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Is there a wrong answer to terminating a baby with Down syndrome?
LAN ^ | Cassy Fiano

Posted on 02/11/2013 8:54:30 PM PST by Morgana

An anonymous blogger shared her story last week about receiving a prenatal diagnosis of Down syndrome and choosing to then have an abortion because of the diagnosis. It’s not surprising – it happens nine out of ten times, after all – but it didn’t make her claims any less disturbing.

I was so late in pregnancy, there seemed not to be time to meet with a genetic counselor so I did my own research on Down syndrome. I concluded it was a grey diagnosis where best case was hard and worst case terrible. I could envision handling the early years, but not the long term. We have family friends with children who have cognitive disabilities, and those families and children have struggled. I have seen the parents “leave it all on the field” to try to position their kids for some form of independence and still fail. Once the kids aged out of school, there were no jobs, no meaningful roles, no chance of family and homes of their own for these young men. The parents have suffered. The kids have suffered too. I didn’t want that future for my son or for my family. We decided to terminate.

… In all, my experience was not only painful; it was educational. Regarding prenatal testing, i certainly learned the “what,” the “why,” and the “so what”. I wish I had had that knowledge before. I met many women who had terminated wanted pregnancies for medical reasons — due to all kinds of conditions, of which Down syndrome is the tip of the iceberg. Bigger picture, I learned that in life, things go wrong, and when it comes to kids, the stakes are through the roof. In fact, strangely, I think I became a better parent. It was revealed to my husband and me that our children are everything to us, and ensuring their welfare our primary purpose in life. We treasure every moment with them. We moved into a better school district. I never forget that what I do is all for them. And I never forget my son who had T21. I loved him just as much as the kids I have living here with me today.

When it comes to continuing or terminating a pregnancy with Down syndrome, I believe there is no right answer. This means there is also no wrong answer. I would never advocate for a family to choose one road or another. It is a personal choice with many complex factors and, ultimately, both choices should be supported more than they are today. Families raising children with DS deserve greater social and practical supports, particularly aimed at adults with DS and their roles in life as adults as well as their medical long-term care. On the flip side, termination of pregnancies should be de-politicized and de-stigmatized. Parents on both “sides of the fence” have more in common than they may think, since in every case we are talking about people loving their children and thinking only of their quality of life in the face of a very difficult diagnosis.

As the mother of a child diagnosed prenatally with Down syndrome, I found myself feeling physically ill on so many different levels from reading this article.

First, it’s profoundly disappointing that this woman would choose to end the life of her child based on her own perceptions of a few disabled people she knows. She states that the people she knows with cognitive disabilities have no chance at independence, no job, and – most insultingly – no meaningful roles.

I wonder if this blogger actually spoke to any of these people before making such a snap judgment. Who is she to decide how meaningful someone’s life is, or whether that person is suffering or not? If she had done even a little bit of research, she could have learned how far people with Down syndrome can go in life now. Contrary to what she seems to believe, people with Down syndrome marry, have families, work, and lead meaningful lives. One young man with Down syndrome even got a college degree and now owns his own restaurant. Unfortunately, this woman’s son was killed based on her own prejudices and stereotypes, formed on outdated, negative, incorrect information. She claims to have been concerned for his quality of life, but she killed him, so now he has no life to live whatsoever.

Why do so many people seem to believe that they can decide whether or not a person with a disability would want to live or not, or whether or not he or she would enjoy life? That’s not something that we get to decide. This blogger acts as if she somehow saved her son from an abysmal life, something that would be worse even than death. But if she had only taken the time to, I don’t know, talk to some people with Down syndrome, she might have realized how unbelievably wrong she was.

Consider, for example, the fact that a whopping 99% of people with Down syndrome report being happy with their lives and who they are. Families of people with Down syndrome are overwhelmingly happier and report a more positive outlook on life. Yet this woman condemned her son to death. She’ll never know the joy and love that little boy would have brought to her life. Given the chance of living with Down syndrome or not living at all, what choice do you think he would have made? This woman acts as if she made some sort of noble choice, though, saving him from a miserable life. Whether she actually believes it or just tells herself that so she can sleep better at night is anyone’s guess.

I also have a very hard time believing this blogger when she claims to love her son with Down syndrome just as much as she loves her other children. If that were truly the case, then she wouldn’t have killed him. If she’s telling the truth, then what would she do if, God forbid, one of her living children were in a car accident and ended up disabled? Kill him because she thinks his quality of life isn’t good enough? It’s the same logic she used for the son she killed, after all. The only difference is that her remaining children have already been born. It would be unacceptable for her to kill her children because they are disabled once they are born, so why is it acceptable to do the exact same thing before they are born? What gives her the right to decide whether her son’s life was worth living or not?

Most disturbing of all, though, is her closing: an abhorrent display of moral relativism where she excuses her decision to kill her son, claiming that there is no right or wrong answer to the question of whether or not to abort a baby after a prenatal diagnosis of Down syndrome. It’s never the right choice if it means denying someone of the chance to live. It’s even more despicable to do so based on a diagnosis of a disability. An extra chromosome does not mean that it’s acceptable to rob a person of his life. This woman’s argument is basically that people with Down syndrome are less valuable than “normal” people; otherwise, it wouldn’t be acceptable to kill them based just on the fact that they have a disability. It’s a sickening, disgusting mindset to have, and one that’s very, very wrong.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: abortion; downs

1 posted on 02/11/2013 8:54:38 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The Teachings of Jon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtRB6M592n4


2 posted on 02/11/2013 9:06:45 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Morgana

It truly is a horrific ailment. I pray they find a treatment soon to improve the lives of those who are born.


3 posted on 02/11/2013 9:12:00 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Morgana

They might be wrong about the diagnosis. It might also be God’s will and you should not be circumventing that.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 9:12:57 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Morgana
It's a throw-away world; so sad. I like this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToNWquoXqJI
5 posted on 02/11/2013 9:14:59 PM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Morgana

Here’s a wrong answer!

The Doc’s get it WRONG, a LOT!

I worked with a couple who received such a diagnosis and the husband wanted to terminate and the wife refused.

The baby girl was born PERFECT!

How would you like to be THAT dad?!?!?


6 posted on 02/11/2013 9:18:06 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Morgana
When it comes to continuing or terminating a pregnancy with Down syndrome, I believe there is no right answer.

Toss a coin - murder a baby.

7 posted on 02/11/2013 9:20:37 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Morgana
Is a Down's Syndrome child a human being? Yes.

Is is wrong to kill an innocent human being, including an unborn one? Yes.

Is it wrong to kill an unborn Down's Syndrome child?

I think the answer is crystal clear.

8 posted on 02/11/2013 9:28:58 PM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Morgana

We were faced with this situation. My wife got an amniocentesis. The genetic testing was fast and covered by our insurance. It was 100% accurate. If you are pre screened, that’s good. Get screened before you do something stupid.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 9:33:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Morgana

The wrong answer is “Murder it! Murder it!”

duh


10 posted on 02/11/2013 9:53:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry

did their marriage (I know.. assumption) survive that?


11 posted on 02/11/2013 9:54:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Morgana

There is no justification for murder regardless of the mental or physical state of the baby. If it is alright to kill the unborn for such a reason, why not kill a child who is already born or even an adult? Why even limit it to those born with such a condition? Why not extend it those who become physically or mentally disabled at a later time in their life?


12 posted on 02/11/2013 10:05:15 PM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: Vermont Lt
We were faced with this situation. My wife got an amniocentesis. The genetic testing was fast and covered by our insurance. It was 100% accurate. If you are pre screened, that’s good. Get screened before you do something stupid.

But amniocentesis cannot tell you the degree to which the child's intellect will be impacted by the condition, except that if the child is mosaic Down Syndrome the probability that he will suffer severe cognitive problems is greatly reduced.
13 posted on 02/11/2013 10:07:43 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Viennacon
It truly is a horrific ailment. I pray they find a treatment soon to improve the lives of those who are born.

There are some instances of severe cognitive disability, but they are relatively rare. The lives of those with Down Syndrome have already been dramatically improved over the course of the last 100 years.
14 posted on 02/11/2013 10:11:49 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Morgana

WOW! This woman has managed to justify murdering one of her children “for the children”. How...expected.

Typical liberal relativity speak.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 12:53:46 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Morgana

How many of the self-righteous stone throwers who’ve replied so far have raised a down’s syndrome child, I wonder ...


16 posted on 02/12/2013 1:42:01 AM PST by Zauber
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To: Morgana

“We treasure every moment with them. We moved into a better school district.”

If that’s the case, then sorry, game over lady. Just look up CSCOPE if you live in Texas and you’ll see why.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 3:52:10 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Am learning a lot about all of this testing. Seems they find more and more genetic “disorders” that we can decide whether or not to terminate. (kill). They find an errant gene somewhere in the mix and boom ...you’re on the kill list. They are trying REALLY hard to find it with autism, but so far the’ve been unsuccessful. Once they are, though ...on the kill list for sure. Makes me sick.

I know raising these children is hard — but why not just try harder to improve their lives, rather than ending them? Same goes for ALL children who someone else decides will be a “burden” to someone.

Death always seems the knee jerk option to these ghouls.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 4:13:16 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: Morgana

Murderers! 9 out of 10? God requires justice for all of them. Who’s going to the be the focus of His anger?


19 posted on 02/12/2013 4:48:02 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Zauber

So it’s self-righteous to appose murder now? You’ve captured the zeitgeist quite well.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 4:52:58 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Zauber

I have a Down’s Syndrome daughter. There is no justification for having her executed. Difficult...yes; fruitless...never.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 5:00:38 AM PST by mikemoose (Pray for the Unborn)
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To: Morgana

We are told NOT to sacrafice our children to the gods of world. Abortion is a god to many people in this world.

Who determines what a quality of life is? Is it, IF we can make enough money to buy a big screen TV?

Is it, IF we can go on a Disney cruise and stand in line for autographs for Disney characters and recite lines from their movies?

Is it, IF we can run in the Boston Marathon?

Or is it IF we can learn to be thankful for what we have, and love the people who have been given to us as family?

The answer is that abortion is murder- and we are told not to murder.

Plan and simple.

Raising children is HARD. Don’t have unprotected sex- with penis ejaculation into vagina, on days you are ovulating- IF you can not love a child.

It is not asking people to give up coffee... for God’s sake.


22 posted on 02/12/2013 5:07:18 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: tpmintx

My best friend and his wife were told their second child was going to have Downe’s. They recommended abortion (Canada). Thank God my friend is a strong Christian and believer in life, that he said no and they had a strong healthy girl.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 5:07:18 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Zauber
How many of the self-righteous stone throwers who’ve replied so far have raised a down’s syndrome child, I wonder ...

I've never raised a blind kid or a kid with a club foot.

Is it alright with you if I oppose the killing of babies with those conditions? I wonder...

24 posted on 02/12/2013 5:27:32 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Morgana

I told my doc don’t even bother testing for it, I was having the baby, period. I was not the only one.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 5:28:58 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Zauber

26 posted on 02/12/2013 5:33:36 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Viennacon
It truly is a horrific ailment. I pray they find a treatment soon to improve the lives of those who are born.

No. No it is not "horrific". My brother with Down Syndrome has the use of all his limbs. He has his sight, his hearing, his other senses. He has his mind; he can read and write and work minor arithmetic, enough to make change and get by day to day. He's learning to hold down a menial job and it makes him happy.

Is it a life I envy? No! But it's not "horrific". He's happy, he's productive, he's a human being designed in God's image just as I am. He doesn't need treatment. It's not a fatal illness.

90% of children diagnosed with DS are killed in their mother's womb. 90%. That number is absolutely horrific. It also tells me that many people who claim to be pro life will commit murder when the chips are down.

Keep your pity for the children who are murdered, not the ones who survive.

27 posted on 02/12/2013 5:42:07 AM PST by JenB
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To: GeronL

I really don’t know, in the long run.

I lost track of them.

Can you imagine what must go through the father’s mind, every time he looks at his daughter?


28 posted on 02/12/2013 5:42:49 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: JenB
I agree. I've known literally hundreds of Downs Syndrome people in my life. Some are miserable, some are happy, some are very productive, others less so. Just like everybody without DS.
29 posted on 02/12/2013 5:45:56 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: yldstrk

I also didn’t take the testing. I didn’t need to know or have the spontaneous abortion the testing might cause. I was,”of advanced maternal age”, when I was pregnant with my third.

I figured that if God brought me to it- he was going to take me thru it. Come what may ,I had my third child and she has been a blessing I can not describe with words.

I have worked with Down’s syndrome children and knew there was something much worse in this world- people with no spirit. Now that is a horrifying way to live.


30 posted on 02/12/2013 5:49:08 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: All
Inconvenient fact:

Half the population is below average.

Folks with Down Syndrome make up a small portion of that half.

If it's acceptable to kill the Down Syndrome folks, is it not also acceptable to kill the other below average folks?

Indeed, is it not a requirement to do so? To improve the breed, of course ... indeed, killing the below average folks who don't have Down Syndrome would seem more important. They don't look different from the above average folks, and are more likely to breed.

Shouldn't we embark on a careful plan for improving humanity? Shouldn't we mandatorily test everyone for IQ? Shouldn't we either sterilize or euthanize all the poor useless eaters who are below average? Aren't they just less-human? Aren't they just suffering through lives unworthy of being lived? Shouldn't we also encourage the above average folks to breed, under the careful supervision of the most intelligent?

Have we ever seen this mentality implemented in the past?

31 posted on 02/12/2013 5:50:39 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Morgana
When it comes to continuing or terminating a pregnancy with Down syndrome, I believe there is no right answer. This means there is also no wrong answer.

Wrong! There is no "answer" there is human life and it is precious in the eyes of God. We lose sight of that and we are where we are today with millions being aborted. A true holocaust.

Just ask this lady what the "answer" is.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 7:17:28 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Truth2012

Yeah no one talks about the risk of the stupid test when they remove cells to test....


33 posted on 02/12/2013 4:30:15 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Morgana
I worked for years in a large hospital that provided care for the residents of a nearby state hospital.As a result I had quite a bit of contact with patients with Down’s Syndrome.In spite of these patients being ill when I'd meet them I was always struck by their gentle and “sweet” dispositions.Of course their condition is a tragic one and raising such a child is probably quite difficult but the prospect of aborting them makes me shudder.
34 posted on 02/12/2013 4:36:58 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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