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East Asian Physical Traits Linked to 35,000-Year-Old Mutation
NY Times ^ | February 14, 2013 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 02/15/2013 1:33:40 AM PST by Pharmboy

Gaining a deep insight into human evolution, researchers have identified a mutation in a critical human gene as the source of several distinctive traits that make East Asians different from other races.

Researchers have identified a mutation in a gene that confers several distinct traits to East Asians, including thicker hair.

The traits — thicker hair shafts, more sweat glands, characteristically identified teeth and smaller breasts — are the result of a gene mutation that occurred about 35,000 years ago, the researchers have concluded.

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The first of those sites to be studied contains the gene known as EDAR. Africans and Europeans carry the standard version of the gene, but in most East Asians, one of the DNA units has mutated.

Seeking to understand if the gene was the cause of thicker hair in East Asians with the variant gene, a team of researchers led by Yana G. Kamberov and Pardis C. Sabeti at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass., decided to test the gene in mice, where its effects could be more easily explored.

...The Broad team engineered a strain of mice whose EDAR gene had the same DNA change as the East Asian version of EDAR.

When the mice grew up, the researchers found they did indeed have thicker hair shafts, confirming that the changed gene was the cause of East Asians’ thicker hair. But the gene had several other effects, they report in Thursday’s issue of the journal Cell.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: genes; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; humanevolution; races
This is a breakthrough...but I thought the NY Times had said there ere no such things as races?
1 posted on 02/15/2013 1:33:45 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: thefactor; blam; martin_fierro; SunkenCiv; neverdem

Gene ping for thick hair and small breasts.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 1:36:28 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Evilution is a satanic lie


3 posted on 02/15/2013 1:43:07 AM PST by Psiman
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To: Pharmboy

Hmph....so much for that created equal jazz.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 1:55:41 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Pharmboy

Interesting how subject to change we are. Wonder about intelligence. East Asians perform better on IQ tests than Europeans and Africans.


5 posted on 02/15/2013 2:16:54 AM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: Pharmboy

But a second researcher had a different explanation and a third researcher had still another idea. And someone else will offer up more.

Who is going to tell the East Asian women they can’t be on the Swedish Bikini Team because they have a mutation?


6 posted on 02/15/2013 2:21:44 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Pharmboy

I guess the gene mutation also makes you smarter!


7 posted on 02/15/2013 2:34:50 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The evolution theory leaves a couple of questions. If man first evolved in Africa, why aren’t Africans away ahead of the rest of us in intelligence and accomplishments? Why did Africans not develop their rich continent?


8 posted on 02/15/2013 3:16:43 AM PST by abclily
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To: abclily

Maybe other peoples developed differently, simply because they left - and were exposed to different challenges, as it were. Or maybe those that left self selected, based on a gene mutation prior to leaving.

Who knows.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 3:26:03 AM PST by patton (Tinker toys, watches, and shiny things - we all sell rocks for a living.)
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To: Pharmboy

Funny if how Ron Paul said there were different races everyone would immediately call him a racist...


10 posted on 02/15/2013 4:16:50 AM PST by patrick3000
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To: count-your-change

Yes...facts are facts and the discovered mutation is just that. And the reason for its arising? Random mutation. And the reason why it spread so quickly and took hold in this population? Speculation.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 4:20:12 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: ZULU
Finns do better on those tests than East Asians, or anybody else. Ashkenazim Jews do second best.

Finns and Jews are not Chinese.

Note, the 35,000 year period was part of an interstadial in the glacial period so it wasn't exactly hot and sweaty! looking forward from that time to 24,000 years ago at the glacial maximum, that meant the Chinese weren't even living in China for most of that period.

The current theory is that the people who became Europeans and Chinese separated 35,000 years ago somewhere in central Asia.

The thicker hair event occurred in the last place all the Chinese, Japanese, Thai, American Indians and others lived in the same place ~ which is in Siberia not far from Lake Baikal ~ but even then the Chinese didn't live in China.

12 posted on 02/15/2013 4:21:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pharmboy
Exactly! Could have been men lost interest in women's breasts ~ bwahahahaha!!!!!!

This is actually a great case or putting an end to the 'sexual selection' theory!

13 posted on 02/15/2013 4:23:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: patrick3000

This is actually ONE RACE, different hair!


14 posted on 02/15/2013 4:24:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cowboy Bob

Wow, what a way to start the day...to find out that your wife is a mutant.
I’ve got to admit though, I’ve had my suspicions.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 4:38:04 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Pharmboy

bookmark


16 posted on 02/15/2013 4:47:31 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Pharmboy
WOW! WHAT A MUTATION!


17 posted on 02/15/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Seriously, this “mutation” could’ve happened shortly after the tribes wandered away from the Tower of Babel...read Genesis for this account.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 5:09:35 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: abclily

Maybe because the smart one recognized the hole Africa is and left....


19 posted on 02/15/2013 5:20:59 AM PST by fuente
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To: abclily

The less intelligent ones stayed.


20 posted on 02/15/2013 5:28:14 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: patton

Maybe they left because they got tired of having to take care of and feed those that didn’t plan ahead.

Those that consumed their food all at once and only wanted to feed themselves on a day to day basis, and if they couldn’t feed themselves on a day to day basis they simply took food from others that did plan ahead and didn’t consume their food all at once.

Some of the tribes in Africa are still that way. Hunt and gather enough to feed themselves for a day.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 5:45:06 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Psiman

>Evilution is a satanic lie

Salivation is for the drooling masses.


22 posted on 02/15/2013 5:45:58 AM PST by soycd
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To: Pharmboy

The yellow fever gene, because obviously the gene was selected for via sex...


23 posted on 02/15/2013 5:50:10 AM PST by GraceG
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To: muawiyah
...as the source of several distinctive traits that make East Asians different from other races.

That's the part of the opening sentence that caught my eye. Wade has been getting a bit un-PC lately. I think he even believes that genes affect intelligence--horror of horrors.

24 posted on 02/15/2013 5:52:08 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: muawiyah

[ Finns do better on those tests than East Asians, or anybody else. Ashkenazim Jews do second best. ]

The colder it is the smarter you are!!!!

Keep your eyes on those laplanders and eskimoes, they are just waiting for us to make a mistake and then they move in and take everything over....


25 posted on 02/15/2013 5:52:27 AM PST by GraceG
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To: IMR 4350

>Maybe they left because they got tired of having to take care of and feed those that didn’t plan ahead.

Looks like many migrated to chitcago, detroit and many other northern cities. When the takers exhaust the loot they will move on again or die off.


26 posted on 02/15/2013 5:52:44 AM PST by soycd
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To: Pharmboy

There are two conflicting notions here that co-exist. While mutation certainly happens, and happens a lot, the overwhelming majority of mutations are unsuccessful, either resulting in failure, or never leading to expression, or preservation in the genetic line.

Therefore, natural selection can pick and choose its choices from among available ancient and recent mutations, and in a relatively few generations, create a new dominant pattern or subspecies.

But wait, there’s more. Over much longer periods of time, species try to develop a “chromosomal balance”, in which they might have more chromosomes for greater diversity, or fewer chromosomes, to save energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisms_by_chromosome_count

For this reason, the organism with the most known number of chromosomes is actually a fern, known as “Adders-tongue” with 1440 chromosomal pairs. Humans only have 46.

And oddly enough, for uncounted generations, the human species is trying to *lower* that number. Our two sex chromosomes, ‘X’ and ‘Y’, used to both be ‘X’, but one of the ‘X’s lost one of its “legs”, so is now a ‘Y’ chromosome, called the male sex chromosome.

And the ‘Y’ chromosome is on the way out. The species is moving to cull it from our genome, and the current ‘X’ sex chromosome will become a ‘Y’, and another ‘X’ chromosome will take its place.

Right now, one of the predominant causes of retardation is called “fragile ‘X’ syndrome”, in which these children’s ‘X’ sex chromosome has a weak or detached “leg”.

No one quite knows how, when there is a successful human mutation to 45 chromosomes, how or if they will be able to reproduce with 46 chromosome humans.


27 posted on 02/15/2013 5:55:43 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: abclily

According to this slide presentation
http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/COMET-IMPACT-ANALYSIS-AND-EFFECTS-3JAN2013-WEBSITE.pdf
a world-wide flood was caused by a very large comet impact, meaning that the Earth was a much different place for most of its history. If true, then it was much warmer in the abyss due to atmospheric pressure - explaining, perhaps, why we have no fur. Vastly more inhabitable space could plausibly account for the differences among us. Presently exposed landscapes were mostly uninhabited due to the cold, and so scientists are working with incomplete information (and have been, unwittingly).


28 posted on 02/15/2013 6:03:59 AM PST by mj81
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To: soycd

It is a trait of the black race more so than any other race and it’s the same all over the planet not just the US.

They progress just enough to feed themselves then the progression stops until they need to progress again to feed themselves again.

When they are being fed the progression stops.

This trait isn’t confined to just the black race but it is more common in the black race.

“Don’t feed the bears” same principle.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 6:17:50 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Pharmboy

What are the “characteristically identified teeth” that the article refers to? How are they different?


30 posted on 02/15/2013 6:18:50 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: RadiationRomeo
Great question...East Asians have what are called "shovel incisors" which have a distinct anatomy not shared by Euros or Africans (or by the Indians of the sub-continent, either).

One of the main bits of evidence for Wolpoff's multi-regional hypothesis (that is, the theory that races originated early, before we were Homo sapiens but rather while we were Homo erectus) was the fact the Peking Man from 400,000 years ago also had shovel incisors. That's why this was so important to the researchers: if they could show that shovel incisors were "only" 35k years old, then the Peking Man similarity could be marked up to a coincidence.

31 posted on 02/15/2013 6:35:20 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: IMR 4350

If you are arguing that environmental stress can cause changes in behavior, then I agree.

And taxation is a form of environmental stress.


32 posted on 02/15/2013 6:38:53 AM PST by patton (Tinker toys, watches, and shiny things - we all sell rocks for a living.)
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To: Pharmboy
"Yana G. Kamberov and Pardis C. Sabeti at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass., decided to test the gene in mice, where its effects could be more easily explored."

The next test:


33 posted on 02/15/2013 6:38:57 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: abclily

[If man first evolved in Africa, why aren’t Africans away ahead of the rest of us in intelligence and accomplishments? ]

Because those who ventured into the icelands were forced to adapt or die.


34 posted on 02/15/2013 6:39:18 AM PST by TArcher
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks Pharmboy.

But this begs another question. If American indians are descendents of east Asians then why don’t they have shovel incisors? (or do they?)


35 posted on 02/15/2013 6:41:25 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: patton

Now we are seeing migrations because of economic stress.

People are tired of producing to provide for the non-producers so they are leaving for a location where what they produce goes to provide for themselves and those they CHOOSE to provide for.

I think it’s possible the same thing happened 100’s of thousands of years ago or whenever they left Africa.

The producers are the ones that always wandered further and further out from the group to hunt or gather the food for the others.

Maybe one day they decided “Why take this food back to the group there is more for us if we don’t. Let them hunt and gather their own food.” and they just kept going.

Maybe “Out of Africa” was because socialism was a failure then just as it is now.


36 posted on 02/15/2013 7:42:07 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: RadiationRomeo
Yes, they do.


37 posted on 02/15/2013 7:53:28 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: IMR 4350

Interesting - and entirely possible.

Isn’t that why the Irish, for example, migrated to the US? For a chance to produce for themselves?


38 posted on 02/15/2013 7:57:45 AM PST by patton (Tinker toys, watches, and shiny things - we all sell rocks for a living.)
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To: patton

Just look at the illegals from Mexico.

The first ones that came didn’t come to mooch off the system, they came to work and send some money back to their families in Mexico.

A lot have stayed to work but they no longer send as much or any money back they keep it for themselves.

Now a lot aren’t coming to work but to mooch off the system.

It’s people with an inner desire to have more that has driven progress, not the people that are content with what they can get from the people that have more.

I believe human progress has pretty much been driven by producers with a desire to rid themselves of takers.


39 posted on 02/15/2013 8:28:58 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Well, not sure I agree here, FRiend...there are no slackers in hunting-gathering societies. Everyone does something, or they do not share in the food.

I think what you describe best fits with life after agriculture arose and there came an elected body who could maintain their power by redistributing others' wealth. But I sure get your point.

40 posted on 02/15/2013 9:45:23 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Hunter gathering societies were/are pretty much content to feed themselves on a day to day, it’s the people that wanted more that developed agriculture.

Assume you have a village and the village is divide into six groups of equal numbers to hunt and gather food.

Every day the 6 groups go out and every day the 6 groups return each with some food, but 2 of the groups return every day with more food than the other 4 groups combined. Everyone gets an equal share.

When times are good there may not be a real problem, but when times are hard the 2 more productive groups will say
“we can provide enough food for ourselves but we can’t provide for the other 4 that don’t produce as much”.

The 2 more productive groups can stay and starve with the others or they can leave and feed themselves.

The 2 groups that leave will take with them the superior skills that made them more productive and pass these superior skills along.

Some in the 4 groups that are left might survive, but they do not have superior skills to pass along so their society stays stagnant.

The same thing is repeated over and over again, the more productive leave as a means of survival because they cannot survive and also provide for the non or if you prefer the less productive. When they leave their superior skills go with them.

Finally one day someone had the bright idea “instead of searching all over hells half acre for this plant that gives me seeds to eat everyday, I will gather extra seed and not eat them instead I will plant some of these seeds in one place so I know where they are” and bingo we had agriculture.


41 posted on 02/15/2013 12:00:16 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Whatever comes into your mind is OK? Just make stuff up, and that does it for you? OK...I get it: you're not a scientist, but c'mon, man!

Here, read this. It varies, but many H-G societies DO store food.

42 posted on 02/15/2013 3:39:22 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: RadiationRomeo

Not sure about the incisors, but Native Americans are descended from Siberians.


43 posted on 02/15/2013 6:28:24 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Pharmboy

Many doesn’t mean ALL. Don’t you know that, or is that above your level. It really doesn’t take a scientist to know that.

Some H-G in Africa after 100,000 years still don’t store any significant amount of food, what do you think people did before they left Africa for other parts?


44 posted on 02/15/2013 6:51:36 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Pharmboy; martin_fierro; blam

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Pharmboy.
Africans and Europeans carry the standard version of the gene, but in most East Asians, one of the DNA units has mutated.
IOW, it wasn't a mutation, it was a boys-meet-girls story.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


45 posted on 02/15/2013 6:56:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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46 posted on 02/15/2013 8:43:41 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: soycd

You Funny


47 posted on 02/16/2013 12:47:32 AM PST by Psiman
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To: abclily
If man first evolved in Africa, why aren’t Africans away ahead of the rest of us in intelligence and accomplishments?

Considering that civilization DID first emerge out of Africa (in ancient Egypt) as well as the Middle East (the "fertile crescent" of what is now Israel, Syria, Iraq, & Iran) which is right next to Africa...I don't see your point.

Yes, Africa in modern times--that is the last 400 years--has been a basket case. There has never been an one political entity controlling all, or even most of, Africa--as it's topography, including the world's biggest desert and some of the world's biggest rain forrests--doesn't exactly make unification easy, or even possible. The Meditaranian region, Europe, China--and the fertile crescent, are much more amenable for travel--and military/political control...i.e. empires, the topography which of course which has hosted many such empires...and civilization....and development, unlike much of the rest of the world, excepting of course, North America.

48 posted on 02/17/2013 9:36:47 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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