Posted on 02/17/2013 8:41:52 PM PST by Kevmo
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I don’t converse in Latin or live in an ancient Roman city.
But going to the science involved:
Cold Fusion ECAT Passes Major Test
Posted on September 9, 2012 by BTE-Dan
www.buildtheenterprise.org/cold-fusion-ecat-passes-major-test
“In their tests they found that 20 grams of material disappeared, meaning it was used up during the generation of energy. They measured 1.78 kW average thermal power output (I took an average of their two methods) from this 20 grams of fuel. The thermal energy production by the device went on for 6.48 hours. So they came up with an energy density of 1.78kW /.020 kg x 6.48 hrs = 578 kWh/kg. (kWh = kilowatt hours like in your electric bill.)”
Science you want, science you got...maybe. The above is a description of tests (much more available at the site) made by experts in the field of nuclear physics, etc. of a device that used the LENR process to produce excess energy over what is put into the system to start and/or sustain it.
Supposedly the device was weighted before and after the operation and that is how it was determined that 20 grams of material had ben consumed in the production of heat, light and possibly small amounts of radiation. 20 grams!
Keep that figure in mind since that’s about 2/3 of an ounce, no small amount of matter to be consumed without smoke or gases being given off.
So how much energy does 20 grams of matter make when converted to heat (mainly), light and some small amount of radiation? E=MC2 and all that?
Well.... .1 gram of matter, if totally converted to energy, would produce the equivalent of 25,000,000 kwh and the experimentors claim 20 times that matter conversion to power output over a 6 to 7 hour period.
And that doesn’t consider the power inputs!
Shall we review...20 grams of the device or its fuel was turned into energy! If true, the entire area should either have disappeared in a flash or melted down per WW2 atomic bombs.
Care to comment on this “science”?
So, they go around eating nano particles of Zinc ~ and, along with that, nano particles of Gold.
Now you can't see those particles, but they are there nontheless, and termites can find them and eat them ~ selectively!
The Zinc, BTW, goes to the jaw where it is deposited in the tissues to strengthen them for the hard job they have ahead of them. The Gold, also BTW, goes through their system and is pushed out through the excretory organs where it falls to the floor of the termite nest!
I have a theory about how you might put that termite characteristic to work harvesting gold nanoparticles ~ but that can wait for later.
Not that you should or should not fear nanoparticles, but that ship left billions of years ago. This planet is just lousy with them.
"Care to comment on this “science”?"
Sure. The obvious explanation is that your ASSUMPTION (and that of the BTE blog) that "20 grams of the device was turned into energy" (which, btw, the actual report does NOT claim) is incorrect. What the report "does" legitimately do is set a lower bound for energy output that is higher than any CHEMICAL process is capable of producing.
The methodologies used are VERY crude from an experimental perspective, so the error bars would be quite large.
Actually far better experiments have been done (in the Pd-D2 area rather than Ni-H) that show quite plainly the correlation of excess heat with mass deficit and He-4 formation. The value realized is quite close to the 24MEV per 2D2 converted to He-4 expected from theory. These figures are arrived at by measuring the He-4 produced and the calorimetric heat excess during operation. And yes, the work HAS been replicated several times.
I ASSUMED nothing except that the absurdity of these claims made by people who should know better would be recognized as such.
At present the lab experiments are interesting curiosities with no save the earth energy revolutions in sight.
Sure you did. You assumed that twenty grams of material was converted to energy by an atomic process. Just as did the BTE blog. You misrepresented the content of the actual report which says no such thing. Why lie about it??
"At present the lab experiments are interesting curiosities with no save the earth energy revolutions in sight."
Standard LENR skeptopath response. NASA, Forbes, and quite a few other knowledgeable parties disagree with you. But you'll continue to obfuscate about the topic, since, in reality, your sole purpose is the stall or stop any positive discussion of LENR, as has been your agenda on every thread since the first one posted.
Vigilante censorship in action. Problem is, that you and the rest of the skeptopaths are unable to keep your stories straight as to whether it is "all about Rossi" or about LENR in general.
Now, now....personal insults are a no-no here. Moreover they end the discussion so perhaps the mods will take notice and give them the chop.
We'll see. Thus far they have never reigned in you skeptopaths for such.
I addressed your supposed science point and showed where you were wrong. Not having the balls to own up to the mistake, you're ducking and running.
Precisely as usual.
Brilliant. This was not a LENR thread.
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That is precisely what I asked for. It was denied by the PTBs.
And now, many months later it strikes me that such a simple caucus in the posting choices could be "VEHEMENCE". And the rules would be that you need to post without engaging classic logical fallacies. Pretty simple, huh? I doubt the anti-science Luddite crowd would go for it.
Quick! Send money to Al Gore so he can continue to fight both global warming and rude criticism of global warming and Al Gore!
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