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AK-74 Vs AR-15 (Vanity)
Vanity | demshateGod

Posted on 02/12/2013 8:34:58 AM PST by demshateGod

It's about time I buy a scary rifle. I've been looking at prices on the local classified and Gun Broker and started thinking an AK-74 would give me the most for my money. I'm interested in hearing from those of you who are much smarter and informed.

5.45x39 is a good round and it's cheap, but will this always be the case? Will I even be able to get it 10 years from now?

I'm doing all I can to avoid paying panic prices but if I don't buy one soon, the money I've set aside for it will end up being used for other things.


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Please advise. Thank you.
1 posted on 02/12/2013 8:35:05 AM PST by demshateGod
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To: demshateGod

Buy it. No brainer. Ammo will be around. Keep collecting.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 8:40:44 AM PST by gwgn02
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To: demshateGod

Buy it. No brainer. Ammo will be around. Keep collecting. Join the NRA and donate often to keep our voice strong.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 8:41:41 AM PST by gwgn02
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To: demshateGod

I’m not a fan of the lighter bullets for various reasons. I’d go with the AK47 with the 7.62 x 39. The AKs are very easy to work on and very hardy. The larger bullet still has mild recoil and they are a BLAST to shoot. Unfortunately prices are a premium as you already know. That’s my 2 cents.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:42 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: demshateGod

.556 is better IMHO.

You can shoot .223 if its chambered for .556 but not visaversa.

Be ready to stand in line.

I put an AR-15 online and got 73 replies within the hour. I could have asked whatever $$$ I wanted.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:47 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: demshateGod
I think in today's climate (where we've given our seat of power to commmunists) the best thing you can invest in is reloading equipment, then stockpile components to last you through times like these.

As far as a particular ammo being available ten years from now, I never would have dreamed 22 long rifle would ever be in such short supply. The panic buying public never ceases to amaze me.

Re which rifle, if I were you I would wait 6 or 7 months, and pick up a quality AR.

6 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:54 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: demshateGod
FN FAL metric.

Its manly, has a beefier cartridge (7.62x51) than the AR-15 or AK-47, and has all of the scarey cosmetics that make Democrats wet themselves.

The MA1A is also suitable.

If you want to go old school, the M1 Garand, SVT-40, AG-42 Ljungman, Hakim, and FN49 are all respectable choices.

7 posted on 02/12/2013 8:45:36 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: envisio
*** I mean 5.56*****
8 posted on 02/12/2013 8:46:38 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: demshateGod

Both because I celebrate caliber diversity.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 8:47:54 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: SampleMan
"If you want to go old school, the M1 Garand,"

The M1 Garand is an excellent weapons AND can do double duty as an Emergency Boat Anchor...

10 posted on 02/12/2013 8:49:10 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: demshateGod

I went with a Saiga, which is the civilian version of the AK. Shoots 7.62x39. Very easy to handle. What’s best is that unlike the AR-15 you can bury this thing in dirt, pull it out and it will still fire. Try that with an AR-15. They are also very easy to field strip. Through Sportsman Guide you can get 1000 rounds for $220.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 8:51:32 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: BipolarBob

My brother has an AK. I love it.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 8:51:54 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

***5.45x39 is a good round and it’s cheap,****

That is not a.223 or 5.56 MM. It is definitely not a .30x39 RS either.

Stick with .223 or .30.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 8:52:12 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: demshateGod
Back in the day, I carried an AR-15. My Sergeant carried an AK. Don't know if the stuff below is still accurate but I do know when the trigger is pulled, you want something that will fire.

My AR-15 needed to be kept clean as well as the ammo. Otherwise, it jammed at the most inconvenient times.

The AK is made out of stamped parts and rattled when handled. Yet it never failed.

14 posted on 02/12/2013 8:52:12 AM PST by Makana (Today's solution is tomorrow's problem.)
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To: demshateGod
It all depends on you.

5.45x39 ammo is never going to be stocked in JimBo’s gas station next to the 30-06, 30-30, 7.62x39, .308, .223, 9mm, .357 Mag, .45 ACP, .40 S&W, .390 Auto, .38 Special and 22LR ammo.

It will be available on the internet (if in ten years you can buy ammo over the internet), at gun shows (if there are still gun shows), and at large specialty firearms/sporting goods stores.

I have a number of rifles in “obscure” or obsolete cartridges. I reload for all of them. I even reload for a lot of commonly available cartridges.

Personally, if you want a “scary” rifle, save your money and get a rifle that is something the you want and will be of real value to you and your heirs. If I wanted to purchase a firearm that liberals want to ban, it would probably be a semi-automatic Russian-import (AK-style action), box-magazine shotgun in 12 gauge. That is a firearm that would have lots of different uses, be very reliable, great for home protection, and very politically incorrect.

15 posted on 02/12/2013 8:52:50 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: demshateGod

“Only accurate rifles are interesting.”

The AR-15 has it in spades over the AK-47 when it comes to accuracy, but the AK-47 has a well-earned reputation for reliability.

The AR is also much more modular and has an inherently better optics mounting platform. Even the older A2 carry handle models are better than the AK in this regard.

However, if you have the opportunity to get a GOOD AK (lots of junk out there), get one. Right now prices are high, so watch what you pay for the premium of having one now vs not getting it later.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 8:53:54 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: demshateGod
Re which rifle, if I were you I would wait 6 or 7 months, and pick up a quality AR.

I should have said, "pick up a quality AR at a reasonable price." The feds aren't going to outlaw ARs, and people who bought ARs expecting such are going to be selling them.

I read this status of the gun industry on another forum. It was posted by a gun dealer.

(Begin Quote)

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here’s what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can’t get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier’s.

LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can’t get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester , CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra’s for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we’ll keep you posted...

(End quote)

The upshot is that manufacturers are ramping up production to meet demand. Once demand is met, prices will fall. It'll be like the housing crash.

Now, if you happen to be unfortunate enough to live in a pinko commie fag controlled state, that's a horse of a different stripe. All bets are off.

17 posted on 02/12/2013 8:54:09 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: SampleMan

Until my income doubles, I don’t think I want to pay for 308 ammo. Thanks though. In the upcoming CW I want to be next to you in the foxhole.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 8:55:32 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
My brother has an AK. I love it.

AK74 or AK47? They are both fun to shoot but the 47 has more knockdown power.

19 posted on 02/12/2013 8:55:32 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: LouAvul
"Re which rifle, if I were you I would wait 6 or 7 months, and pick up a quality AR."

A "friend" was discussing logistics for the inevitable Zombie Apocalypse. His thinking is streamlining his arsenal down to just a few different calibers. He is thinking instead of his AR-15 he replace it with a 9mm Carbine and using 9mm handguns. His thinking is that 9mm is a more plentiful (and cheaper) ammo to acquire before AND AFTER the SHTF...

20 posted on 02/12/2013 8:56:53 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: demshateGod

They are both good. We have one of each. I think the Bulgarian AK 74 with the C2 trigger is the best and you cannot beat the new Wyndham AR 15 HBC heavy barrel. Ammo is readily available for both.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 8:59:20 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: demshateGod

In a survival situation - where up kept and maintenance is a low priority - that weapon will perform. When yo buy it - take the top cover off and you’ll see why. I have both - but in a urban - close quarter situation that weapon will fire - and fire - and go on like the Energizer Bunny!

It’s a hardy battle rifle - and has been proven. Which is why low intelligence - non-educated types carry it - (I’m not calling you that) - but insurgent forces worldwide use either that or the AK-47 (7.62x39mm).

And when you are out of ammo - you can hit people repeatedly with it like a club until you can find more ammo...just my two cent’s...


22 posted on 02/12/2013 8:59:57 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: LouAvul

I live in Oklahoma, the reddest (non-commie-red) state in the country.

That’s great information, just what I was looking for.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 9:02:27 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
My brother has an AK. I love it.

Thou Shalt Not Covet They Neighbor's MBR.

24 posted on 02/12/2013 9:03:04 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: demshateGod

Do you plan on doing much range shooting? If you want to shoot the weapon often the AR-15 will be more accurate, less recoil, and IMO more fun. If you want to have a rifle just for self defense or shtf scenario I would go with the AK-74 as it has more punch and can take a lot more abuse. As these are the two most popular rifles in the world, availability/cost of ammo will be a wash in the long run.

Either way you might want to wait a couple of months as I don’t think congress or the tyrant in cheif can act that fast and I see prices going down slightly.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 9:03:26 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: LouAvul
the best thing you can invest in is reloading equipment, then stockpile components

I take it you haven't tried to buy reloading equipment or the supplies lately.

That would have been good advice a few months ago.

26 posted on 02/12/2013 9:05:49 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: demshateGod
Check out the VEPR AK-variant by Molot. It uses the sturdier RPK receiver, giving it greater accuracy (less receiver flex). Also uses exceptionally fine walnut stocks, especially as compared to the garbage wood you usually fine on AKs. You can even get it in 308 if desired.

I own the "super" version in 308. Damn fine rifle.

27 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:08 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: BipolarBob

Sorry, 47.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 9:09:05 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

I faced a similar question at one point, and chose not to really answer it, and just bought both, rather than choosing one over the other.

Both rifles have strengths and few weaknesses. With the AR you have better accuracy, less recoil - allowing for better followup shots. I’d keep a couple of parts kits on hand, just in case.(I’ve never had the need for one - yet)

With the AK, you get a bit harder hitting round in the 7.62, but the rifle is a bit less accurate because they generally aren’t made with the same level of precision. You could run over one with a tank, and it would probably still function. They are so so simple to work on and maintain as well. My dad was in Vietnam. He said the VCs would come up out of the mud with their AKs and it would be flying out of the receiver along with the spent casings as they were firing. (I can’t imagine an AR doing that lol)


29 posted on 02/12/2013 9:16:36 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I would certainly use it at the range but not a lot. It’d mostly be for defense, or offense if comes to that.


30 posted on 02/12/2013 9:19:29 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
The best value, IMHO, is any of the SKS versions. The Russian versions have chrome-lined bores. The Chezk, Yugo and Romanian models are also of higher quality. However, the last SKS I bought was in a pawn shop. It's a Chinese version I paid $80 for.

If you shop carefully you can equip your whole family with Chicom SKS’s for the same money you'd pay for an AR-15.

These are solid weapons of medium surplus grade. On mine I refinished the stock by sanding, staining and then treating it in linseed oil. The butt plate and other hardware are easily removable for this purpose. My philosophy is buy it cheap and improve it by cleaning, tightening, refinishing, polishing, re-bluing the original components.

But there's an abundance of mail order parts to customize these things including banana clips and pistol grips and tactical scopes, recoil buffers, bipods, etc.

Of course as Ivan Chesnokov, talking about replacing Soviet AK47 parts with American, once posted on a gun forum:

WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SH*T STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO F*CK YOURSELF IN A**HOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

31 posted on 02/12/2013 9:23:47 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I like that you almost get multiple rifles in one: With uppers chambered for almost every round.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 9:25:04 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LouAvul

Picked up a Ruger American 30-06 at WalMart this weekend. The saleman said gun and ammo dealers could just pull there truck up to the back and sell...nothing stays on th4 shelf very long. Took me about 20 min to do it, and they sold 2 rifles and a shotgun while I was waiting. Turned back at least half-dozen people looking for handgun ammo. Can’t find a .22LR anywhere in Tidewater.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 9:29:49 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wow! Yeah, but something about paying more than 350 for a sks really bothers me. I started watching them on Gun Broker, hoping to get one cheap and put a scifi bullpup conversion on it, but they’re going for 600+.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 9:30:48 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: BipolarBob

I want an AAC honeybadger (300 Blackout)


35 posted on 02/12/2013 9:31:14 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: stuartcr

The guy I talked to in Tulsa said they never know what’s coming on the truck. They got one box of 223 that day. I don’t understand the run on ammo.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 9:32:45 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Good thinking. I got Ruger Blackhawk in .30M1 to go with my carbine. If I had the money, would do the same with a .44


37 posted on 02/12/2013 9:32:58 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: thackney

I had to look around just to get dies for my new 30-06, forget about brass, powder or bullets.


38 posted on 02/12/2013 9:35:34 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: demshateGod

Lots of kids around here buy .22s and pimp ‘em up. They seem to have bought all the LRs.


39 posted on 02/12/2013 9:38:40 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: demshateGod

Personally, I don’t think you need to worry about availability of ammo & replacement parts ten years out from today.

Either things will have improved a WHOLE bunch, and your concern will be fairly academic;

OR

The greta conflict of teh 21st century will be over and your concern will be fairly academic.

I don’t think this situation is going to become another Afghanistan or Viet Nam. When THIS pot boils over, it’s going to boil dry real quickly one way or the other.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 9:39:29 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: demshateGod

Then go with the AK, designed to withstand the loving care of a soviet peasant and still fire every time. A bonus is that you won’t feel bad blasting through cheap steel case ammo at the range. Just watch out for milsurp ammo with corrosive powerder.


41 posted on 02/12/2013 9:43:21 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: demshateGod
Prices have definitely gone up. I would check out the local pawn shops, gun shows, flea markets and generally just ask around. All the variants of the Ruger Mini-14 are solid. I bought a good Ranch model with little wear last year in a pawn shop for $300. I think the AK and the AR-15 are great but in the legal sport configuration I'd just as soon pay less for any SKS. But that's just me.
42 posted on 02/12/2013 9:45:45 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

+1


43 posted on 02/12/2013 9:47:57 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: LouAvul

I had some people getting all excited about Magpul finally announcing a case for the iPhone 5.

I threw water all over that party by asking if they really thought Magpul would be wasting any injection molding capacity on anything but mags and gun parts anytime soon.


44 posted on 02/12/2013 9:49:21 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: demshateGod

I would offer advice on the subject of being a gun owner if I had any left after that freak avalanche event.


45 posted on 02/12/2013 9:51:41 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Check out the VEPR AK-variant by Molot. It uses the sturdier RPK receiver, giving it greater accuracy (less receiver flex). Also uses exceptionally fine walnut stocks, especially as compared to the garbage wood you usually fine on AKs. You can even get it in 308 if desired. I own the "super" version in 308. Damn fine rifle.

Very Cool ! Thanks, never heard of them before Thanks for posting

46 posted on 02/12/2013 10:00:49 AM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: demshateGod

Get an AK-47 with a milled receiver or an SKS that can use AK-47 magazines.


47 posted on 02/12/2013 10:01:32 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: stuartcr

“Lots of kids around here buy .22s and pimp ‘em up. They seem to have bought all the LRs.”

Granted, it’s not actually an “AR”, but the S&W M&P-15/22 is a great-looking and performing 22L with the “look and feel” of its big brother...


48 posted on 02/12/2013 10:02:00 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: CanuckYank
When THIS pot boils over, it’s going to boil dry real quickly one way or the other. Great way to put it !
49 posted on 02/12/2013 10:05:26 AM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: demshateGod

The AR is the American Militia rile today. The government uses the same ammo and magazines.

Every guard armory in the country has parts and rifles and magazines and ammo for them.

Half the cop cars in America have an AR and ammo in the trunk or shotgun rack.

Every ammunition maker is pumping out all of the 5.56 it can because virtually all of it is sold when it hits the shelf.

Eventually, everybody that can will have an AR, magazines, and ammo for their rifles. Eventually, is coming up pretty fast.

If you do not have an AR that shoots 5.56, and you get an AK74 that shoots Russian ammo, you may find yourself with an expensive club. Foreign ammo will most likely be banned by executive order tonight.

Most American ammunition manufacturers are not going to devote a lot of attention to Russian calibers like 7.62x54, and 5.45x39. 7.62x39 may have been around long enough for them to put a few boxes in every store, but at premium prices.

An AR just makes sense today at this time.


50 posted on 02/12/2013 10:16:18 AM PST by Dogbert41
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