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Why Is Buffett Buying GM?
Motley Fool ^ | 2-16 | John Rosevear

Posted on 02/16/2013 7:51:11 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

Interesting news for auto-watchers: Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-A), the savvy conglomerate controlled by the great Warren Buffett, disclosed in an SEC filing on Thursday that it had bought 10 million shares of General Motors (NYSE: GM).

That comes on top of another 15 million shares of GM Berkshire bought earlier in 2012, bringing the total value of the company's investment in the General to nearly $700 million as of Thursday's close.

That's not chump change, even by Buffett's standards. What might Berkshire be thinking?

Is GM a value stock? The obvious guess for anyone who knows anything about Buffett's career is that he (or, more likely, Berkshire's new portfolio managers, Todd Combs and Ted Weschler) thinks that GM is undervalued at current price, particularly when viewed in the context of where the business is likely to go over the next several years

I happen to agree, which is why I own (somewhat less than 25 million shares of) GM stock myself. But it requires some explaining, because GM isn't really undervalued by the most basic traditional measures. Its current price-to-earnings ratio is around 10.4, roughly the long-term norm for auto stocks.

But it may well be undervalued after taking into account the huge amount of room for improvement available in GM's global operations -- and current management's determination to make those improvements and realize GM's full value.

Big gains await GM's Europe turnaround GM lost $1.8 billion in Europe last year and expects significant losses to continue for at least another year or two. The problems are a lot like those GM had in the U.S. a decade ago: too much production capacity, too-high costs, and declining sales -- in the case of Europe, because of a deep, protracted recession.

But GM CEO Dan Akerson has set in motion a major effort to overhaul GM's sick European operation. A new management team is in place, a factory has been closed, another has been sold, a cost-saving joint-venture with French automaker PSA Peugeot Citroen (NASDAQOTH: PEUGY) has been established, and a bunch of new products are coming.

GM CEO Dan Akerson reiterated on Thursday that he expects GM Europe to break even on a pre-tax basis by "mid-decade". Consider that GM made $6.19 billion in 2012. If GM had simply broken even in Europe last year, that number would have jumped to about $8 billion before taxes -- with no other changes or improvements to GM's global operations.

And the thing is, other changes and improvements are already happening.

Improvements at home are already in motion Despite posting three profitable years in a row since its emergence from bankruptcy, GM is still very much a turnaround work in progress. It still has some catching up to do before it can match Ford (NYSE: F) or Toyota's (NYSE: TM) end-to-end product quality here in the U.S. -- or for that matter, Ford's profit margins here.

But what isn't visible to casual observers is that the work needed to narrow that gap is already happening. For the past three years, GM has been working on a full-on product overhaul that is just now hitting its stride. Products like the Chevy Cruze and Sonic small cars, and last year's Cadillac ATS sedan, have proven that GM can design and build vehicles that really do compete well with the world's best.

Over the next couple of years, GM will go from having North America's oldest product lineup to its newest, as a slew of all-new cars and trucks hit its dealers. If they're competitive – and GM's recent track record inspires some confidence – those new products should improve GM's average transaction prices, driving fatter margins.

The upshot: A lot of upside for GM The case for GM isn't quite as much of a slam-dunk as the case for Ford. Ford's North American operation is already robustly healthy, and the Blue Oval's proven management team is taking the same approach to restructuring its European operation, which has problems (and losses) similar to GM's.

GM still has more challenges at home than Ford does, and unlike Ford, its management team doesn't already have one impressive turnaround under its belt. But given GM's still-impressive global scale, the potential upside may be considerably higher. It's not hard to understand why Team Buffett chose to jump in.

It's true that decades of mismanagement of General Motors led to a painful bankruptcy in 2009, but it emerged a leaner, stronger company. GM's turnaround, however, is still a work in progress. Investors around the world are wondering if GM has what it takes to reclaim its former glory. I've put together a brand-new premium research report telling you exactly what you need to know about GM and its turnaround. If you own or are thinking about owning GM, then you don't want to miss this report. Click here now to get started.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: automakers; buffet; buffett; generalmotors; gm; manufacturing

1 posted on 02/16/2013 7:51:16 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Buffet is getting in on buying American.

There is still a whole lot of FReepers ready to sell out America if it means 2 cents more in profits.

Meanwhile China grows, and grows. And grows. Now China is the world’s largest exporter. America is number two now, and falling.

Buffet is ahead of the curve. He sees a fight for national supremacy looming, which we are utterly unprepared for at present.

The sides are changing. I pick America.

So evidently does Buffet.


2 posted on 02/16/2013 7:56:14 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Buffett is used by the administration to establish confidence in unstable markets. He is one of the new American oligarchs; privy to insider information, sweet deals and too big to fail.


3 posted on 02/16/2013 8:01:52 AM PST by caltaxed
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To: caltaxed

GM is probably also worth more in parts than it is as a whole entity. By buying into it, if GM should face another round of bankruptcy, it could be sold off for parts easily enough.


4 posted on 02/16/2013 8:03:25 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

That’s what should’ve happened the first time around.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 8:05:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

This is a payoff, make no mistake that Buffett is in this for the money he can make and has nothing to do with stabilizing anything. He’s another buttboy for der Fuehrer. The two of them mutually benefit and the rest of us pay and or have paid for it through taxes.


6 posted on 02/16/2013 8:09:05 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well, you know if that happened, the unions wouldn’t have gotten their cut. That was a priority with the administration at the time.

Now, tha the unions have maximized their benefits from GM, it can be cut loose and perish.


7 posted on 02/16/2013 8:11:53 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: RJS1950

Not to mention the GM bond holders.
They should pitch tents in Buffet’s front yard in Omaha.


8 posted on 02/16/2013 8:13:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

No mention of the Volt. Maybe it’s destined for Edsel row and that’s why investors are interested again.


9 posted on 02/16/2013 8:13:30 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well, his Omaha front yard doesn’t have a very big yard anymore but it would be good to make the point.


10 posted on 02/16/2013 8:15:25 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Extreme Bovine Excrement.

Buffett is playing a curve. GM is making a profit only because of government propping. At some point the government will cut that support and then union greed will be allowed to finish what it started. I’m sure Buffett will dump his stock at a profit before that happens.

Buying GM isn’t about buying American, it’s about supporting Obama and the union/communists.


11 posted on 02/16/2013 8:20:16 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I remember my professor explaining “The Rational Man Theory Of Investing”. Then, he told us it doesn’t work because people aren’t rational. George Soros made his billions by understanding this. There is no rationality in how people decide to buy cars. I don’t even need to look at the signs at the gas stations to know what the price of gas is doing. I just drive by our local Chevy dealer. If gas prices are going down, the pickups and Suburbans are parked up front. If the price of gas is going up, the little cars come to the front of the lot.


12 posted on 02/16/2013 8:21:40 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RJS1950

No doubt Buffet’s private security would stop the first tent stake from being pounded in...


13 posted on 02/16/2013 8:23:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
GM still has more challenges at home than Ford does, and unlike Ford, its management team doesn't already have one impressive turnaround under its belt. But given GM's still-impressive global scale, the potential upside may be considerably higher. It's not hard to understand why Team Buffett chose to jump in.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

IMHO?

Another slight of hand about to occur to make it look like it has recovered? Something to make it look like a "value" stock that all Seniors are clamoring for since Treasuries ain't paying squat?

My guess? They could be considering paying a dividend.

But how would Warren know that? :-)...

14 posted on 02/16/2013 8:23:49 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

He’s going to force all of the Heinz executive to drive Volts.


15 posted on 02/16/2013 8:25:21 AM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
But GM CEO Dan Akerson has set in motion a major effort to overhaul GM's sick European operation. A new management team is in place, a factory has been closed, another has been sold, a cost-saving joint-venture with French automaker PSA Peugeot Citroen (NASDAQOTH: PEUGY) has been established, and a bunch of new products are coming.

Really? And what are they gonna do about that Mil-Stone called Opel?

16 posted on 02/16/2013 8:27:56 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: caltaxed

I think you are exactly right. WB is savy to a fault, he knows how to cultivate to his advantage, for now he is cultivating nobama. Buffet is always first for Buffet, somewhere next he’s for America. The big question is, is (funny how those two words together generate a grin) he helping the socialists or using them. I suspect he is using them and they being somewhat less asstute think they are using him.

Regardless of WB’s ultimate intent, its still makes me uncomfortable.


17 posted on 02/16/2013 8:28:02 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Well you’ll certainly find plenty to agree with then, on this site.

I am taking a conspicuously minority view here. But I take it from strong personal principle:

We have become part of the problem. We need to be pro-American.

I’ll repeat that. We need to be pro-American.

Not pro-Republican or pro-Democrat. That is the problem now, both sides are anti-American.

Everyone is sold out.

America shrinks, spends more then she has, and is on a fast track to historical irrelevance if we do not turn (dramatically) around and start to support the USA first.

In my opinion that is what Buffett is doing. Ahead of the game. He sees the way we are heading, and is buying American.

I support him 100% in this.

Whatever I may criticize Buffett for (not a lot on this site, but quite a lot for his sell-out to Obama) I am with him 100% for buying American.

We are headed toward a conflict of some sort. China is rapidly growing, keeping all their production to Chinese control. Even the joint ventures, are 51% Chinese and all manufacturing there is done domestically.

The game is rigged. We have largely, allowed that, so now we have to fix that.

That is my own personal opinion. It seems to be a seriously minority view here on FR, but I hold it more strongly by the day.

We must change. Especially the GOP. Now.


18 posted on 02/16/2013 8:29:06 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I hate GM. But I bought it too at 22 and sold it at 25.

They extinguished 100 billion in debt due to bankruptcy.

The US govt. is their partner and will not take aggressive regulatory action against it.

Obama will keep it a float at all costs for his legacy.

It is too big to fail.

It is too politically connected to fail.

It is a really sucky company but it won’t go bankrupt before the US govt. goes bankrupt.


19 posted on 02/16/2013 8:33:47 AM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

I would recommend you buy it back, but I don’t know.

Don’t want the responsibility that comes from a recommendation like that.

However things have simply got to change. In a very big way. As in big.

I will not recommend any financial moves though.

Prepare for change. That I will say.


20 posted on 02/16/2013 8:40:15 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Interesting.

Maybe he figures he will get a cut rate deal from his crony friend Obama from a buyout from the Feds.

GM is destined to fail, though. GM were never required to reorganize their debts and it is pretty much business as usual with the taxpayers picking up the tab both from the stimulus and a waiver on taxes. As soon as the feds cut them loose, they will flounder and fail... again... and be another too big to fail company. Round two?

Maybe Buffett expects the taxpayers to continue to pay the bills at GM. Maybe that is part of the buyout agreement. Or some huge tax kickback.

Remember Buffett is all about everyone else paying their taxes and looking for huge loopholes for himself and his companies.

21 posted on 02/16/2013 8:41:19 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: staytrue

Spot on!

Me too! We bought the same flag waving buy American bu!!sh!t. Only we we were stuck with the POS car after it went over the 12,000 mile warranty.

They exploited American pride and desire to support Americans first to peddle their expensive POS cars.


22 posted on 02/16/2013 8:47:18 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Did GM ever pay back the TARP funds???


23 posted on 02/16/2013 8:48:13 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Warren Buffet - America’s premier crony capitalist.


24 posted on 02/16/2013 8:51:15 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Buffet is cozy with Obama, so he will be informed ahead of time when the gubbermint intends to pump more money into GM for “green jobs” or something.

He doesn’t need to be savvy market-wise. He just needs that insider information.


25 posted on 02/16/2013 8:54:10 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well, they could always picket the streets around the house. Yeah, the Omaha police would finally at some point “spring” into action but that entire section of the Dundee neighborhood could be disrupted for a while. That would bring a lot more attention than just camping on his lawn.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Buying American?

You mean fascist, state-run, union-thug-made American?

There are plenty of “foreign” cars that are made in American factories by American workers and American management with American-made parts.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 9:14:24 AM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Love Motley Fool.


28 posted on 02/16/2013 9:25:23 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

How much do they still owe us?

Seems to be a moving target.


29 posted on 02/16/2013 9:35:48 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Buying GM isn’t about buying American, it’s about supporting Obama and the union/communists.

Well said.

30 posted on 02/16/2013 9:36:49 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Buffett is the nations largest welfare queen. He seems to go after only products that the government has a hand in


31 posted on 02/16/2013 9:47:06 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The herd leader is moving, the herd (money managers) will follow.

Price moves up to where the WON can sell and can say, look the taxpayers made money with GM stock.


32 posted on 02/16/2013 9:50:21 AM PST by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

He has always been a progressive —he was and is mostly likely now head-over-heels in love with Hitlery. He will back her to the max in 2016.

WB has gotten treacherously realistic in his old age, and how he’s perfectly FINE in becoming a rich extension of the Big Brother.

Armand Hammer was to Lenin what WB is to the US power establishment.

WB is a wise, disgusting insect who is now the ultimate Inside Man.

You know what commies really end up succeeding in? In building FASCISM.


33 posted on 02/16/2013 10:08:10 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Buffet knows Barry and his Wall Street insiders will artificially inflate Government Motors stock before it sells its 500,000 shares.

Thus Buffet wins, taxpayers still lose billions.

34 posted on 02/16/2013 10:26:18 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Global Motors is no more “American” than Mercedes or Toyota. They all have factories all over the world, shareholders from all over the world, and sell all over the world. In fact the article makes it pretty clear the profits Buffet expects to see won’t be coming from the domestic market.


35 posted on 02/16/2013 10:44:35 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Jonty30

Romney wanted to place GM into bankruptcy and only back the divisions that were competitive.

GM does some things well, like their trucks, which have excellent quality and probably the best styling on the market. They are competitive with the F150 which is the best selling vehicle in the US.


36 posted on 02/16/2013 10:55:33 AM PST by caltaxed
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To: dhs12345

Maybe Buffett expects the taxpayers to continue to pay the bills at GM. Maybe that is part of the buyout agreement. Or some huge tax kickback.

I work at a company that had been recently acquired by Buffett. B-H poured in a lot of money for capital expansion. Also, the management structure has been changed considerably. This is all long term stuff. Anything Buffett acquires is due to perceived long term earning potential. As far as buying up a company looting it and breaking it up - that doesn’t seem to be his style.


37 posted on 02/16/2013 11:28:12 AM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Uh...no
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo


38 posted on 02/16/2013 2:53:47 PM PST by johnsmom (I must be dreaming 'cause this can't be real)
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To: Jonty30
By buying into it, if GM should face another round of bankruptcy, it could be sold off for parts easily enough.

The fact is GM's never fully repaid the TAXPAYERS of this country for the loans BAILOUTS that were given to Unions when GM's rightful debtholders were F***ED by the Obama Administration.

GM's also facing bankruptcy AGAIN because they've never addressed the core issue of their debt problem: PENSION OBLIGATIONS.

I suspect Buffet knows that GM's going to have to file for bankruptcy protection, get ANOTHER TAXPAYER BAILOUT at which point the Unions will finally have to take their pension haircut, which will then mean that the only one's who'll benefit from another TAXPAYER BAILOUT will be Friends of Barry.

Anyone wanna bet me?

39 posted on 02/16/2013 2:59:56 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: caltaxed
GM does some things well, like their trucks, which have excellent quality and probably the best styling on the market.

You've gotta be kidding. GM makes the UGLIEST TRUCKS on the market, period. That Silverado is nothing but a box on wheels. No "styling" to it whatsoever.

I'll take a Ford F150/F250 over any truck GM produces in a heartbeat. Hell, I'll take a Dodge RAM or a Toyota Tundra over any truck GM produces too.

40 posted on 02/16/2013 3:04:28 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Fred Hayek
Ya. You are probably right.

Will he not make the needed fixes to make the company solvent?

Problems with GM (IMHO):

1. Quality. GM have a serious problem with quality. Drove and will continue to drive customers away. No paying customers, no business.

2. Cost of operation. Apparently this was serious enough to drive the company into bankruptcy... before the government came to the rescue. Also, seems to be a risky investment since the stock holders got screwed at the hands of the Feds last time.

GM seems to be huge sink hole without any serious fixes and reorganization. Unless the Feds are willing to guarantee solvency on the backs of taxpayers.

41 posted on 02/17/2013 9:57:47 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: OrioleFan

They spent the TARP funds on their debt to the Feds and then claimed that they paid the loan back.

Confused?

Simplified: GM used the money from the Fed TARP program to pay back the Fed bailout loan and claimed it good. Lol.

What a scam!


42 posted on 02/17/2013 10:25:06 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Contrary to popular perception, Warren Buffett and Berkshire-Hathaway do not alway buy value and hold it forever. They do that when they can buy out entire companies, but they can and do sell their holdings periodically. Buffett and BH are also, in my own opinion, not at all above riding a PC wave when profitable or even furthering certain political objectives via targeted investments.

One need only look at the once fairly impressive holdings of FNM to get something of a glimpse of their thinking in buying GM. Perception of a government backstop? Yep. Something of a political agenda to support? Yep. Fannie Mae was quite a ride for clued in investors due to several legal and regulatory changes that led to a boom.

But, they sold. It wasn’t a forever holding at all.


43 posted on 02/17/2013 10:37:39 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Look, brother, I’m all for supporting America. Good on ya for supporting it too. But you need to look at things a little closer.

Supporting GM is supporting Obama and his fascist takeover of GM and Chrysler. Supporting Obama and GM is supporting the unions...the reason WHY Obama took over GM & C.

Opposing Obama and Buffett and the unions IS supporting America. I don’t NEED to support America, I AM supporting America. Suggest you join in.


44 posted on 02/17/2013 2:44:59 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

That may be, but there is a limited number of American car plants left, and I say it is time to support American manufacturing.

Period.

Support American jobs. Not German jobs. Not Japanese jobs. Not Korean or Indian or Chinese jobs.

American jobs.


45 posted on 02/17/2013 3:06:22 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: usconservative

Ford has the best trucks on the market, but you see lots Chevy trucks on the road (as well as Toyota and Ford) with over 300K miles on them. If I was considering a Chevy pickup before the bailout, I sure as hell wouldn’t be now.


46 posted on 02/17/2013 3:07:02 PM PST by caltaxed
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I can do both...support American car manufacturing (Ford) and not support Obama. You choose GM and Obama. America loses.

Please turn in your Freeper Card at the front desk as you leave.


47 posted on 02/18/2013 8:35:19 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

No way Jose!

I may not be in lockstep with 100% of Freepers on some things about trade.

In fact I’m pretty sure I am not.

But I’ll be darned if I will walk away from the best darn site on the entire internet.

Bar none.

:D


48 posted on 02/18/2013 8:44:17 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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