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Was bin Laden’s Killer “Screwed” by the U.S. Government?
Time ^ | Feb12.2013 | Mark Thompson

Posted on 02/12/2013 8:40:31 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

So: did the Navy SEAL who allegedly killed Osama bin Laden get – in the provocative word on the cover of the March issue of Esquire magazine –“screwed” by the U.S. government?

Monday’s story released by Esquire into the unnamed –and now former – SEAL who claims to have killed bin Laden has been kicking up a lot of dust over his claim that the government has tossed him overboard, just as the U.S. military did with bin Laden’s body.

Bin Laden’s body went into the Indian Ocean, from the deck of the carrier USS Carl Vinson. “The Shooter,” as author Phil Bronstein refers to the man who claims to have killed bin Laden, is still alive, but also met an unhappy ending, at least as far as his 16 years of naval service is concerned:

…the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:

Nothing. No pension, no health care, and no protection for himself or his family.

(Excerpt) Read more at nation.time.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: seal

1 posted on 02/12/2013 8:40:33 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The man seems to have lost his code. He has not lost everything he claims. I blame the President and his ilk for their loose lips.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:57 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

One can argue that “ extra benefits” could be owed someone like this brace SEAL
but the gov’t is not screwing him under the present rules

Retirement is 20 years, period
He could stay the additonal 3 years to get retirment bennies, as they currently are set up.
he chooses not to
I understand that
but the gov’t at this time does not have any way to reward extra him for what he did


3 posted on 02/12/2013 8:45:59 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Who DOESN’T the US Government screw these days?


4 posted on 02/12/2013 8:47:29 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

“his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks”

He should be eligible for disability payments...but claims to be getting nothing.

That’s one of the reasons I am skeptical of this story.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 8:48:54 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Was bin Laden’s Killer “Screwed” by the U.S. Government?
No.
6 posted on 02/12/2013 8:50:09 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: RWGinger

You called it. It is as simple as that.

He knew what he signed up for, and he knew the rules. There is no accommodation for burn out.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 8:50:20 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Veterans benefits including pensions should be prorated.

I realize the 20 years is a carrot to keep experienced enlisted troops however after 12 years of war and relentless deployments it’s a little much to ask.

World War II only lasted 6 years...


8 posted on 02/12/2013 8:50:34 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: lacrew

keep in mind that he just left the service during the time of the interview
and likely hasn’t even filed for any veterans benefits yet let alone been turned down
he will automatically be eligible for VA medical benefits and likely will not have to pay anything for them or his meds .

IF after he does file for disability and somehow gets turned down then you can be skeptical


9 posted on 02/12/2013 8:57:32 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: lacrew
He should be eligible for disability payments...but claims to be getting nothing.

That’s one of the reasons I am skeptical of this story.

I'm with you. Everybody gets an exit physical, and if he truly has service connected disabilities they would have been documented. If they exist, he should be filing a claim with the VA.

10 posted on 02/12/2013 9:00:05 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Posting his name and pic is like placing a bullseye on his back.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:13 AM PST by USAF80
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To: RWGinger

Bingo. We owe this man our admiration and respect. The govt may owe him disability coverage. The Navy doesn’t owe him retirement benefits because he left the Navy without retiring. It’s a sad circumstance but he was a sailor first. His command CO, XO, counselors, and shipmates should have given him better guidance.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:30 AM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

In reality, 20 years is reasonable for a pension given the task they are to do and certainly more so that what the criminals in congress voted for themselves (that is one big crime).

He either freely elected to get out in 16 years or was too disabled and that would be the critical element in the story.

However, if his injuries were documented, there should be no issue with receiving medical assistance. I don’t imagine one reaches his status as a Navy Seal without some long term or permanent damage to one’s body.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 9:09:01 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: RWGinger
The insurance industry could thank him for bringing that particular terrorist's role to an end.

Word to the right guy by the right person and he's all set up ~ I'd suggest George Bush do it.

BTW, you can't pay off the troops when you're President and they're still on duty, but when you're not President and they're out of required military duty you sure can!

14 posted on 02/12/2013 9:10:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

He is a better source that says the story is bogus.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-ruptured-duck/the-ruptured-duck-1.160117/esquire-article-wrongly-claims-seal-who-killed-bin-laden-is-denied-healthcare-1.207506


15 posted on 02/12/2013 9:16:19 AM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: RWGinger
Regarding retirement, he only needs 6 months at the USPS to be tenured, then, if disabled, he can be retired under FERS rules for a good 16 years at 1% per year against his high 3 ~ which will look back at his previous government salary as well (that's thanks to one of those Truman/Eisenhower Executive Orders that old buddy of mine at the Post Office Department secured ~ it requires cross agency consideration for vacation, sick leave and retirement benefits!)

I've seen USPS hire on broken down NFL and NBA players, even professional golfers ~ all on behalf of their friends in the US Senate, the House, the White House ~ I, myself, hired on about 100,000 departing Infantrymen and Marines back in 1969 ~ Veteran's Preference can be made to work!

16 posted on 02/12/2013 9:16:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: RWGinger

“keep in mind that he just left the service during the time of the interview and likely hasn’t even filed for any veterans benefits yet let alone been turned down”

How or why should I keep that in mind, when the thrust of the article is a claim that he is getting no benefits. Look, when you leave the military, you get a physical - and the doctor fills out a form for disability. Right there he will tell you what his recommendation is (10% disabled, etc). And, as you go through a two week ‘out-processing’, you become quite knowledgeable about the implications of that percentage, as far as disability payments go. He would have a very good idea of what his benefits will be.

This guy also would have been given a very precise list of his benefits, when he switched his id card out, during outprocessing...and at 16 years that should include 5 years VA care at the very least.

The outprocessing also includes job search assistance - a few classes on how to fill out a resume, how to network, how to search...and there is a database of potential employers for ex-military.

Shouldn’t this reporter have asked a few questions about this...instead of blindly accepting the claim of no benefits. Well, I Googled this crackerjack reporter....here’s a few highlights from Wikipedia:

“When an alligator escaped into a city lake in 1996, Bronstein arrived in scuba gear to assist with the capture, but police turned him away.”

“Bronstein married actress Sharon Stone…”

“In 2001, Bronstein was attacked by a Komodo dragon at the Los Angeles Zoo”

He seems to like attention...he might be getting “Teo’d” right now.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 9:18:48 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

IMO this is fiction.... Real shooters don’t give such details..

My opinion.....

Stay safe Sandy !


18 posted on 02/12/2013 9:19:56 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

This story seems exaggerated. Something isn’t right.

THey make this guy sound like an industrial accident victim. The guy was a healthy SEAL at the peak of his physical condition only 1 year ago. If he had all the problems TIME says he did, I doubt he would be on a mission to get UBL.

Also, I don’t know any SEALS, but I know a few Army Rangers, and they aren’t the type to whine about how beaten-down they are. They are the most positive, can-do people I know.

Anyway, something doesn’t seem quite right about this story.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 9:21:37 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Squantos

Yea, I think I’ve seen this movie before, need to watch this remake to the end to see.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 9:23:36 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: ThomasThomas
The story has a lot of comments that are in error ~ plenty of guys got a 5 second briefing upon departure ~ from their last TOE outfit, then they showed up at a place where they got their plane ticket home.

That happens when your last duty station was overseas ~ back in the world you get more information I am sure.

More recently we've had people who've gotten injured and really could care less what the briefing officers said about VA bennies ~ and, then too, some of what they were told isn't as real as it ought to be. We've had some laws changed over the years. When I returned to my old job with the government I discovered that the law didn't really deal with return to a government job. First of all you lost seniority over the time of your absence. Secondly there wasn't even an appeal process in place to appeal to the Civil Service Commission over such matters. So, after a 5 year fight I finally got CSC to agree that I had a right to appeal to them. That didn't win though ~ I had to wait until the new Appeals Review Board was set up under Ronald Reagan. THAT WON. Democrat regimes simply don't believe in letting veterans win ~ and that is a fact at all times in our history.

21 posted on 02/12/2013 9:26:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SandyInSeattle

I agree. At least one of these SEALS has run the mouth about that OP. When one runs his mouth about any TS OP, he may well face an admin discharge as per the suitabilty evaluation board. Even two DUI’s would get him bounced. There is more to this story then reported. The man has VA medical care coming plus any service connected disability will be paid for.


22 posted on 02/12/2013 9:34:07 AM PST by Lumper20 (`)
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To: muawiyah

From your timeline, I assume you got out in the Viet Nam era...

Things are very different today. Outprocessing takes around 2 weeks, and alot of information is thrown at you. There is no way this guy was just given a handshake and sent on his way.

I understand that all the benefits could be confusing (and he should get benefits - 5 years VA, commissary for 6 months, and disability for life if he’s really as disabled as the article portrays). But, I assume a SEAL with 16 years in is resourceful enough to find the VA, etc.

Something about the story just doesn’t ring true.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 9:38:20 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
…the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:

Like I said in an earlier thread this morning, this guy seems to never have heard of the Department of Veterans Affairs and its Veterans Health Administration.

24 posted on 02/12/2013 9:48:23 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I think all of SEAL Team Six were screwed as soon as O outed them. The One put targets on their heads and made it less likely that any would make it to the golden 20 year mark.

I think we treat our long term vets like crap and should be ashamed of ourselves. When illegals get better treatment than our heroes something is grossly wrong


25 posted on 02/12/2013 10:04:52 AM PST by Nifster
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The SEAL community is very small with a lot of autonomy as far as assignment of personnel. They all know each other and while WE may not know who he is you can bet THEY all know. That said, if he really was burned out and 3 years from retirement and given who he is and what he did, I find it nearly impossible to believe they could not find some twilight tour to let him finish. More likely in the middle of a breakup with young kids he made a rash decision that doesn’t seem so smart in retrospect. Contrary to the article he is eligible for 5 years of healthcare but dependents are not. All of this is part of the transition assitance program (TAP). When I retired it was mandatory. No one can force him to pay attention. Roughly 35 years old is more than enough to accept responsibility for your actions.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 10:16:18 AM PST by CPONuke
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The article does not state clearly if he left by choice or was forced out due to injury (as was my brother-in-law after sixteen years in the army). The answer would affect my reaction to the situation.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 10:19:07 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

All the FR WHINERS should note this.

Just because the supposition of the article might be a CONVENIENT one, that doesn’t make it fact.

MOST posters on this thread have rejected this claim, even though one might ‘like’ it to be true.

That is the difference between Liberals and Conservatives.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 10:23:37 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: RWGinger

Why should he get extra benefits for killing Bin Laden, if he did? It’s not like he tracked him down and challenged him to single combat in the Thunderdome to decide the war. He was just doing his job and was in the right place at the right time.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 10:25:07 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: TSgt

“World War II only lasted 6 years”

It also killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, if we’re counting things.


30 posted on 02/12/2013 10:28:53 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: RWGinger

“the gov’t at this time does not have any way to reward extra”

What, they never bump people up a few notches and appoint them to be Grand High Poobah of a resort in the Virgin islands where they can sleep all day, then retire on double their salary? Or couldn’t he be a “consultant” of some sort and be paid millions of dollars after retirement for doing nothing in particular? Or is the armed forces unique in the anals of gubmint?

Not that he or anyone deserves it. But with the money they spend if they really have no way to reward whomsoever they choose they’re not trying hard enough.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 10:34:52 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I may have reading difficulties due to attending public schools a long time ago. When I first read the story on this guy, I took his claim about health insurance woes to be regarding his family. He served his last day, and on that last day, his family lost their health insurance. Do Veterans not have the option of continuing Tricare at their own expense after separation?

The key to everything I read yesterday is the man’s children.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 11:55:48 AM PST by petitfour
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

i find it hard to believe that anyone stupid enough to invite the wrath of the entire muslim world by claiming to kill obl is smart enough to be a seal.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 1:11:35 PM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: CPONuke

This should also serve as a waring to everyone in the service. You may love your job and even be among the best of the best. But if the only thing you can put on a resume after 16 years is “killed people 1997-2013” you probably shoiuld have been planning for a secod career a lot sooner. Not many adds in the help wanted for that particular skill.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 1:56:25 PM PST by CPONuke
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To: lacrew
I certainly do know there's much more time allocated to leaving the military these days ~ but that does not mean the guy doing the leaving particularly cares. As I recall the last couple of weeks were filled with anxiety ~ but I also recall in later years encouraging my Congresscritters to change that ~ there are now laws in place.

BTW, when I got out there really was no one in the US government ~ not at the agencies, not at the Pentagon, nor anyone in any of the veterans organizations who could even guess if a guy returning to a federal government job was covered under the same law regulating private sector returns.

The antiwar crowd were then running DC and they absolutely did not like vets, so somebody had to fight them and I did. I still hate each and every one of those little pieces of scum. Some of them were Republicans ~ they deserve worse.

Got an immense education in veterans laws as they relate to federal government employees in the interim ~ made me so dangerous that the only manual and/or handbook in the USPS I wasn't allowed the write or rewrite was the EMPLOYEE AND LABOR RELATIONS MANUAL!

You win a civil service decision personnel people despise you; win two and they fear you forever.

Then, when Senator Alexander's buddy Marvin Runyon misran a RIF in USPS all I had to do was send a lawyer a fax of one of my decisions. MSPB had no choice but to crush USPS under it's little footsies and DO STUFF!

BTW, I was more or less worked around by the agency so I didn't have a grievance ~ but I had the precedent.

Yes, government personnel A--holes are as bad and evil as they seem.

35 posted on 02/12/2013 3:04:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tublecane
Guy invents something in the government it's rare for him to receive any reward for that invention ~

That's because there's this attitude that even when it comes to inventions you did it only because you were in the right place at the right time, and that if someone else were there he'd have done the invention too.

It's like Obama's attitude that 'you didn't do that' ~

36 posted on 02/12/2013 3:28:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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