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Congress- not email- destroyed the USPS
Salon.com ^ | Feb. 6, 2013 | John Tirney

Posted on 02/08/2013 1:22:31 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt

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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Why, I think that reducing service, raising rates, begging taxpayer money and blaming everyone else is always a good way to get the public on your side.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 2:57:51 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SgtHooper

Rubber band? You got lucky! I’ve had two boxes in the last two months jammed into the mailbox to the extent that I thought I was going to have get the Jaws of Life to pry the mailbox apart enough to extract the boxes. Fortunately, the items in the boxes were well packed and despite the damage to the boxes from semi-extreme extraction menthods, what was inside was ok. The mail carriers will do just about anything not to get out of their trucks and come to the door with anything.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 2:57:51 PM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: MissMagnolia

Haha, you are right, I recall that happening here, too.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 3:51:49 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: driftdiver

Yep, USPS is another one of their hosts and soon to be among their casualties.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 3:54:51 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: dinodino
you missed a lot of things ~ the USPS borrowing system is arcane to say the least, but no, they don't borrow from the US government BUT the US government has currently borrowed the retirement funds deposited with OPM or their employees.

The $5.4 billion payment is one of a number. They finally ran out of money.

I am tired of subsidizing the taxpayers!

25 posted on 02/08/2013 4:08:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Really? Thought they were paid like my local union employees.

A cop starting out in San Jose has a base salary and the tax payer contributes 100%. Or $38k + per year towand their retirement. same with fire fighters, librarians earning $200k in base salary and IT guys earning $80k base per year.

Si it’s completely different fir USPS?


26 posted on 02/08/2013 4:19:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: muawiyah

Really ??? You seem passed at me for some reason. I’ve got two friends who are USPS. They are members of my lodge. I don’t have contact with them until next week but, I will ask them.

It’s my understanding they do belong to a union. It’s called something or other


27 posted on 02/08/2013 4:24:29 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

The small rural post offices are nothing the big city APWU/NALC (bargaining unit) want to have kept in business ~ you are looking for NAPUS and National League of Postmasters. They have a right to consult with management, but are not unions ~


28 posted on 02/08/2013 4:35:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vendome

http://www.postmasters.org/ ~ you’ll find that the International Socialists are in league with this group to keep open useless small post offices ~ (note Bernie Sanders in the text). We want to close these guys down ~ 28,000 of them haven’t served a purpose since the 1920s.


29 posted on 02/08/2013 4:38:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vendome

http://www.postmasters.org/ ~ you’ll find that the International Socialists are in league with this group to keep open useless small post offices ~ (note Bernie Sanders in the text). We want to close these guys down ~ 28,000 of them haven’t served a purpose since the 1920s.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 4:38:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Who are these people?

http://www.apwu.org/index2.htm


31 posted on 02/08/2013 4:41:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: muawiyah

APWU has over 300k in members ...


32 posted on 02/08/2013 4:44:24 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: muawiyah

Seems like there are at least 7 national unions and more than 50 local or regional.

Gotta go. Dinner time.


33 posted on 02/08/2013 4:47:50 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

The big dogs are NALC and APWU ~ but they don’t work at those small post offices.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 4:57:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vendome
of course USPS is different. it depends on USER FEES not taxes. postage is a user fee. Plus USPS is regulated by the postal rate commission, and has its own FBI sort of police agency called the Postal Inspection Service, and on top of that there's the Postal Inspector General.

Ultimately postal retirees are paid an annuity by Office of Personnel Management (a us gub'mnt agency) but the employees and the USPS have paid funds into that system. This is done on an actuarially sound basis ~ no expectation of 8% returns like those police department local retirements assume ~

There's a HUGE fund that's built up from postal contributions ~ it's worth hundreds of billions of dollars. The US gub'mnt has borrowed it ~ to get around the debt limit!

Postal employees and retirees are currently subsidizing the US Government ~

35 posted on 02/08/2013 5:06:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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but basically there were just under 1/2 million employees in the post office department about 1966 ~ mail volume was 25 billion pieces. There are currently just a few more than 1/2 million emplopyees in the USPS ~ mail volume was 200 billion pieces.

Your mail-piece count is correct, but in 1969 there were almost 1 million employees. It's about 350,000 now.

36 posted on 02/08/2013 5:31:16 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: Rinnwald
Gist: Eevil Congress forced the USPS to fund its unfunded liabilities.

Nonsense -- even posted twice, it's nonsense.

The USPS wasn't "forced to fund its unfunded liabilities", it was forced to fund nonexistent, potential, future liabilities. I'm sorry to say it was a Republican Congress that ordered it.

No other government branch was required to do the same. Why was that?

37 posted on 02/08/2013 5:35:03 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: BfloGuy
1966 ~ not 1969 ~ one of the major reasons behind setting up USPS was productivity ~ Congress wouldn't even appropriate funds or spare parts to fix existing equipment ~ obviously they weren't going to appropriate funds for modern automation equipment, or even mechanization.

Folks regularly sat around drawing up enormously impressive charts showing the date when the POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT would employ every man, woman and child in the country!

There was a strike in 1969. The Postal Reorganization Act was passed in 1970. The USPS began in 1971.

It's really important to keep these dates straight. The first date I gave you was in 1966. It came from a major management presentation made available for review on June 11, 1966.

Mail began taking off as an advertising vehicle and using the old manual distribution systems and antiquated rules the POD was hiring people right and left to get it handled and delivered.

Along the way in that period the old national hub office at Chicago literally broke down and they couldn't even get the mail into the building. Tractor trailers were lined up for miles all over the Chicago region waiting for dock time at the main post office. Then there was the strike. Congress reeled under the weight of the customer complaints ~ many of them complained that they had no time or anything else ~ they begged Richard M. Nixon to save them!

38 posted on 02/08/2013 5:44:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
It's really important to keep these dates straight. The first date I gave you was in 1966. It came from a major management presentation made available for review on June 11, 1966.

I truly do -- and did -- understand the difference between 1966 and 1969. The fact remains that the Post Office employed some 960,000 in 1969.

My point was that the Post Office has severly reduced its workforce.

39 posted on 02/08/2013 5:55:54 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: muawiyah

“Severly” is often spelled “severely”. Cheers.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 5:56:49 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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