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Posted on 02/12/2013 10:00:36 PM PST by doc1019

What ever happened to the massive updates predicted my Microsoft for Tuesday? (vanity).


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1 posted on 02/12/2013 10:00:41 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Who perdicted? The Mayans or Saint Malachi?


2 posted on 02/12/2013 10:05:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
The great gods of Microsoft.

http://www.howtogeek.com/137384/week-in-geek-microsoft-preparing-for-massive-patch-tuesday-release/

3 posted on 02/12/2013 10:10:21 PM PST by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: doc1019

I would have liked to know this too, had I not switched to Linux a couple years ago. In fact, I might change my tagline to, “Virus-free since switching to Linux.”

I’d tell Windoze to kiss my ass, but I’d be afraid of catching something.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 10:13:02 PM PST by kevao (.)
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To: kevao

Although I applaud your boldness and insight in going “Linux”, your response doesn’t answer my question. But thanks anyway.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 10:17:23 PM PST by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: doc1019

It was probably intended as comedy, just like my reply. Wait for the Mac comedians next!


6 posted on 02/12/2013 10:18:51 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: doc1019

Sorry, my response wasn’t meant to give you an answer, but rather a solution ;)


7 posted on 02/12/2013 10:20:27 PM PST by kevao (.)
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To: kevao

A solution beyond my capabilities. A solution beyond my wishes. A solution that doesn’t answer my question. A solution ... well you get it.

I would love to be running Linux, but I have a computer with megs of stuff and converting would be a real pain.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 10:27:36 PM PST by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: doc1019

After today’s update Desktop manager was not working on WIN7. After couple of restart, it start behaving. Even Adobe is with update.

Lot of update for today.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 10:34:06 PM PST by jennychase
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To: jennychase

You got updates? I didn’t get anything, and I have checked often. (running windows 7 64 bit home Premium addition).


10 posted on 02/12/2013 10:41:29 PM PST by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: All

Does anyone know a while back somebody posted a link to a site that does support or offers fixes for XP and Windows 2000 still? I think it was run by a bunch of ex MS techies.
I shoulda bookmarked it...


11 posted on 02/12/2013 10:50:20 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: doc1019

There’s really nothing to convert. The open-source LibreOffice suite can open all your MS Office docs (Word, PowerPoint, Access, Excel). Digital photos and music files need no conversion.

Nor do you need any special capabilities; I’m nowhere near a computer geek, but Linux has come a long way, looks and functions pretty much like Windows now. The only program I haven’t found a really good Linux alternative for is Quicken. So I still keep a Windows computer for that.

If you have even the slightest interest in trying it out, do what I did. Start gradually. Take an old junk computer (who doesn’t have one of those lying around?), and install a Linux distribution on it. Linux can run great on older hardware; it doesn’t have the bloat that Windows has. I have Linux installed on a ten-year-old desktop, and that thing runs better than my much newer Windows 7 computers at work.

Feel free to FReepmail me if you ever want to give it a go.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 11:09:33 PM PST by kevao (.)
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To: kevao

I run Windows and Linux.

I use Linux for servers; the usual Apache and MySQL, Subversion, a shopping-cart, an image-processing library.

I use Windows for everything else.

To get the high reliability of Linux, you’ve got to use the command-line interface. Which for me is a royal pain. I don’t like having to pore through a half-dozen websites to get the answer if I can’t find it on one of my half-dozen cheat sheets.

Tried Debian last summer. Tried both Gnome and KDE GUIs. Couldn’t get used to KDE’s weird organization, and Gnome was considerably less reliable than Windows. Couple of times a day I’d be doing things in Gnome, opening files, installing software, editing stuff, and all of a sudden... =POOF=. No more Gnome. Screen goes black. Hit a few keys to get to the command line. Linux still there, but Gnome collapsed.

Re-launch Gnome, great. There it is. Only problem: my whole session, everything I was doing, is gone.

Sure, no BSOD. Sure, the underlying Linux OS didn’t crash, and was still operating. Sure, Apache didn’t skip a beat.

But the GUI part of it dumped everything I was doing into intersteller space. That’s a pain. That doesn’t happen with Windows 7, and it didn’t happen with Windows XP.

GUIs are hard. They have to be able to handle an incredible range of different missions, different user habits, different configurations, different combinations of apps. Lots of asynchronous events. Lots of variables.

Windows is a more solid GUI. Linux is a more solid OS, maybe, but only if you’re doing a limited number of relatively simple things.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 11:13:37 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

Wow, that’s not been my experience at all. I’ve been using PCLinuxOS, with KDE GUI. On any given day, I’ll have Firefox open to FR (of course) and my webmail, several “Word” documents open for editing (LibreOffice), perhaps a spreadsheet also, and an mp3 music program going in the background. Never one crash in almost two years. What kind of and how much stuff did you have open to make the GUI crash?


14 posted on 02/12/2013 11:28:27 PM PST by kevao (.)
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To: doc1019

Ran manual updates on my XP desktop, there were 12. Now doing manual updates ( 11 ) on the Win 7 laptop.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 11:32:43 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: doc1019

http://secunia.com/community/advisories/historic/

http://isc.sans.edu/diary.html


16 posted on 02/12/2013 11:36:13 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Steely Tom
Hmmm. Sounds like a marginal driver (system file), actually. Perhaps playing with one of these will help:

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1. Mepis

2. Knoppix

3. Kanotix

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OK so far? These are all very good and stable Linux live distros that you can play with without touching your current setup at all. I listed them in order of personal preference, however YMMV. Mepis Linux is the one I prefer most, and is the one I am using right now as a matter of fact. I also installed an earlier version on a friends older laptop about two years ago and she has yet to experience any sort of crash or problems. Granted, she is still a fairly new user and not really proficient with the 'Doze OS either, but other than a few games that are not available for Linux she is still up and running.

Personally, other than a couple or more specific programs that I just HAVE to have that are simply not available in Linux, pretty much everything else I want to do has an equivalent that has worked out well thus far, with no crashes or viruses over several years now. In fact right now I am downloading the latest episodes of two tv series for later offline viewing, converting an m4v to an mp4 video file to burn to a dvd, watching FoxNews in a Mozilla Firefox browser while I post/FReep in a separate Opera browser, and backing up some critical files to an external USB drive as I type this.

Very stable, very happy with this distro. Others prefer other distros of course, and there are literally hundreds of versions out there to play with. Stick with the live distros only for now to play with to see if you like one. For the really brave, there are also the BSD and Sun Unix options, or even OS/2 if you wish.

Of course, you could always go 'retro' and fall back on win XP, 2k, ME, NT, or 98. They are still out there and work quite well on older equipment.

17 posted on 02/12/2013 11:52:25 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: kevao

I was using Gnome, not KDE. As I said, KDE took too much getting used to.

As far as what kind and how much stuff did I have open, this was last summer and into the fall, so memories have faded, but I was trying to get my feet wet a little. I was using Firefox. I was opening files using one of the file opening utilities (don’t remember which one). I was loading new apps to try them out.

Sometimes I had to switch to one of the command-line terminals to do something related to the front end. Sometimes I did this by means of a terminal app, and sometimes I did it by means of F1-F6.

I was trying all kinds of things to try to figure out whether I could make the jump and abandon Windows completely. Believe me, the idea of switching Windows off forever was an appealing one, and still is.

I installed Ubuntu from the Ubuntu website. I burned an installation disk which got the process started, and went through a plain-vanilla install of the latest distro at that time (which was - if I recall correctly - “Oneiric Ocelot”).

Then we began to get more experienced Web development people involved, and they said “oh, you should switch to CentOS, it’s more stable, it’ll be easy to switch.”

It may in fact be more stable, but it wasn’t easy to switch (there were several “small” differences that each took a day or two to deal with).

I’m sure I can install a GUI onto CentOS, but we’ve moved all our servers to a remote colo (in another city), and I control everything through SSH and various consoles (Webmin, SWAT, and Subversion Edge, among others).

For every day stuff I still use Windows, as I said. I like it. It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty good, and is less “high maintenance” than Linux was for routine stuff.

Using Linux for everyday computer apps is like using a high-performance Italian sports car for tooling around town. You can do it, and it’s fun, but you pay for it in downtime, fooling around with tweaks and occasional deep dives under the covers.

You pay for using Windows too, but in money. As long as you stay within Microsoft’s “consumer” pricing model, the price/problems ratio is acceptable.

When you move to their “commercial server” price model, forget it. In fact, that’s why we moved our servers over to Linux (after buying several copies of W2K8 R2 and getting several more “development licenses” from MS, revokable at any time at their whim).


18 posted on 02/13/2013 12:04:48 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Utilizer; kevao

Uh oh! Here’s something big coming in from Microsoft! It wants to reboot me. It’s been loading something in the background for some minutes now, maybe for a half hour or so.

Utilizer I’d like to pursue your suggestions but will have to do so tomorrow. I’ve got to close up a bunch of things here before allowing the reboot of Win 7, and I’ve got to go to sleep as well (I’m on East Coast time).

I’ll get back to you. Thanks, both, for your comments and suggestions.


19 posted on 02/13/2013 12:18:12 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom
My experience has been that Gnome is more for the eye-candy leanings than greater functionality. Purists will flame Me for this, I know, but I see what I see. Those who are Macophiles always go for the Gnome desktop over KDE. Go figure.

I tend to prefer KDE. Yeh, I know, you are more used to Gnome as you have already stated, but I tend to find more useable apps with KDE ties and capabilities than when I go Gnome. If I see an app that is linked to Gnome right away I know two things about it; first, that it will be 'prettier' than an equivalent KDE app, and second, that it will be a bit less 'capable' than a KDE one. Brasero as compared to K3b (cd/dvd burner apps) comes immediately to mind.

Of course, you can always try another desktop. I would stay away from the newer versions (Cinnamon, Mint) or Ubuntu types as they are not as stable as say the straight Debian-based distros provide. You can also play with Xfce, lxde, windowmaker, or even Plan9 -but these are more for those purists looking for minimal processing demands and/or disk space for the desktop than for the Office-style environments the more popular desktops provide.

20 posted on 02/13/2013 12:37:45 AM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Steely Tom

Let me know what disaster Microsoft has created this time. I will decide whether and which updates to install in a few days. Cannot wait to get my Mac mini!! windows 8 is horrid too.


21 posted on 02/13/2013 12:48:07 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: Steely Tom
OK, you are quite welcome. In a nutshell, just download some live distros and play with them first. Do NOT load any OS until you have had a chance to try it from a live disk to see if it will work for you, that way your current familiar desktop will still be there for you to fall back on until something comes along you can use.

The three I mentioned are the ones I know are most newbie-friendly, although even that varies somewhat. I stayed away from other distros as I do not have all that much experience with them, however as they have been around for some time they must be doing SOMETHING right. For instance, I first started out in Linux using the Ret Hat OS, then some BSD -which landed Me a job in a Solaris shop, then switched over to Slackware and then Red Hat Linux on Sparc. All that within a three-year period.

Just play with a few. I am sure you will find something suitable within a short period of time. Just remember: NO INSTALLS! Play with the live CD first. Or live DVD...

22 posted on 02/13/2013 12:50:40 AM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Steely Tom
Oh, and one more thing: I agree with you about the difficulty of the Debian OS. Kind of odd in a way since this distro is Debian-based, but it is preconfigured from the start in a way that I have found to be quite user-friendly indeed.

I also tried the Debian Install route, with unhappy results -and was quite surprised, to say the least. Debian-based distro, easy install and off and running. Pure Debian install, fairly simple install, then lots of problems from then on -like being unable to save a file to the hard drive, for instance. Tried different desktops as well. Gnome; pretty, but missing friendly System Config, Network Config, and drive detection apps. KDE; some familiar apps but no hard-drive write. OK... why? Then tried lxde desktop. Minimal, fast, and quite ugly, with an app or two disappearing from the Menu. Weird.

Went back to Mepis.

23 posted on 02/13/2013 1:12:36 AM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Utilizer

Ummm... make that ‘Red Hat’, not ‘Ret Hat’, distro.


24 posted on 02/13/2013 1:14:23 AM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: djf

For “XP” just go to Microsoft.com.

Click “Security.”

Then click “Update.”

Unless you have set your computer to block scans, the web page will detect your Operating System, XP in your case, and then offer to install all critical updates.

Last I heard, about 50% of corporations still use XP, so MSFT will probably support it for several more years.


25 posted on 02/13/2013 1:24:57 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: doc1019

Maybe they had to patch the patch patches before they release.


26 posted on 02/13/2013 2:31:26 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: doc1019

It’s wednesday morning and I’m getting them now. Microsoft probably reset their time zone to 26 hours ago.


27 posted on 02/13/2013 3:25:11 AM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: doc1019
What ever happened to the massive updates predicted my Microsoft for Tuesday?

I always wondered whose Microsoft it was.

28 posted on 02/13/2013 3:54:50 AM PST by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: doc1019

I found 10 updates for my laptop and 11 for my desktop yesterday.

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They were there. Just click on your Windows Update and let it search for them.


29 posted on 02/13/2013 3:57:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: doc1019

There are “13 Important Updates” (69MB) installing right now, at 6:55am, Wednesday. Running Win-7 Pro 64-bit.


30 posted on 02/13/2013 4:05:01 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: Steely Tom

Most Win7 updates seem to require a reboot.

I just assume that when I start the update, and save & close programs in advance.

Occasionally, a reboot will stall and I have to restart the computer manually. So far, I have not had any additional problems. I read some tech sites who occasionally warn that a particular update can cause computer problems.

I still cringe every time I get any software/firmware notice of updates/upgrades. Just Monday I installed a new browser add-on update (Keyscrambler), and it literally wrecked my Win7 start up. Win7 had to run a Repair. I reverted to the older version of Keyscrambler.


31 posted on 02/13/2013 4:10:46 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: momincombatboots

I currently run Window 7 and recently bought a laptop with Windows 8. It was apparently designed for people who do little but surf the net and shop. I managed to transfer a picture file but the file on Windows 8 is extremely cumbersome. I could not transfer Word files. I won’t take the time to list all my dislikes.
I had no problem changing from the 90 series to XP or 2000 and Windows 7.


32 posted on 02/13/2013 5:42:31 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott

Just get Classic Shell (free) and you will effectively have Windows 7 with quicker boot and more efficient kernel.

http://classicshell.net/


33 posted on 02/13/2013 5:51:00 AM PST by BillM (.)
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To: Revolting cat!
It was probably intended as comedy, just like my reply. Wait for the Mac comedians next!

Well, that would be silly -- any OS requires updates from time to time, to patch bugs and add new features. All my machines (and I have Windows, OS X, and Linux) push updates from time to time -- well, not the Linux box, but that's only because it's Fedora Core 14, which is essentially end-of-lifed now, but my museum piece of hardware running it can't handle a later version; just fine for Firefox and OpenOffice, though, which is all I need it for. But it got regular package updates up until the point it was no longer supported.

34 posted on 02/13/2013 6:03:57 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: doc1019
I would love to be running Linux, but I have a computer with megs of stuff and converting would be a real pain.

What kind of stuff would you have to convert? If it's mostly documents and such, OpenOffce handles MS documents.

35 posted on 02/13/2013 7:01:19 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: kevao
The only program I haven’t found a really good Linux alternative for is Quicken. So I still keep a Windows computer for that.

I'd suggest Gnucash, but it is not the simplest thing to learn unless you're an accountant who does double-enty bookkeeping regularly. Have you thought of using a VM for Quicken? I have one program that I can't run natively in Linux, a simulator for remote controlled airplanes and helicopters (RealFlight). It works great in with vmware-player.

36 posted on 02/13/2013 7:05:46 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Utilizer

I have been running the cinnamon desktop on linux mint installed on an HP laptop to develop PHP & java apps. I have found it to be extremely stable and very fast. Compile times are similar to any other operating system. Desktop switching is fast. For software development on the LAMP stack or for android development using eclipse this is my favorite configuration. Of course if I have to work on C# then there is nothing better than Visual Studio 2010 on Windows 7... or for the newest apps Visual Studio 20122010 on Windows 8. Oddly enough, the Win8/VS2012 combination is the least stable IMHO and experience.


37 posted on 02/13/2013 7:24:27 AM PST by gcraig (Freedom is not free)
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To: zeugma

Thanks for the tip. Yes, I’ve been using VM to play with different Linux distros. I know I have that option. But since I’ve already got Quicken set up on my Windows computer, I’ll just leave well enough alone for now.


38 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:16 AM PST by kevao (.)
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To: Steely Tom

For me, KDE is so much like Windows that I had almost zero problems navigating from the very beginning. It has a start menu like Windows, I can put launch icons in my task bar at the bottom of the screen, shortcuts on my desktop....The Dolphin file manager is a breeze to use for anyone familiar with Windows Explorer.

Give PCLinuxOS (KDE version) a try sometime. You might be surprised.


39 posted on 02/13/2013 7:47:01 AM PST by kevao (.)
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To: gcraig
I have been running the cinnamon desktop on linux mint...

As I stated previously, Mileage May Vary. Glad it works for you, however it does not for Me. The one most critical program that I simply must have, TurboCAD, does not come in a Linux flavour, and the free demo version locks up under Wine. By that I mean PREVIOUS versions of the proggie (not Wine) -the newest ones I bought do not even run at all. Thankfully, v4 of the CAD program (not the demo) runs under it ok for the most part, but considering the fact that I have several years worth of schematics I need to work with and I have to go with a distro that runs at least a version that can open the saved files.

Add in the need to run Spice(TM) simulations on the schematics, mechanical drawings imported to another program to add motion to them in more than one dimension, and now adding the ability to also add material strength and run stress-analysis tests on the mechanical assemblies and there just is no getting away from certain needs. The ability to at least open and continue work on the beginning drawings is critcal for whatever Linux OS I decide to go with.

40 posted on 02/13/2013 4:26:13 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: TomGuy
I have all the systems here configured to automatically check for updates. Essential security updates are automatically installed by default, and other packages set off a small notification and then I decide whether or not to install them.

Usually, I simply ignore them as they are for petty things like updated (unused) video drivers, firmware upgrades, or Samba files, none of which are critical and can wait until more than a couple of dozen are waiting or until I decide to go with the next version of the OS or a different distro. Each option (next release / other OS) chosen is already preconfigured to work stably with the latest releases, so no worries.

41 posted on 02/13/2013 5:28:24 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: doc1019

I always apply updates manually to servers for customers with managed services, so I did all the servers tonight. Large, but not really massive and differed by OS.

Be sure to apply the Adobe updates. They had a security issue which they fixed and which then caused another issue requiring an update.

Java has an urgent update also.

And to think in 1995 some nuclear engineer told me I’d be out of a job in a few year - he thought the OS would handle everything without user interaction.


42 posted on 02/13/2013 7:53:03 PM PST by Roses0508
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To: doc1019

I always apply updates manually to servers for customers with managed services, so I did all the servers tonight. Large, but not really massive and differed by OS.

Be sure to apply the Adobe updates. They had a security issue which they fixed and which then caused another issue requiring an update.

Java has an urgent update also.

And to think in 1995 some nuclear engineer told me I’d be out of a job in a few year - he thought the OS would handle everything without user interaction.


43 posted on 02/13/2013 7:53:19 PM PST by Roses0508
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To: Roses0508

Sorry for the double posts — tablet issues.


44 posted on 02/13/2013 8:10:40 PM PST by Roses0508
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To: Utilizer

Sounds like the Windows workstation dependency I have... just for different apps / reasons. Cheers


45 posted on 02/14/2013 5:11:45 AM PST by gcraig (Freedom is not free)
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