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Sen. Rand Paul will deliver the real message, as RINO Rubio delivers the GOP-e boilerplate message
2/11/2013 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 02/11/2013 11:29:28 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

Yep, Sen. Rand Paul - some Libertarian leanings and all - (and not all bad, either, especially with his middle of the road approach on foreign policy, him being neither interventionist nor isolationist) is certainly not a shill for the GOP-e... and we have had enough of that.

Rand Paul will deliver the Tea Party, while Rubio gives us Dem lite.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: 113th; 2012; bhosotu; democrats; elections; gopresponse; marcorubio; obama; randpaul; rinofreeamerica; rinorubio; rubio; teaparty

1 posted on 02/11/2013 11:29:37 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Rubio will also be addressing la raza - in their native tongue.


2 posted on 02/11/2013 11:31:25 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?

BTW, meant to add in there the word “message” after Tea Party.

Are you for Rand Paul or Rubio?

Take your pick.

I wonder which one Rove, Krauthammer, O’Reilly, Vannity, Coulter and others support - of these two that is.


3 posted on 02/11/2013 11:31:53 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The role of Republicans over the last 70-80 years has been being the bean-counters and accountants for Progressives’ big Gov’t plans.

You want Medicaid? You want a war on poverty? You want Obamacare? Well, OK - we don’t like it, but we’ll get used to it, and let’s take it slow and figure out how to help you pay for it all!!

Many Republicans, like Bush, even want in on the act - Medicare drug benefits, TSA, TARP - how much will those little bits of RINO Progressivism contribute to the country’s future bankruptcy?

Personally, I am tired of it all. I am ALL FOR someone who wants to truly start to tear it down.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 11:35:41 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Rand Paul definitely. Rubio has shown himself to be nothing more than a power-hungry lapdog and, I might add, is not eligible to be president.
5 posted on 02/11/2013 11:36:28 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Listen to me.

In order to stay alive as a party, we need to become the Latino Party. Not the party of amnesty, but the party of LEGAL Latinos. The ones who are here LEGALLY.

If we can do that, we can stay strong on every issue that is important to us. We just need to be more sensitive toward the LEGAL Latino population.

Rubio is the man for the job.


6 posted on 02/11/2013 11:37:54 AM PST by Bryan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We shall see. I expect Rand and Rubio to both vote for amnesty.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 11:37:54 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I don’t consider Rand Paul as representing the TP. His libertarian leanings not withstanding, he also has too many leanings toward “mushy conmpassionism” to represent the TP.

Methinks he fashions himself a modern-day “Hawkeye Pierce” given his medical service in the military; and we all know what category Pierce / Alan Alda fits into.


8 posted on 02/11/2013 11:40:04 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Bryan

Rubio is not the man for the job.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 11:41:52 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Rand hasn’t served in the military to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps your confusing parts of his past with his father.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 11:44:18 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I like both. People here now want to tear Rubio down when he was the biggest Tea Party win in the nation just two years ago. His candidacy was DeMint and the conservatives vs the Senate ‘doing business as usual crowd’ who funded Charlie Crist in the primary.

Now, he’s suddenly terrible even though he’s been a good vote for us on nearly every issue the past two years. I have first hand knowledge of his staff in DC standing up for the right things during lobbying meetings. He’s the real deal, and he’s a tremendous voice for conservatism.

Rand Paul may be the closest person to me ideologically that I have ever seen in the Senate. He is courageous and standing for the right things most of the time.

I like both, and look forward to hearing both. If Rubio morphs into a DC politician, he will not be the nominee. There will be good conservative governors running in 2016 that will easily beat a first term Senator if he does not keep his independence from the Boehner-McConnell crowd. His position on immigration is not unreasonable if he does not cowtow to the leftist agenda and give in to a bad deal for the sake of ‘getting things done.’ I’ve said before, that issue will make or break him in presidential politics.


11 posted on 02/11/2013 11:45:52 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: PGR88

It is time for a second choice, for Republicans. The Libertarians have emerged as a far more aggressive version of resistance, and do have the ability to kick in doors, fight the party apparatus and the Establishment suits making the Rules. They helped bring 2010.

It seems conceivable that together, the Tea Party and the Rand Paul wing of Libertarians could be a force, for taking back the Republican Party, from the brink of democrat lite.


12 posted on 02/11/2013 11:48:51 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: GeronL

To speak to Latinos, and convince them to vote for Republicans? To transform the Latino vote into part of the Republican Party? That’s the job I’m talking about.

Who do you suggest? Ted Cruz? I’m really impressed with him but he’s only been a senator for about five minutes.


13 posted on 02/11/2013 11:49:24 AM PST by Bryan
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To: raybbr

Rand has been good so far, but I am still suspicious that he is a lot more like his father than he lets on (and I consider his father to be a wackadoodle). I am certain willing to give Rand the benefit of the doubt because of how good he is on domestic policy.

One thing though, if Rand Paul wants to run for President he seriously needs to do something about that mop on his head. Every time I see him on TV his hairpiece looks different. Sometimes it looks like a squirrel crawled up there and died.


14 posted on 02/11/2013 11:51:15 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Bryan

He is wrong on immigration. His plan will be amnesty even if they don’t call it that.


15 posted on 02/11/2013 11:51:30 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ilgipper

Excellent post. There are way too many people here who want to tear down Rubio when he was the Tea Party candidate against the RINO Establishment’s Charlie Crist just two years ago. How quickly they forget.

I think the problem is that that RINO Establishment finally wised up and endorsed Rubio. To a certain strain of Freeper, that’s the kiss of political death.

I suppose if the RINO Establishment endorsed motherhood, apple pie and baseball, certain Freepers would start hating those things too.


16 posted on 02/11/2013 11:53:09 AM PST by Bryan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The two politicians mentioned in the title are both excellent men, IMHO.

It does our cause harm to attach an insulting title to any good GOP leader. It is a divisive tactic, and mirrors the behavior of Liberals and what they do to Republicans everyday. This is the stuff that leads to defeat of GOP candidates.

GOP - Grow up! I am sick of seeing people on this forum being petty and divisive. If you do not like what Rubio or Paul say at any given time, then argue your point with reason. Please DO NOT continue to put phony names which are only meant to demoralize our leaders.

Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks for allowing me to rant.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 11:55:57 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: ilgipper; Laissez-faire capitalist
I think you are wise to see the strengths of each man. We certainly need both in the desperate fight to preserve American principles & interests.

That said, I certainly deplore Senator Rubio's stand on amnesty--his letting his family ethnic identification interfere with his support for traditional American culture & heritage; his support for the America that allowed his family to come here and thrive. In this attitude, I have suggested how to handle Rubio's apparent defection on this issue: See Whither American Conservatism?

We should not run off those who are with us on most issues; yet neither should we cave on the basic need to preserve American culture & heritage.

William Flax

18 posted on 02/11/2013 11:56:32 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Bryan
I suppose if the RINO Establishment endorsed motherhood, apple pie and baseball, certain Freepers would start hating those things too.

Only if they endorsed the "designated hitter" rule.

19 posted on 02/11/2013 11:57:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: GeronL
He is wrong on immigration. His plan will be amnesty even if they don’t call it that.

I respectfully disagree. Rubio is a conservative, and I'd suggest that you come up with some reliable sources that will support your claim.

20 posted on 02/11/2013 12:00:59 PM PST by Bryan
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To: GeronL

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323442804578235844003050604.html


21 posted on 02/11/2013 12:06:16 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Longbow1969
Your apparent need to gratuitously insult Ron Paul, suggests that you have not read very extensively among the writings of the Founding Fathers. Ron Paul, of all those in Congress over the last two decades, has been the most consistent advocate of traditional American values.

He is also the most knowledgeable on modern Conservative economic theory (Von Mises, etc.). Do you have any idea how destructive the monetary policies, over the past decade, have been? Do you believe that all those in Congress who signed on to his bill to audit the Fed were "wackadoodles?"

William Flax

22 posted on 02/11/2013 12:07:30 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Bryan

Bryan, listen to me. You could not be more wrong with a capital R. Though they may all look alike to you, they don’t to each other. No Cuban has a chance of getting votes from Mexicans or Colombians or Argentians in this country. Your lack of knowledge on this very basic premise is emblematic of the way in which Republicans choose to remain ignorant about a subject they should know up and down. And sideways. Do some research. Figure it out.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 12:15:50 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Bryan

Bryan, listen to me. You could not be more wrong with a capital R. Though they may all look alike to you, they don’t to each other. No Cuban has a chance of getting votes from Mexicans or Colombians or Argentians in this country. Your lack of knowledge on this very basic premise is emblematic of the way in which Republicans choose to remain ignorant about a subject they should know up and down. And sideways. Do some research. Figure it out.


24 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:24 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Bryan

Bryan, listen to me. You could not be more wrong with a capital R. Though they may all look alike to you, they don’t to each other. No Cuban has a chance of getting votes from Mexicans or Colombians or Argentians in this country. Your lack of knowledge on this very basic premise is emblematic of the way in which Republicans choose to remain ignorant about a subject they should know up and down. And sideways. Do some research. Figure it out.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:32 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Bryan

Bryan, listen to me. You could not be more wrong with a capital R. Though they may all look alike to you, they don’t to each other. No Cuban has a chance of getting votes from Mexicans or Colombians or Argentians in this country. Your lack of knowledge on this very basic premise is emblematic of the way in which Republicans choose to remain ignorant about a subject they should know up and down. And sideways. Do some research. Figure it out.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:32 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Bryan

Bryan, listen to me. You could not be more wrong with a capital R. Though they may all look alike to you, they don’t to each other. No Cuban has a chance of getting votes from Mexicans or Colombians or Argentians in this country. Your lack of knowledge on this very basic premise is emblematic of the way in which Republicans choose to remain ignorant about a subject they should know up and down. And sideways. Do some research. Figure it out.


27 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:44 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Bryan

Bryan, listen to me. You could not be more wrong with a capital R. Though they may all look alike to you, they don’t to each other. No Cuban has a chance of getting votes from Mexicans or Colombians or Argentians in this country. Your lack of knowledge on this very basic premise is emblematic of the way in which Republicans choose to remain ignorant about a subject they should know up and down. And sideways. Do some research. Figure it out.


28 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:48 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Ohioan
Your apparent need to gratuitously insult Ron Paul

Gratuitously insult Ron Paul? Ron Paul deserves EVERY insult and then some. This is the Ron Paul that just trashed Chris Kyle, an American hero, in a despicable twitter post. This is the same Ron Paul who said Bradley Manning, the traitor with gender issues, was a hero and patriot. The list of wacky things Ron Paul has said is extremely long, and the loony followers that seem to collect around the cult of Ron Paul are even worse. Ron Paul is loopy libertarian nutcase. There is a reason his son is trying to put distance between himself and his father.

29 posted on 02/11/2013 12:26:21 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’m pleased that Rubio is doing the response. He is very well-spoken and can state things clearly. That is a lost-art on our side. Which in today’s world, whether we like it or not, is a big part of winning.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 12:30:24 PM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Theoria

Yes..I am confusing Rand with Ru.

Thanks for correction.


31 posted on 02/11/2013 12:32:29 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: kabumpo

Valid points. South Florida Latins are a mixed bunch. The GOP may have lost the Cuban vote forever. But the GOP is to blame...not Latins.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 12:36:50 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: kabumpo

Let’s see ... who got a higher percentage of the non-Cuban Latino vote in Florida three months ago?

Rubio, or Romney?

Hint: it wasn’t Romney.


33 posted on 02/11/2013 12:42:31 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

Rubio’s seems to forget his folks came crossing a regulated border protecting the soverignty of the United states and still is. They came across to become citizens of the United States but do those illegally crossing through the Mexican border have the same intent ? Poll after poll suggest not.

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ? What makes it necessary for US to subjugate our sovereignty because of available cheap labor ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .

Reagan tried that on the promise that border would have integrity it never happened. It didn’t work remember ?

All....Does anybody remember what the Democrats did at their convention ??? First they eliminated any mention of the word GOD...and when they thought twice about doing that they reintroduced the resolution what happened ? They booed God....That resolution was rammed through just like the Affordable Health Care Act ...
Was that fact used in any of the material Rove’s RINOS spewed forth during the 2012 Romney or US senate races his group of GOPES (Government Ofthe People Elite Snobs) used on their hit list ? I like using that abbreviation because it rhymes with dopes.

Noooo ! They could have used that episode to point out how far to the left the democrat party has hyphenated into; Demo-Coms ...Instead well we don’t like Aikin at least he believes in something like the ten commandments. Including Thou shalt not steal and doesn’t believe that getting elected office doesn’t give you a license to do that. Which his opponent seems to have done rather well since being in office. The same thing with Mourdock.

These people I call them GOPES because it rhymes with dopes right now are falling into the same trap. Limbaugh and Levin, God bless them ...realize that what Limbaugh calls the LIV’s (low intelligence voters) actually believe that Obama is offering the proverbial “olive branch” to Republicans when actually he is proceeding on his path to complete socialism. AND THEY CAN’T CALL HIM A LIAR .

This administration came up with a policy on energy which had driven up the cost on everything. It was on the tongue of every black, white. yellow,and brown skined person living in the US....IT WENT UNTOUCHED in the 2012 campaign....WORSE YET IT IS STILL GOING UNCHALLANGED

Now the GOPES are buying into the “demographic” argument offered by the MSM. Here you have an issue staring at them straight in the face affecting every man,woman,and child of every skin color and you can’t bring it up and they talk about “demographics” being pushed by the socialist media .

They should be decrying the philosphy of “demographics” by stating they’re Americans first not Afro-Americans. not Hispanic-Americans and not-Asian-Americans, or “White”-Americans. The counter charge should be these are socialist tactics neing pushed by the hypenated Demo-coms. Democrats in socialist/fascist clothing. Let alone not mention the booing of God’s name during their convention then belittle those Republicans who express a religious conviction even to the point of suggesting that those that do shouldn’t run for political office.


34 posted on 02/11/2013 12:50:49 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; raybbr

I am of hispanic ancestry, and I do speak Spanish as a second language, as do many folks of all ethnicities in south Texas. There isn’t a liberal in my family that I know of-we wholeheartedly disapprove of illegals-and no, I don’t care if that is not PC...

I don’t have a problem with Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or anyone else using Spanish or any other language in a speech, as long as they do it in English, too. George W. Bush spoke quite passable Spanish-the current occupant of the WH can’t even speak a second language at all...

I think both men are admirable supporters of smaller government that does not dispense health care, is not involved in the lives of private citizens, is not trying to take my guns from the cabinet, or in the doings of private businesses-I just pray they stay in charge of their own cojones over the long haul, and are not tempted by lobbyists or special interest groups with lots of money-we need to keep reminding them that we all vote, whatever our ethnic background is...


35 posted on 02/11/2013 12:52:29 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5
I don’t have a problem with Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or anyone else using Spanish or any other language in a speech, as long as they do it in English, too. George W. Bush spoke quite passable Spanish-the current occupant of the WH can’t even speak a second language at all...

I don't care how many languages he speaks - or doesn't. Speaking in spanish is an insult to all the Germans, Irish, Polish, Chinese, etc who came here and would like to hear the speech in their language. What makes spanish so special?

36 posted on 02/11/2013 1:19:44 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr; Laissez-faire capitalist; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; sickoflibs
>> Rubio will also be addressing la raza - in their native tongue. <<

Good thing we have Rand Paul to refute it... oh wait... Rand Paul wants to carve a compromise immigration plan with an “eventual path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants

37 posted on 02/11/2013 1:53:14 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Gumdrop
GOP - Grow up! I am sick of seeing people on this forum being petty and divisive

That will get us hillary in 2016 for sure.

38 posted on 02/11/2013 1:59:51 PM PST by jersey117
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To: raybbr

Not a thing, except that Spanish and French are pretty much the only second languages spoken among a large group of native born Americans several generations away from their ancestral country anymore, but French and Spanish were more widely used than English until a few centuries ago.

My husband’s family was three generations removed from Quebec, and spoke Canadian French as a second language, along with a lot of other people in states that share a border with Canada. Damn near everyone of any French ancestry in Lousiana speaks Acadian (cajun) French just like we speak Spanish in the Mexican border states, even though they are hundreds of miles and about 300 years from Canada.

Of course English is the language of America, but many of us learned either at home or at school to speak a second one. In the far past, it was considered a mark of good breeding and education, and furthered one’s career and social ambitions. Call it a snob value that has persisted, but I think any world leader should at least be somewhat conversant in a second language-although I understand that Mandarin Chinese is a bad choice because of the many nuances.

If a bunch of people want a speech read in Chinese, German or Polish, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be, There might be some problems with the Irish, though-not many people speak Gaelic.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 2:13:44 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Theoria
We shall see. I expect Rand and Rubio to both vote for amnesty.

Interesting point. I much prefer Rand to Rubio, but I shall watch. Rand is saying a lot of good things, but, you're right, the amnesty vote will be telling.

40 posted on 02/11/2013 5:19:47 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: BillyBoy; raybbr; Laissez-faire capitalist; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :>> Rubio will also be addressing la raza - in their native tongue. <<
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Good thing we have Rand Paul to refute it... oh wait... Rand Paul wants to carve a compromise immigration plan with an “eventual path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants “

They all think ‘path to citizenship’ is their ‘path to WH’.

‘Voto Latino Obamo’

41 posted on 02/11/2013 7:27:34 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Bryan

“Let’s see ... who got a higher percentage of the non-Cuban Latino vote in Florida three months ago? Rubio, or Romney?”

While I’m in agreement with you regarding Rubio (he’s a candidate for 2016 whom we should consider strongly), I don’t think your comparison above holds water. You have to look at the opponents of both Romney and Rubio to assess which was the greater accomplishment. And it’s still entirely possible, if not very likely, that Rubio would lose the Hispanic vote if he faced any Democrat in a general presidential election. Though Rubio would do better than Romney did in the last election, conservatives will never offer enough “gifts” to the Latino population to win over their majority.


42 posted on 02/12/2013 9:48:31 AM PST by BlueStateRightist (Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: BlueStateRightist
And it’s still entirely possible, if not very likely, that Rubio would lose the Hispanic vote if he faced any Democrat in a general presidential election.

Lose the Latino vote by the most slender margin of any Republican nominee in this century? That would be awesome. I would be perfectly fine with that. Bush got 40% of the Latino vote in 2004, and even less in 2000. And both times, he won the election.

I would be more than happy to see Rubio lose the Latino vote, as long as he loses it by a slim margin. That would still be an enormous step in the right direction, because Romney only got 27% of the Latino vote. Democratic Party operatives have built an enormous wall between the GOP and the Latino voter. We'll have to take it down one brick at a time.

43 posted on 02/12/2013 1:28:43 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Bryan

It was indeed Romney, because Rubio was not on the ballot last year, he was elected in 2010. ;)


44 posted on 02/12/2013 10:38:58 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj

There may be some overlap but the Paulites are not the tea party.

I’m not convinced that Rand is a worthless pig but daddy Paul is, I just heard him dissing drone warfare.

Mind you I am no neocon, I left that foolishness in my youth, but Paul Sr. and others of his ilk like Justin Amash are called “Paulistinians” for good reason. Their’s is not a middle road it’s the same road as far left peacenik democrats.

As a rule Paultards are...tarded. Is Rand an exception?


45 posted on 02/12/2013 10:45:55 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; Laissez-faire capitalist; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”Mind you I am no neocon, I left that foolishness in my youth, but Paul Sr. and others of his ilk like Justin Amash are called “Paulistinians” for good reason. Their’s is not a middle road it’s the same road as far left peacenik democrats.
As a rule Paultards are...tarded. Is Rand an exception?”

You may recall in 2009 after being totally pee..ed off by GWB I did the Peter Schiff Ping list and Peter was a libertarian economics guy.

The reason I never warmed to Ron Paul is a rule I have developed that you see me apply to many Republicans:

MY Rule :”I am not impressed by those who spend their careers woof-woofing without ever getting a significant bill passed, or even leading off stopping one by Dems”

As far as I can recall Ron Paul never accomplished anything in his career in the House, just lots of grand talk. "If only"

Rand is in the Senate minority lecturing the House Republicans on what to do while voting symbolic no’s for stuff that passes the Senate woof woof. How about he kill some Senate bills by offering alternatives and keeping Reids from reaching the House.

We have had endless career ‘talking’ candidates, some never even filed for running. It didnt work.

46 posted on 02/12/2013 11:09:52 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Impy; Laissez-faire capitalist; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”As a rule Paultards are...tarded.”

I get the impression that libertarianism appeals to white middle class kids who disagree with Dems on taxes and affirmative action and mommy state but disagree with Republicans on issues like abortion and gays, and they want to smoke dope which I notice some Dems are proposing.

On the neo-con war stuff the Bush experience turned me 180 degrees on that. In 2003 I was assuring people I knew that Bush and Cheney knew what they were doing and I was blind.

47 posted on 02/12/2013 11:20:57 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

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48 posted on 02/13/2013 6:46:11 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy
>> You may recall in 2009 after being totally pee..ed off by GWB I did the Peter Schiff Ping list and Peter was a libertarian economics guy. <<

I was for Schiff as well (and I know Impy was too), he's a good example of the rare 20-30% of Paulbot candidates that are actually pretty decent. Unfortunately while he was ideal on paper (especially for a state like Conn.) he was underwhelming on the campaign trail and went nowhere. Still, there was a huge void left in 2012 without a Schiff-style candidate. We were left with the RINO vs. RINOer choices of Linda McMahon and Chris Shays. Both sucked royally (and despite all the constant hype that McMahon had improved as a candidate and made the race competitive -- she lost to the RAT by the same margin she had lost in 2010 -- 12 points)

Another Senate candidate endorsed by the Paulites that I thought was a pretty decent libertarian conservative was Kurt Bills of Minnesota. I know another freeper was blaming Bills nomination on the RATs winning Minnesota easily and saying we would have been competitive had Bills not been the nominee. I can't imagine why. It's Minnesota we're talking about, any Republican would have had a huge uphill battle defeating a RAT incumbent, especially with the mainstream media on her side. I didn't learn about Bills until long after he got the nomination but he sounded like a pretty impressive guy. He has an M.A. in education, and a background as a H.S. teacher. He defeated an entrenched RAT incumbent to win his twin cities suburban-based state House seat, and prior to that he was elected to the Rosemount City Council from a field of 26 candidates. He was among the handful of state legislators who put their money where their mouth was and declined their pay during the July 2011 Minnesota government shutdown. Despite being a Paulite, he voted with the House Republican Majority to amend the state constitution to ban "gay" marriage. He's solidly pro-life and pro-gun, but focused on fiscal issues and the repeal on Obamacare. Overall I thought he was pretty solid candidate and it's a shame he didn't gain more traction.

>> There may be some overlap but the Paulites are not the tea party. <<

They certainly aren't, but the Paulites will take credit for it nevertheless. (They also campaigned on Ron Paul being "the man who stood by Reagan" and portrayed him as a Reagan Republican, despite the fact Paul had vocally denounced the Reagan era in 1988 and said at the time that he wanted to "totally disassociate myself from him") And they ridicule other candidates for flip-flopping on Romney after the primary. Paulites have no shame.

>> I’m not convinced that Rand is a worthless pig but daddy Paul is, I just heard him dissing drone warfare. Mind you I am no neocon, I left that foolishness in my youth, but Paul Sr. and others of his ilk like Justin Amash are called “Paulistinians” for good reason. Their’s is not a middle road it’s the same road as far left peacenik democrats. As a rule Paultards are...tarded. Is Rand an exception <<

I'm not convinced Rand is a "worthless pig" either, and he has done a number of good things too, but at the same time I'm not convinced Rand is a tea party icon and our conservative savior. He's too close to his daddy and his daddy's movement, and the bottom line is I don't trust him. His "tone" may be different than dear old dad but ideologically they're pretty close on the issues. I find it amusing that Rubio is getting racked over the coals here for selling out on immigration, but Rand Paul did the EXACT same thing (said he was "against amnesty" as a Senate candidate and has since "evolved" on the issue and now says he will work with the RATs to craft a "pathway to citizenship for illegals"), but there's little to no criticism of Paul for selling out on illegals, even on FR. Either freepers don't know or care that he stabbed conservatives in the back.

>> Rand is in the Senate minority lecturing the House Republicans on what to do while voting symbolic no’s for stuff that passes the Senate woof woof. How about he kill some Senate bills by offering alternatives and keeping Reids from reaching the House. <<

I will say this much for him: I just got done watching Rand Paul's response to Obama's SOTU address (watched a rerun of the video on CSPAN's website and they cut off the last 2 mins. of it). A liberal Democrat Obama supporter I know was quite impressed with Paul's speech and said it was the only one worth watching, and I have to agree. Regardless of what he's done or hasn't done in the Senate, he did an excellent job exposing Obama and articulating conservative beliefs. The same was true in 2011, of the three SOTU responses back then (Paul Ryan, Michele Bachmann, and Rand Paul), his was the best. I give the 2013 speech an A as well. The funny thing is Rand Paul said he was make "immigration reform" and reaching out to immigrants a big component of his speech along with budget issues, but in the actual version he delivered, I didn't hear him mention the immigration issue once. He talked in more broad terms about the budget, spending, taxes, education, the bill of rights (Especially the 2nd amendment) in ways that all conservatives could agree. I guess the highlight of Rubio's speech last night was him awkwardly reaching for a sip of water. That can't be good for our side. I wonder if he changed anything when he translated his speech into Spanish. (I'd bet money that the Spanish-version is "watered down" despite essentially being the same material as the English language version)

Rand Paul is very good at saying things conservatives want to hear, I just wouldn't trust him with any power until he know he won't embarrass us like daddy.

49 posted on 02/13/2013 7:29:17 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think Drudge has already picked his horse. No mention of Rand.


50 posted on 02/15/2013 6:35:43 AM PST by libdestroyer
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