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Why is the Department of Homeland Security buying so many bullets?
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Posted on 02/15/2013 5:14:29 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them --roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States -- for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 5bulletsapiece; guncontrol; secondamendment; sincethefall; whatarewegoingtodo

1 posted on 02/15/2013 5:14:32 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Could anything possibly be any clearer than this, what’s in the works for us...?


2 posted on 02/15/2013 5:19:53 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The Border Patrol is just one of many armed agencies in DHS and they use nearly 20 million rounds a year just in basic qualification. Over a 5 year period that is 100 million rounds just for the Border Patrol.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 5:21:28 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

So Obama can go skeeting??


4 posted on 02/15/2013 5:25:28 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

So there isn’t enough for patriotic Americans to buy?


5 posted on 02/15/2013 5:26:50 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Ajnin

Finally, a voice of reason in an ever increasing conspiracy heavy world.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 5:30:59 PM PST by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

so civillians can’t. and so the ones they can buy cost more.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 5:33:08 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Let’s compare the efficacy of this kind of training. How much training did the officers receive who threw rounds at two vehicles that looked like the cop killer’s vehicle?


8 posted on 02/15/2013 5:34:19 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: doc1019

Let’s see.

One contract. 750 million rounds. To train 70,000 agents.

750,000,000 rounds for 70,000 agents. (NONE of whom are now “permitted” to arrest ANY illegal alien, by the way.....)

10,700 rounds per agent? For target practice?


9 posted on 02/15/2013 5:45:12 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Ajnin
The Border Patrol is just one of many armed agencies in DHS and they use nearly 20 million rounds a year just in basic qualification.

Yeah, I thought they could only fire bean bags...

Seriously, I've read that they are buying hollow points, is that the type of ammo used to qualify?

Damn expensive way to practice...

10 posted on 02/15/2013 5:50:24 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

PPardon my poor math skills but 15million rounds times5 years is 75 million, not a billion. Even doubling that for good luck is only 150 million.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 5:59:16 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

So they just decided to buy about 140 years worth of ammunition for training?

Right... I wonder if there are any bridges that are up for sale?

Mark

12 posted on 02/15/2013 6:00:21 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: DaxtonBrown
Agreed. For them that can't quite cipher correctly, 1.6 billion is
One Thousand Six Hundred Millions.
13 posted on 02/15/2013 6:04:06 PM PST by frankenMonkey (this space for rent)
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To: faithhopecharity

To shoot us and our kids with.

Now.

What are we all gonna do about it?

LMAO!


14 posted on 02/15/2013 6:13:19 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

actually, I heard that that is what LEO and domestic forces use.

Keeps ‘em from killing people on the other side of the wall when they miss


15 posted on 02/15/2013 6:19:30 PM PST by digger48
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Hollow points are not for practice. They are for the streets.


16 posted on 02/15/2013 6:27:04 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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17 posted on 02/15/2013 6:28:29 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

“Also seize the provisions and ammunition that the enemy is bringing up from the rear to the front.”

Mao, Basic Tactics


18 posted on 02/15/2013 6:33:58 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Because they can afford it. Anybody bought any .375 H&H, .416 or .458 ammo lately. A box of .460 Weatherby is creeping ever closer to $10.00/cartridge.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 6:34:32 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: DaxtonBrown

It is 70k officers X number of rounds for qualifications X four quarters X five years
70000x100x4x5=140 million


20 posted on 02/15/2013 6:36:37 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Yes hollow points are used. Officers must qualify with what they will use in the field.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 6:40:47 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Hollow points aren’t much more expensive. OTOH, the frangible-bullet rounds are another matter....


22 posted on 02/15/2013 6:58:22 PM PST by expat2
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To: Ajnin

We used to shoot several times a year (changed now and then). We only shot duty ammo once per year. Our practice ammo was an equivalent but a full metal jacket. There can be a bit of price difference if you buy ammo by the 10’s of thousands. I doubt that DHS uses hollow points for practice, but they may. Most agencies fire duty ammo once per year sometimes once every 2 years. WE used to shoot what we carried and were issued new. Figured that it had been exposed to the elements.


23 posted on 02/15/2013 7:15:54 PM PST by midcop402
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To: Ajnin

We used to shoot several times a year (changed now and then). We only shot duty ammo once per year. Our practice ammo was an equivalent but a full metal jacket. There can be a bit of price difference if you buy ammo by the 10’s of thousands. I doubt that DHS uses hollow points for practice, but they may. Most agencies fire duty ammo once per year sometimes once every 2 years. WE used to shoot what we carried and were issued new. Figured that it had been exposed to the elements.


24 posted on 02/15/2013 7:16:01 PM PST by midcop402
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To: Ajnin

We used to shoot several times a year (changed now and then). We only shot duty ammo once per year. Our practice ammo was an equivalent but a full metal jacket. There can be a bit of price difference if you buy ammo by the 10’s of thousands. I doubt that DHS uses hollow points for practice, but they may. Most agencies fire duty ammo once per year sometimes once every 2 years. WE used to shoot what we carried and were issued new. Figured that it had been exposed to the elements.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 7:17:45 PM PST by midcop402
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To: Ajnin

We used to shoot several times a year (changed now and then). We only shot duty ammo once per year. Our practice ammo was an equivalent but a full metal jacket. There can be a bit of price difference if you buy ammo by the 10’s of thousands. I doubt that DHS uses hollow points for practice, but they may. Most agencies fire duty ammo once per year sometimes once every 2 years. WE used to shoot what we carried and were issued new. Figured that it had been exposed to the elements.


26 posted on 02/15/2013 7:17:58 PM PST by midcop402
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To: doc1019
DHS seeks 7,000 'assault rifles' for 'personal defense'

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/dhs-seeks-7000-assault-rifles-for-personal-defense/#PD42L6mlXx1s7rI2.99

Not a conspiracy, its blatant!
27 posted on 02/15/2013 7:29:20 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: midcop402

Yes, DHS does use hollow points for practice. I am absolutely sure of this.


28 posted on 02/15/2013 7:33:10 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


29 posted on 02/15/2013 8:03:59 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: Ajnin
Thanks for the first hand knowledge on this subject. Much has been said in ignorance recently.
30 posted on 02/15/2013 8:07:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
<> Mostly from our erstwhile politicians.
31 posted on 02/15/2013 9:23:15 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Why is the Department of Homeland Security buying so many bullets?

Ummm.

To kill us?

32 posted on 02/16/2013 3:12:41 AM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: doc1019
Finally, a voice of reason in an ever increasing conspiracy heavy world.

It still begs the question: Why, under this administration, would they move from an annual buy to a 5-year buy? It's about the only time I've seen them tell us they were doing something to save money. Just because someone is a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy...

33 posted on 02/16/2013 5:22:13 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

They do not want to kill any one with out excuse, but just looking at them will be an excuse.


34 posted on 02/16/2013 6:25:28 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Why is the Department of Homeland Security buying so many bullets?

Because they just bought a bunch of Dillon progressive reloading presses and want to try them out?

35 posted on 02/16/2013 6:35:39 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
why? because they hate you... that's why
36 posted on 02/16/2013 1:05:25 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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