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Office 2013 retail licensing change ties suite to specific PC forever
Computerworld ^ | 2-15 | Gregg Keizer

Posted on 02/15/2013 6:25:19 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

Microsoft yesterday confirmed that a retail copy of Office 2013 is permanently tied to the first PC on which it's installed, preventing customers from deleting the suite from one machine they own and installing it on another.

The move is a change from past Office end-user licensing agreements (EULAs), experts said, and is another way Microsoft is pushing customers, especially consumers, to opt for new "rent-not-own" subscription plans.

"That's a substantial shift in Microsoft licensing," said Daryl Ullman, co-founder and managing director of the Emerset Consulting Group, which specializes in helping companies negotiate software licensing deals. "Let's be frank. This is not in the consumer's best interest. They're paying more than before, because they're not getting the same benefits as before."

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1 posted on 02/15/2013 6:25:22 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I’ve been happily using Open Office for free for at least 5 years.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 6:28:01 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Open office works great.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 6:29:07 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Politicalmom

They are targeting me, I just installed office 97 on my new win system. I downloaded open office just in case they didn’t support 97 any more


4 posted on 02/15/2013 6:31:55 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Politicalmom

Nothing wrong with using Office 2007.

I use Open Office, my only gripe is I haven’t figured out how to use Korean letters. (or more accurately hangul)


5 posted on 02/15/2013 6:33:37 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Worth every penny I paid for it.

6 posted on 02/15/2013 6:35:17 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Microsoft saturated the market; I don't know anyone who doesn't have MS Office but wants to have.

If the number of customers is constant (and dropping, due to recessions) then the company has to tighten the grip on existing customers. Just like Obama.

Unfortunately, at some point people will realize that hacked versions are an increasingly good value for the money. MS was even so kind to design the hack right into their products. As the industry rolls back from polished rows of cubicles and necktie-wearing engineers in white shirts to dirty warehouses and fly by night companies, businesses will see less value in compliance - especially if to stay legal you have to pay twice and thrice for the same product.

7 posted on 02/15/2013 6:38:19 PM PST by Greysard
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To: GeronL
Korean Letters in Open Office
8 posted on 02/15/2013 6:41:21 PM PST by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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To: TheCipher

with Linux


9 posted on 02/15/2013 6:43:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

So Microsoft is conceding defeats to Google Docs?


10 posted on 02/15/2013 6:48:22 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I’ve replaced Microsoft Word with Kingsoft Writer. Faster and does all that I need with a better interface, IMHO.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 6:52:44 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Yet another dumb move by Microsoft


12 posted on 02/15/2013 6:57:10 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: TheCipher

The FR community continues to surprise and delight!


13 posted on 02/15/2013 7:01:19 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I have found features missing in Open office that I need. In power point I can adjust character spacing by a 1/10 of a point. I haven’t found this in Open Office.
I wonder if you could install it on a virtual machine and them move the virtual machine to a new location?


14 posted on 02/15/2013 7:09:01 PM PST by ThomasThomas (Normal isn't normal anymore.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Pretty soon a copy of MS Office 97 will cost more than the latest release from Microsoft. I have a couple of them, and they do everything I need to do. This is important, because Open Office spreadsheet graphing is useless.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 7:09:01 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I still love Win98, and use it in arcade machines. It gets the job done for the simple things I have to do on trailing edge equipment, which I have BOXES of. I am Mad Max of the info superhighway. Suck it, Bill Gates!


16 posted on 02/15/2013 7:15:07 PM PST by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Office 2000 still works on my Windows 7/64bit/8gb ram machine for my limited purposes -— Word and Front Page.


17 posted on 02/15/2013 7:19:14 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I’d much rather stick with WordPerfect.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 7:30:39 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Yet another reason why I will never buy another MS product as long as I can help it. Win 2k and XP were the last since I had no choice -they came with the system(s), but everything else possible is all Linux all the time.

To this day, people are still surprised at what they can do on a Linux system -FREE! Twenty dollars for an old used computer if you don't already have one and a free download onto CD for the install and she's right, mate!

19 posted on 02/15/2013 7:34:13 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

apparently their strategy is to reduce the number of people buying ms-office.


20 posted on 02/15/2013 7:37:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ThomasThomas

The processor has a signature - I’d be surprised if you could move the installation with a VM.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 7:38:54 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: ThomasThomas

i would think so. that’s what you’d have to do.


22 posted on 02/15/2013 7:39:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: All

Now that I think about it, there were a couple of vendors that said they MIGHT shave off ten or twenty dollars to ship a system without the ‘Doze OS preinstalled and I couldn’t help but wonder: so why does MS always demand no less than one hundred twenty-five dollars for an Install CD and invalid COA?


23 posted on 02/15/2013 7:40:21 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: ThomasThomas

>>I wonder if you could install it on a virtual machine and them move the virtual machine to a new location?

VMs are ever more popular in commercial environments. I cannot see them trying to prevent this. Maybe require an Internet connection so they can limit usage to one machine at a time, but not prevent the transfer of the VM to another host.

By the way, there is a most amazing torrent at TPB - Windows 8/Office 2013 in a single torrent. A couple of clicks and ready to go. If you don’t know what TPB bay is, don’t ask - this is not for you.


24 posted on 02/15/2013 8:19:39 PM PST by expat1000
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Even for MS, that’s pretty crappy.

I’d almost call it mean-spirited.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 8:26:49 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Bill Gates and Michael Dell just took Dell private...this is just their first attempt at emulating the Apple model of a subscription based model where you can’t change anything without permission.

They will attempt to lockup up the processor, board, operating system and software into one, non-transferable licensing agreement.

You will have to go to them for replacement parts...etc.


26 posted on 02/15/2013 8:44:54 PM PST by willyd
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I expect the corporate blowback will be substantial. Or they will just stay with a version other than 2013.

I’m still using Office 2000 and it does substantially more than I need.

Those of you who dislike the “ribbon,” take a look at:
http://navigatorutilities.com/


27 posted on 02/15/2013 9:07:30 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I expect the corporate blowback will be substantial. Or they will just stay with a version other than 2013.

I’m still using Office 2000 and it does substantially more than I need.

Those of you who dislike the “ribbon,” take a look at:
http://navigatorutilities.com/


28 posted on 02/15/2013 9:09:52 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

This is not such a bad deal for me. You get full install for 5 computers, MAC or PC, which should be plenty for me, and includes Word, Powerpoint, Access, Excel, Outlook,, and Publisher for $99 for one year. Cloud is optional, but I have a feeling that it may become mandantory at some stage. I’ll start whiing then. The only thing I see “bad” is the dropping of the Picture Manager, which had some good editing tools. Of course Picture Manager itself was a poor replacement for he once legendary Photo Editor.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 9:26:52 PM PST by BRK
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

That’s it. Next computer I get will be getting Open Office.

Hate the new interface and menus on Microsuck Officious anyway


30 posted on 02/15/2013 9:34:00 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mr Rogers

Does it do autotext and macros?


31 posted on 02/15/2013 10:10:53 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: upchuck

“I expect the corporate blowback will be substantial. Or they will just stay with a version other than 2013.”

Corporate licensing is -very different. The company I supported had over 100,000 pcs and I was told that the licensing was around $25 a year per cpu for the office pro suite.


32 posted on 02/15/2013 10:11:34 PM PST by ThomasThomas (Normal isn't normal anymore.)
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To: willyd
The last Dell I bought was a piece of crap.

When I calculated the money I've spent on PCs, I realized I could've just bought a Mac. I was nervous about making the switch............I wish I would've switched to Mac so much sooner.

33 posted on 02/15/2013 10:43:03 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
I work for DOD and get the HUP rate - I got the new Office for $9.95 and got the Backup CD for under $14 for a total of under $25. It's the only way i would buy Office and it looks like I won't be upgrading to 13 from 10 any time soon because I'll likely need a new computer before 10 is "outdated".

One of these days I need to start studying up on LINUX to free myself fro Microsoft permanently.

34 posted on 02/16/2013 5:33:07 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
I suspect that it won't be long until I can get a replacement copy of Office 2013 any time I want, just like 2010, 2007 and 2003. (Shiver me timbers!!)

Seriously though, buying a new version of Office to replace the old one every time it comes out is like buying a new car to replace your perfectly good old one because the new model has a redesigned trunk lid release and a new typeface on the speedometer.

35 posted on 02/16/2013 6:08:33 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
I suspect that it won't be long until I can get a replacement copy of Office 2013 any time I want, just like 2010, 2007 and 2003. (Shiver me timbers!!)

Seriously though, buying a new version of Office to replace the old one every time it comes out is like buying a new car to replace your perfectly good old one because the new model has a redesigned trunk lid release and a new typeface on the speedometer.

36 posted on 02/16/2013 6:09:26 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: ThomasThomas
...the licensing was around $25 a year per cpu for the office pro suite.

So you're renting the software. Which is exactly the model MSFT is trying to get to.

37 posted on 02/16/2013 7:31:52 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Vendome
Hate the new interface and menus on Microsuck Officious anyway

Take a look at: http://navigatorutilities.com/

Adds the "old" interface to the ribbon.

I despise the ribbon. Hate it with a passion. That's another reason why I'm still using Office 2000.

I keep a copy of the free Navigator Utilities on my flash drive. If I'm in a situation where I'm going to be forced to use the ribbon for awhile, I install the utilities, use the "old" style menu to be productive and get the work done, then uninstall when I'm done.

38 posted on 02/16/2013 7:41:56 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Does it do autotext and macros?”

Haven’t tried that yet. Their website says:

http://www.kingsoftstore.com/support-for-windows-office/3040-how-to-use-autotext-in-word-document.html

This review says it can use macros:

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/downloads/3249899/kingsoft-writer-free-2012/


39 posted on 02/16/2013 7:50:19 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: upchuck

Nice ....

Thnx

IiR the cost will be $100


40 posted on 02/16/2013 10:41:42 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: upchuck

Corporations already drag their feet on Office upgrades, and Microsoft will undoubtedly bend for them before they bend for consumers.


41 posted on 02/16/2013 11:48:46 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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