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First my guns, now my CATS? Smithsonian experts agree, cats are Thrill-Killers!
spiegel online, by marco evers, plus other sources | san rafael blue

Posted on 02/10/2013 1:42:55 PM PST by San Rafael Blue

Look around on the Net. In the last few weeks, a new fad has come to fore; the belief that CATS ARE BAD for natures balance. All of a sudden there are articles written that say that according to specialists, Cats are not simply the furry pets we've come to cuddle or avoid, depending on the person. Cats, especially domesticated cats, present an ever creeping danger to the safety of birds.

A New Zealand report asks the question; Where have they gone? Where are the species formerly common to this region? Almost gone, are the Kaka, the Wika, Kokako,and the Kiwi, says Gareth Morgan, a businessman and phianthropist. Mr. Morgan refers back to recent American reports from the Smithsonian Conservatory.

The Smithsonian has given a concluding assessment of damages now wrought by the undisciplined feline. Smithsonian representative Mr. Scott Loss speculates; There are approx. 84 million house licensed cats plus over 30 million stray cats to consider. These kill from 1.4 Billion to as much as 3.7 Billion U.S. birds A YEAR!

My first response is five-fold; a. All creatures eventually do go extinct, even ours will someday. b. Even if this estimate is true, does that mean the cats perform a service of sorts, keeping the bird population from exploding. A huge bird population would put much pollution in our natural waters, I would think. A huge bird count also takes away from bugs and worms that our fish buddies could be snacking on. c. Who is REALLY behind this new fashionable snub of the cat? I think it's some org like PETA, who does not think we humans should have any kind of pet any kind of way from the start. d. More unwanted 'Bloom-berging' or snooping into or lives, ready to create yet another government agency with a case of Chronic Giantism. e. Stay out of my life with your government strife!!


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: kittyping; wildlife
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1 posted on 02/10/2013 1:43:02 PM PST by San Rafael Blue
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To: San Rafael Blue

2 posted on 02/10/2013 1:45:20 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: San Rafael Blue

Over my cold odorless litterbox.


3 posted on 02/10/2013 1:45:23 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: San Rafael Blue

Ferel cats are very bad.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 1:48:20 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: San Rafael Blue

Those numbers are just wildly off. Hundreds of millions of mice and a good number of chipmunks, I could believe.

But even wildly successful outdoors kitties catch birdies less often, and most of our outdoors cats today are lazy, overfed, not in their prime years, house cats at heart anyway.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 1:48:46 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: San Rafael Blue


6 posted on 02/10/2013 1:48:59 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Perhaps we should paint cat faces on wind turbines to make them really scary


7 posted on 02/10/2013 1:50:38 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: San Rafael Blue

I agree. Feral cats, protected by animal-loving kooks, slaughter tens of millions of song birds every year.

They should be trapped, and eliminated.

Ed


8 posted on 02/10/2013 2:00:49 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Chode

"...third branch on the left, got it?"

"got it"

"...wind at 5mph"

"got it"

"send it"

9 posted on 02/10/2013 2:01:07 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: San Rafael Blue

uh-oh.
I’m presently feeding a feral kitcat.
I did notice the mouse population dwindling.
I haven’t noticed less birds.
Seriously, how many birds can a cat eat per day?


10 posted on 02/10/2013 2:02:24 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: San Rafael Blue

Mrs. BCC and I are signing our cats up for political correctness classed, post haste!


11 posted on 02/10/2013 2:12:13 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

classed=classes DOH!


12 posted on 02/10/2013 2:13:16 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: San Rafael Blue; Slings and Arrows

... possible consideration for your cold blooded, homicidal, psychotic, blood thirsty kitteh ping. LOL!


13 posted on 02/10/2013 2:14:06 PM PST by momtothree
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I had a male Maine Coon who would bring grouse inside, cripple one of their legs and then keep it around to play with, until, of course, we put it out of it’s misery and out of the house.

40 years ago, my inside only apartment cat somehow found a dormouse. It ruled the roost until we got rid of it. It would get up on its hind legs and chitter at the cat, who just sat there, watching it.

Don’t tell the PETAs, but most Northern Spitz dogs will devour entire mouse & bunny nests every Spring. Still, there is no shortage.

I have one cat, one Akita and we occasionally get feral cats on the farm. I have all sorts of song birds, from oriels to bluebirds to thrush and finch. They thrive on wild thistle and invade the wild junipers for the berries.

Rabbits do more plant damage than cats in the flower bed, as far as that complaint goes. I have noticed that the same folks who rant about cats think coyotes have a right to life, yet coyotes will decimate bird nests, as will fox.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 2:14:13 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Slings and Arrows

ping!


15 posted on 02/10/2013 2:31:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Gun control is hitting what you aim at. -- Chuck Norris)
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To: San Rafael Blue
Cats

It aint home without one...


16 posted on 02/10/2013 2:32:15 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: San Rafael Blue

The references read like a who’s who list of the top zealots. They are anti-cat, wildlife advocates. And the Smithsonian is the one that hired Nico Dauphine to run her kitty cam project - she’s the one that was found guilty of poisoning food left out for feral cats at her apartment complex (cats in a managed TNR program).

They’ve just found a new way to inflate the numbers of birds and mammals cats kill.

This is Peter Marra’s research history: http://www.voxfelina.com/2011/03/catbirds-cats-and-scapegoats/

I prefer the UK wildlife conservation organisations. They actually read the science, and understand the problem of extrapolating cat predation studies from one area to state- or nationwide estimates:

What none of the predation studies takes into account (cat scat predation studies, stomach content predation studies, etc.) is whether the cats hunted the animal it ate, or whether the animal was dead - or sick or dying.

There are studies of cat predation in birds that clearly indicate cats more often than not hunt sick birds.

The astronomical figures of these reserachers alone raise questions of credibility. If the breeding population of North American landbirds is 4.9 billion, then the 1.4–3.7 billion mortalities reported by Loss et al. (which the authors argue throughout their paper is a conservative estimate) represent an astonishing 28.5–75.5 percent of the total population. That’s on top of the 21 percent Arnold and Zink attribute to collisions with towers and windows.

While some species are, unquestionably, on the verge of extinction, the entire population of North American landbirds most certainly is not


17 posted on 02/10/2013 2:35:03 PM PST by erlayman
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To: San Rafael Blue

My two torbies completely ignored a junco nest that was built at ground level in some juniper bushes out back. I question the birds’ judgement in building there, but there was no carnage.

Maybe my two girls are just lazy.


18 posted on 02/10/2013 2:35:08 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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Freepers, your Contributions make every difference!
Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

19 posted on 02/10/2013 2:35:52 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: 9YearLurker

You have a very good point 9Yearlkr. Most of our fuzzy beasts know when they’ve got it made. Why shop in the gutter when you get food brought to you daily on a silver (or stainless steel) florentine platter?


20 posted on 02/10/2013 2:42:10 PM PST by San Rafael Blue
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Mr. Mercat, famous for being a zoologist, says that cats serve the necessary roll of predator. Without predators, the prey population becomes weak and destroys the environment. So we feed the birds because it entertains us but we have an out door cat because they are welfare birds and nasty dirty things.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 2:43:04 PM PST by Mercat (Never laugh at live dragons)
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To: San Rafael Blue
If you ever have a gopher problem get a cat. Forget about traps and poison, they don't work. I'm convinced that those little rodent merely laugh at them.

I use to live on top of a hill that was infested with the varmints. We got a cat and soon he was chasing down the gophers. He killed all of our gophers and then cleared out the neighbor's yards.

22 posted on 02/10/2013 2:48:33 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Cats don’t necessarily eat their kills, they just enjoy watching them die.They play with their food often.

This article is no great revelation. Notice a few cats around and soon the rabbits grow less.


23 posted on 02/10/2013 2:48:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

De Nile is not jes’ a river in Egypt.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/outdoor-cats-are-prolific-killers-study-finds


24 posted on 02/10/2013 2:57:52 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Doogle
nice shootin Tex...
25 posted on 02/10/2013 3:09:07 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: San Rafael Blue
I seem to recal being taught (a long time ago) that predators usually removed prey animals that were old, weak or injured. This supposedly strengthened the gene pool of the survivors.
There are other factors that can account for the reduction in numbers of different species. Dwindling food supply, habitat destruction and disease to name a few. I have two feral cats on my property. I also have over a dozen bird feeders. I haven't noticed any decline in the number of birds coming around for a free meal. If I didn't provide this supplemental food supply I have no doubt that I would see fewer birds. They would just migrate to wherever the food was more plentiful.
26 posted on 02/10/2013 3:11:34 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: San Rafael Blue

Cats,Coyotees,Racoons.......


27 posted on 02/10/2013 3:18:46 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: erlayman

As hunters go, cats are superb, among nature’s best, but cats are opportunistic hunters and kill for food, and just for sport and play. They hunt and kill whether they are well fed or not, and whether for food or not. It’s just what cats do.


28 posted on 02/10/2013 3:35:19 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: San Rafael Blue

My kitty does a great job keeping the mice and gophers down. And last summer she even brought me a rabbit for stewing :)


29 posted on 02/10/2013 3:41:41 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: San Rafael Blue
Cats, especially domesticated cats, present an ever creeping danger to the safety of birds


30 posted on 02/10/2013 3:43:52 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: San Rafael Blue

31 posted on 02/10/2013 3:56:30 PM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: San Rafael Blue
There are approx. 84 million house licensed cats

I don't know of any community in this country that requires its residents to license their cats.........

32 posted on 02/10/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Those mean, vicious kittehs....we need a kinder, gentler pet. One that will respect the needs of the birds and be more sensitive. /s


33 posted on 02/10/2013 4:00:00 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: San Rafael Blue
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34 posted on 02/10/2013 4:00:55 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I don’t care who you are, that is funny! Don’t tell Andrew Cuomo, he may start hollerin’ on stage again, with his fists all balled up.


35 posted on 02/10/2013 4:02:22 PM PST by San Rafael Blue
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36 posted on 02/10/2013 4:04:20 PM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The 86 million number is from the Humane Society of the US. Don’t know where ‘licensed’ came from but the story seems to be from New Zealand where sheeple might assume everybody lives under totalitarianism.


37 posted on 02/10/2013 4:04:31 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: 9YearLurker
But even wildly successful outdoors kitties catch birdies less often,

I used to think that before I witnessed my indoor cat leap off the back deck and snatch a goldfinch that had landed on one of the coneflowers behind the deck........

FWIW, she hunts off the deck and has repeatedly caught mice and baby rabbits in the garden area on the back of it........

It's very disconcerting when I'm in the den and suddenly hear a squealing from the dining area of a creature my cat has just brought into the house...........(open pet entrance attached to my back deck doorwall.....)

38 posted on 02/10/2013 4:06:04 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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39 posted on 02/10/2013 4:07:09 PM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: redheadtoo
If you ever have a gopher problem get a cat.

If you're refering to a real gopher that lives in a hole in the ground and not a chipmunk, they're easy to get rid of.

Take a hose or a bucket of water and pour it into their hole and flush them out. Then do what you want with them.........

40 posted on 02/10/2013 4:10:51 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

My cats don’t eat birds, when the cats are out the birds fly away.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 4:15:46 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: San Rafael Blue
Cats are useful for many things...other than as hunters:


42 posted on 02/10/2013 4:18:13 PM PST by Cuttnhorse (God made man but Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: Hot Tabasco

But how many days a week does she land a bird?


43 posted on 02/10/2013 4:23:16 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: San Rafael Blue

Well have they considered this: there is no “cat flu” but there is “bird flu”?


44 posted on 02/10/2013 4:23:37 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: rfp1234
The final solution:


45 posted on 02/10/2013 4:30:14 PM PST by Cuttnhorse (God made man but Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: Chode

When a human rescues a dog and brings it home and feeds it, the dog thinks, “this human must be god” When a cat is rescued and fed, the cat thinks, “this human is feeding me, I must be god”.


46 posted on 02/10/2013 4:35:03 PM PST by Cuttnhorse (God made man but Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: 9YearLurker
But how many days a week does she land a bird?

That wasn't my point. I was always under the impression that cats can't really catch healthy birds but my cat proved me wrong.

Are cats destroying the bird population? I don't think so and have yet to read any informative info that proves they are...........

47 posted on 02/10/2013 4:48:51 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“Those mean, vicious kittehs....we need a kinder, gentler pet. One that will respect the needs of the birds and be more sensitive. /s”

And are purrfectly willing to go vegan...


48 posted on 02/10/2013 4:50:15 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: San Rafael Blue

Hmmm - what happened the last time we tried to eliminate cats?

Europe - Middle Ages - Bubonic Plague - any of that ring a bell?


49 posted on 02/10/2013 4:50:33 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Cuttnhorse
LOL, ain't that the truth...
50 posted on 02/10/2013 4:55:36 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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