writing arguments based on facts but social science kind of garbage that I despise.”

Since you don’t even know it is not “Ann” and your entire intellectual comment was simply, “dumb”, I HIGHLY doubt you ever read it nor understand it. Her writings were based in fact since she grew up in the Communist Russia during the days of the revolutions and as an adult knew the Socialists of the day and what they were saying. Her writings were warnings of the ideas of the Marxists and what they desired for govenment.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 7:39:35 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

ok you are not the first to point out that she grew up under Commidom and her name is spelled “Ayn”. If you had bothered to read the thread you would

a. Know I am not a liar and
b. Know that yes, you are right, I HAVEN’T READ IT (SINCE I WAS 22 that is) AND IT BORED ME STIFF THEN

So, now I am led to believe that just like Nicodemus, Ayn was “prescient” and “predicted” what would happen. Well, so was George Orwell and at least his books were readable. So I guess she was a prophet and good for her.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 8:07:56 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: JoeProBono
The last thing we want is Rand in the school system - it's designed to be a subversive book. Allowing union teachers to "interpret" the book for their students would do more harm than good.

Anyone who has achieved any position of of power in any social hierarchy through any means other than merit inevitably hates Rand's works. America's government-media complex is chock full of Catherine Halseys and Ellsworth Tooheys and they don't like seeing themselves so fully exposed. Rand captured the ethos of the Obama Administration very nicely in this quote:

"We are all equal under the skin. And I, for one, am willing to skin humanity to prove it." -- Ellsworth Toohey, The Fountainhead

44 posted on 02/08/2013 8:21:50 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves


45 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:26 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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