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Jonah Mowry: 'Whats goin on..'( School Bullying)
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Posted on 02/09/2013 7:29:40 PM PST by wintertime

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To: Marie

What goes around comes around. I was 5-7 and 135 in high school and Nathan B was about 5-10 and 160, why he decided to pick on me I don’t know but I ended up fighting him 3 times and got my arse kicked all three times. After high school I went into the Army and he pursued his career as a part time oil field hand and professional bar fly.
Two years after I got out of the Army and as a rookie deputy with the Sheriff’s office we met again. I got a call about a domestic disturbance and when I got there his wifes face was covered in blood where he’s beat the hell out her, I later found out this wasn’t the first time. He knew who I was and laughed at the thought of me putting cuff’s on him and even taunted me. One hard blast of pepper spray to the face and he started hollering like a baby even after I cuffed him and took him to the ER to get cleaned up and a wound in his hand taken care of. He stayed in county until his trial (no bondsman would take him) then he got one year with the state. Vengance was mine!

He came back and stayed out of trouble for about 6 months then got involved in a income tax scam and got him another 10 years with the state and thats the last I heard about him. Couldn’t have happen to a nicer guy!


51 posted on 02/10/2013 5:12:32 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: wintertime

One thing I discovered is that bullies are usually coddled by the school. The more trouble you cause, the more likely you will see the school look the other way. Violent minorities are particularly coddled because suspending them hurts your stats. The more of them involved in an incident, the less likely they will be punished.
The fewer minorities that get punished, the better the principal looks in the eyes of the school system. The only major exception is gay kids. They get a certain amount of protection by the system.


52 posted on 02/10/2013 5:24:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: wintertime
Seriously? What can a kid do, other than find and use the defenses prisoners use in prison: Form a protection gang ( clique), or be prepared to bloody the perp.

Seriously? Are you that pathetic? This is a lesson that EVERY child must learn. EVERY child gets picked on. Too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny, too loud, too quiet, too rich, too poor, too black, too white, too whatever. All kids of ALL cultures and ALL races, throughout ALL time have been bullied at some point and in some way. It is a rite of passage to figure out the lesson: how to make someone stop who gets pleasure out of annoying / hurting / dominating / insulting you. The usual solutions include (depending on the type of bullying):
showing that is no longer bothers you (so it no longer gives them pleasure, so they move on to the next one),
getting into a physical confrontation (you may very well lose, but if you inflict enough damage to make it no longer worthwhile... or if you gain a bit of respect... it stops),
getting / making friends to make it a numbers game,
give better insults that you get,
some opt for joining the bullies, and insulting themselves (which makes for self-esteem issues later on, but it is a relatively common and somewhat viable tactic)...
there are almost as many solutions as there are bullies. Pick your top ten, try each, and see what works best. If none do, try the next ten.

One-on-one therapy, Presidential PSAs, talks with the principal or the parents, and other moronic nanny-interventions don't work. Never have, in any culture, in any period of history. Never will. The point is to learn to defend yourself, or else be attacked forever. Hell, this is part of the animal kingdom. It's not just HUMAN nature that features it. The runr of the litter is not well treated. Figure out a way to best the bullies, or avoid being a fun victim... or else have limp-wristed parents fret over "what to do" on public forum boards.

Welcome to mammal-hood. Life takes effort, and an interest in self-preservation.

53 posted on 02/10/2013 5:30:34 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Dusty Road

I’ve got to share that story with my son, lol! He’s working on becoming a cop. :)


54 posted on 02/10/2013 5:34:14 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: mylife
At any rate I think most healthy kids yearn to be adults
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Even babies don't like being babies. There is constant striving to master their world.

In our homeschool one of the most fascinating processes to watch was the children's’ play. They played **intensely** and often their projects extended over many months and a few projects continued over several years. Gradually, their intense play became their adult vocations and avocations.

55 posted on 02/10/2013 5:47:41 AM PST by wintertime
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To: AppyPappy

Very good point!

Also....I think bullies in school perform the same “controller” function as bullies in prison, and for the same reason are deliberately overlooked by the teachers and principals. Bullies guarantee a cowed, timid, and easily manipulated population of prisoners ( students) who are constantly striving to conform and not attract attention.

Again: If we treat our nation’s children like socialist and godless prisoners in our nation’s godless and socialist schools, we risk having a population of future citizens who are comfortable being prisoners of the government.


56 posted on 02/10/2013 5:53:13 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Teacher317
It is a rite of passage to figure out the lesson:
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No. It isn't a rite of passage for homeschoolers.

It just seem normal because our citizens have forgotten ( its’ taken five or six generations) that brick and mortar, Prussian-model, and prison-like SCHOOL IS NOT NORMAL.

Over 150,000 years of human ancestors would be ***APPALLED** at how we treat children. Homeschoolers are proving every day, for decades now, that children learn best in the company of caring ADULTS. These are adults who are there to model and teach rational and humane ways to handle the conflict that happens in everyone’s life without beating another person to a pulp or allowing bullies to bloody them.

When compulsory government schooling was first introduced in our nation some states had to call out the militia to enforce the law. The citizens who objected were right and we are now seeing why they were right. We have a nation of citizens who just voted in the most socialist president ( fascist and Marxist even) in the history of our nation!

If we treat children like prisoners in our socialist and government owned and run indoctrination centers we will get a nation of citizens that is comfortable being socialist prisoners of the government!

Personally, I WILL NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT SCHOOL TEACHER FOR A FRIEND. Yes! I consider government schooling to be **that** evil.

57 posted on 02/10/2013 6:04:45 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Teacher317
Teacher 317,

You have just described “Lord of the Flies” and prison life.

No, my adult life is not about constantly strategizing about defending myself, worrying about bloodying someone’s nose, being bloodied by them, or hiding in a corner worrying about being the “first victim”.

This is PRISON LIFE, ( not real world of adult living) that you are describing.

58 posted on 02/10/2013 6:11:00 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Marie
My husband just made an interesting comment. He said:

“Today, it isn't just **one** bully. It is a GANG of bullies!”

Our government schools are teaching minorities to **hate** whites. We should remember that. Honestly, there are schools that are soooo bad that it would be better for the child to **never** attend. Illiteracy and innumeracy can be fixed. Dead or crippled can't be.

59 posted on 02/10/2013 6:15:49 AM PST by wintertime
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To: AppyPappy

As my husband pointed out, the posters here are remembering their own childhood prison (oops! “school” ) days. Then there was usually only one bully.

Today, there are GANGS of bullies who have been taught to hate the entire white race.

We should remember that DEAD ( or permanently crippled and scarred) can’t be fixed. Illiteracy and innumeracy can be. And...There are schools in this nation that are, indeed, so bad that it would be better for the child to never attend.


60 posted on 02/10/2013 6:20:21 AM PST by wintertime
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To: ConservativeInPA
I call it keeping the neighborhood clean. BTW, there is no crime in our neighborhood. The men on my block (it may be strange, but everyone is married, and most close to or over twenty years) will not allow it.
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The education-industrial complex ( K-12 though the Ph.D. level) is doing all that it can to emasculate men.

Our nation in a few short years will soon reap the harvest. We will have a nation of hairy boy-men who are utterly incapable of defending themselves and their nation. They won't have families to defend because they won't have figured out how to get out of their mom's basement.

Honestly....Why do conservatives fail to see the urgency? Our nation's children ( boys and girls) are being damaged by our nation's socialist, GODLESS, and prison-like schools and conservatives fail to shut the abomination down!

Personally, I see our nation's godless government owned and run socialist-entitlement schools to be sooooooo evil for children and such a threat to freedom that I WILL NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT TEACHER FOR A FRIEND!

61 posted on 02/10/2013 6:28:23 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Dusty Road

Great story!

For some Karma sucks. For others it is sweet. :-)


62 posted on 02/10/2013 6:30:00 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Teacher317; Dusty Road

Most of the posters here are remembering their own prison-like experiences in school with a bullies. But...Today, there is a difference.

Today, there are GANGS of bullies.


63 posted on 02/10/2013 6:33:01 AM PST by wintertime
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Another one for the “Another Reason to Homeschool” ping list.

There is a lively conversation going on here.


64 posted on 02/10/2013 6:35:37 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

Another one for the “Another Reason to Homeschool” ping list.


65 posted on 02/10/2013 6:36:19 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Well you don’t have to stand out but you do have to stand up, If not you create your own prison.


66 posted on 02/10/2013 7:37:17 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
Well you don’t have to stand out but you do have to stand up, If not you create your own prison.
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Learning not to stand out is a lesson well taught in our nation's prison-like government schools and is a form of self-imprisonment that many of our fellow citizens carry throughout their lives.

If you read the history of the beginnings of state controlled compulsory education in the U.S. “Not Standing Out” and creating a conformist population was the very **goal** of those who pushed so hard for compulsory and state controlled government schooling.

67 posted on 02/10/2013 8:00:33 AM PST by wintertime
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To: ConservativeInPA

“This kid needs to fight back ... kick the living crap out of the kids that bully him.”

Right. The bully and his gang. Not all bullying is one-on-one, and “kicking the crap” out of the bully, much like the 100lb woman in a movie “kicking the crap” out of a 250lb man, great fantasy but hardly a given reality.

“It really doesn’t matter if he loses a fights against bullies.”

It certainly does. Pounding a weak blob is not as entertaining pounding a weaker person fighting back.

“At least he is able to say that he stood up to them.”

That is true.

“And the real outcome is once you stand up to a bully, it is no longer worth the effort for the bully to pick on you if he knows he will be in a fight and will be hurt.”

The “real outcome” is it is likely the bully (and/or his gang) beat the stuffing out of the kid and get great pleasure in doing so. Look at bully/gang behavior today—fighting and beating among other thugs are normal behavior. . .and that means getting hurt and this apparently doesn’t stop them, so why would they stop when beating/bullying a kid that might fight back but lose every time.

Nice you were such a strong fighter that your wild attack on your bully ended so neatly. Made-for-TV movie moment, for sure.


68 posted on 02/10/2013 8:05:27 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

And I guess you would have liberal teachers solve the kids problems, like that has been working. You suggest that he his dealing with a gang. I didn’t get that from the video. But if he is, there are other solutions to that problem.


69 posted on 02/10/2013 8:09:48 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“And I guess you would have liberal teachers solve the kids problems, like that has been working.”

Great leap on your part.

“You suggest that he his dealing with a gang.”

Suggested it is a possibility. You know from life most bullies have followers, i.e., a “gang,” meaning those that would rather cowardly hang with the bully than be bullied themselves. Are you suggesting it isn’t possible the bully has a “gang?”

Point is, your one-size-fits-all solution doesn’t work in all cases, and in some cases, can make it worse. Who knows how much and what types of abuse this kid endured. Thing is, he is at the end of his rope and apparently has nowhere to turn.

Solution? Who knows, each situation is different so your simple “just kick the poo out of them” as the definitive course of action is hardly helpful.


70 posted on 02/10/2013 8:28:01 AM PST by Hulka
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To: ConservativeInPA
And I guess you would have liberal teachers solve the kids problems, like that has been working.
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I suggest that reforming government schools is impossible and that these socialist-entitlement, godless, and prison-like facilities be SHUT DOWN PERMANENTLY!

Wa’na see a liberal curled up in a sniveling fetal position? Take away his socialist-entitlement sinecure of a job.

71 posted on 02/10/2013 8:45:58 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Hulka
Yep! School cliques in many ways resemble prison protection gangs.

In many ways, the social pathology seen in schools resembles the prison social pathology. And....I strongly suspect that teachers and principals use bullying to control cowering students in the same way that prison guards allow and use prison gang bullies.

As for the latest government push on stopping bullying, don't believe it for a minute! It is merely an Orwellian version of bullying. This time it is cruelly dressed in manipulative “doublespeak”. The Orwellian anti-bullying is merely permission for politically correct gangs to terrorize. These government protected gangs carry the official Marxist government imprimatur for official thought-crime bullying. Homosexuals love this. The kids’ minds are scrambled by the government and then served up to the homosexual predators that populate the schools. Hm! Yum! /s

72 posted on 02/10/2013 8:55:59 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

According to the government, only gays are bullied.


73 posted on 02/10/2013 8:58:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Yet!

Conservatives will flood the e-mail and phone lines of the Boy Scouts, show up by the millions to buy a chicken sandwich, but SEND THEIR **KIDS*** INTO THE VERY SCHOOLS CONTROLLED BY MARXIST HOMOSEXUALS!!!!

Yet!

Conservatives continue to send their children to these prison-like and godless socialist-entitlement schools. In many counties, and even entire states, if conservatives removed their children. the government's socialist-entitlement and godless schools would **immediately** collapse.

Yet!

Conservatives fail to see the **urgent** danger that our nation's socialist-entitlement and godless schools pose to our nation's very FREEDOM! Children who attend prison-like, Marxist-dominated, and godless schools risk growing up to be voters that are comfortable with godlessness, Marxism, and comfortable prisoners of the state!!!!

Yet!

Conservatives continue to live in the La La land of “Reform”. When in the history of mankind was it ever possible to “reform” a socialist-entitlement, godless, prison-like, compulsory, single-payer, union-controlled, and price-fixe government MONOPOLY???? HuH? And.. Government schooling is all of this!

Yes, I am shouting. I am exasperated!

74 posted on 02/10/2013 9:11:55 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

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75 posted on 02/10/2013 10:03:50 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

76 posted on 02/10/2013 10:04:54 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wintertime

When I was about nine years old, there was a girl in my class who came from a rough family - she was pretty much the only kid who came to school each day hungry and scruffy, with just a bag of chips for lunch. I was a teeny-tiny kid so she decided to pick on me. One day, I had had enough and I told her we were both too old to act like two-year-olds. She took exception to that and waited for me when I walked home from school.

Did I happen to mention that I was taking ballet lessons four times a week and rehearsing on the weekends? My legs were STRONG. I got in a couple good kicks and she decided that it was not in her best interest to fight me. Of course, we were wearing our school uniforms during the rumble and we got observed by a friendly neighbor, and so were called down to the principal’s office. But by that time - two days later - we had become friends.

Here’s the funny thing - when she started hanging around with me and my friends she stopped bullying the other kids entirely. She had a crew to run with; I guess that’s what she wanted all along.

So was the lesson that I learned that you get in there and get your licks in? Or that you make a friend of the bully? Or that you do both if you can? I don’t know - that’s just my little bullying story. YMMV.


77 posted on 02/10/2013 2:06:39 PM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Hulka
Solution? Who knows, each situation is different so your simple “just kick the poo out of them” as the definitive course of action is hardly helpful.

It certainly worked for me. And I must say, you seem to have a certain animus against those who choose to stand up.

Nice you were such a strong fighter that your wild attack on your bully ended so neatly. Made-for-TV movie moment, for sure.

Why all these snide remarks and anger for those who defend themselves and not the instigators who are assaulting them?

78 posted on 02/10/2013 2:30:07 PM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: wintertime

Until this thread, I had never considered the homosexual angle. Hm? VERY insightful! Double abuse!


Git it right. : ) The queers put themselves in the VOID stupid Christians left, in the bullying phase of cultural cleansing. This always happens.


79 posted on 02/10/2013 7:08:37 PM PST by SaraJohnson (w)
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Git it right. : ) The queers put themselves in the VOID stupid Christians left, in the bullying phase of cultural cleansing. This always happens.
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Indeed! It is impossible to have a spiritual vacuum. Religious neutrality in any sentient human is impossible. All must choose between either a godless or God-centered worldview. One is filled with light and understanding. The other with cruelity and perversion.

God will NOT save this nation, fear. Why? Two Reasons:

—Abortion
Christians by the millions can show up to buy a chicken sandwich but can't figure out how to legally and peacefully put an end to abortion. Really?

—Godless and socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling
The Boy Scouts are flooded with phone and e-mail messages objecting to homosexuals in the Scouts, but those **SAME** parents then willing send their children into GODLESS schools in which there are **daily** reports of homosexual and heterosexual predation on children. And....Where the Barna Foundation reports that fewer than 15% of children from **active** Christian homes will retain their faith 2 years after graduating from high school.

I doubt God is happy that we murder children in the womb.

I doubt God is happy that, if these children survive the womb, they are then sent into GODLESS K-12 indoctrination centers where they are taught perversion, have a seriously **very** high risk having their souls murdered, and are preyed upon by wicked teachers and fellow students.

May God quickly bring this nation to repentance.

80 posted on 02/11/2013 5:38:41 AM PST by wintertime
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“And I must say, you seem to have a certain animus against those who choose to stand up.”

That is quite a leap.

“Why all these snide remarks and anger for those who defend themselves and not the instigators who are assaulting them?”

Another great leap.

It is clear you are missing the point.

Have a nice day.

Bye-bye.


81 posted on 02/11/2013 7:11:40 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka
Nice you were such a strong fighter that your wild attack on your bully ended so neatly. Made-for-TV movie moment, for sure.

“Why all these snide remarks and anger for those who defend themselves and not the instigators who are assaulting them?”

It is clear you are missing the point.

Actually, I was making a point. What's unclear is your anger at a complete stranger who said he had overcome his issues with a bully.

It's one thing to choose not to face your own demons, it's another to demonize those who have.

82 posted on 02/11/2013 7:32:48 AM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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