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Company selling targets with images of Americans to DHS for firearms training
examiner.com ^ | Feb 19, 2013 | BY: RYAN KELLER

Posted on 02/21/2013 10:12:36 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

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1 posted on 02/21/2013 10:12:42 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

They say they removed it from the site, they did not say they would stop selling them to the DHS


2 posted on 02/21/2013 10:14:37 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar

they left out the baby with the gun. Big strong Nazi soldiers used to kill babies...


3 posted on 02/21/2013 10:17:36 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Jet Jaguar; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

4 posted on 02/21/2013 10:17:55 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

bttt


5 posted on 02/21/2013 10:18:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Jet Jaguar

or a pregnant woman confronting a stranger in her home...could be a burglar or it could be a DHS thug...


6 posted on 02/21/2013 10:20:59 PM PST by bigbob
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To: yldstrk

“Big strong Nazi soldiers used to kill babies...”

Your comment brings to mind a different marketing strategy for target sales to the general public.


7 posted on 02/21/2013 10:25:43 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: bigbob


8 posted on 02/21/2013 10:25:49 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: GeronL

De-sensitization training aids. Non compliers must be put down.


9 posted on 02/21/2013 10:25:49 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: null and void

On this last one, extra points for each child.
10 posted on 02/21/2013 10:26:12 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; All
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11 posted on 02/21/2013 10:26:45 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: null and void

What!? No pictures of Poodles or Golden Retrievers?


12 posted on 02/21/2013 10:28:30 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Guess my company’s not hip - I just sell steel targets shaped like steel targets...


13 posted on 02/21/2013 10:34:16 PM PST by JD91
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ok, fair enough. I’ve heard of each of these demographics murdering innocent people before and a cop may need to stop them.

So one question. Where is their target featuring a US Soldier? Where is there target where cops should be ready to shoot at uniformed police officer with “no hesitation”?

This is a real question. Washington DC police had an officer shoot several inside the station. ICE Border Patrol last year had an agent murder his supervisor and shoot others in an office shooting. And how about Major Hassan? And I don’t believe Hassan is the first soldier to shoot colleagues. And how about the Norway nut who had a rampage on the kids camp on the island. He was in a police uniform. Just last week, the diamond heist in Belgium was done by men wearing cop uniforms, in cop cars.

So where’s that cop and soldier “no hesitation” target line? Waiting,,,,


14 posted on 02/21/2013 10:41:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/law-enforcement-target-s-non-traditional-threat-targets#slide=59065641

7 out of the 7 are white. No diversity here!


15 posted on 02/21/2013 10:43:56 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Reminds me of the Simpsons.

When Marge joined the Springfield Police Department she had to go thru one of those shooting ranges where the targets spring up. When she finishes (flawlessly) Chief Wiggins says “you missed the baby, you missed the blind man...”

16 posted on 02/21/2013 10:48:59 PM PST by tommythev (No Dick Dale in the R&R HOF? for shame!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

8802 W 35W Service Rd NE Minneapolis, MN 55449

Who’s the Congresscritter in that district? Better raise a stink!


17 posted on 02/21/2013 10:48:59 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 21twelve
What!? No pictures of Poodles or Golden Retrievers?

DHS prefers to pick up live targets from the pound for that training.

18 posted on 02/21/2013 10:51:44 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Maine Prepper is all over it. The Company apparently took it down
19 posted on 02/21/2013 10:58:02 PM PST by 4mer Liberal
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To: 21twelve

yeah how about che targets? Stalin targets? Hitler targets


20 posted on 02/21/2013 11:00:09 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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21 posted on 02/21/2013 11:01:40 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 21twelve
What!? No pictures of Poodles or Golden Retrievers?

No need.

22 posted on 02/21/2013 11:23:25 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
writes Paul Joseph Watson

Can readers believe anything that drama queen, lunatic writes?

23 posted on 02/21/2013 11:26:26 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Jet Jaguar

desensitization.

our government is gearing up for war against its citizens.


24 posted on 02/21/2013 11:26:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: null and void
Size 23"x35"

Not very lifelike.

25 posted on 02/21/2013 11:37:08 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: yldstrk; DesertRhino

“So where’s that cop and soldier “no hesitation” target line? Waiting,,,,”

Rhino has what I had in mind. Of course targets with little kids is okay by them - but DHS is probably nailing down our GPS coordinates for mentioning that turn-about is fair play.


26 posted on 02/21/2013 11:46:24 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

They’re all white, aren’t they?


27 posted on 02/21/2013 11:49:06 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Jet Jaguar

I’m waiting for the holster-sniffers to stop by and tell us how much LEO’s need these types of targets for training.


28 posted on 02/21/2013 11:50:53 PM PST by NVDave
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To: null and void

Our government is officially certifiable


29 posted on 02/21/2013 11:54:49 PM PST by Nifster
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To: NVDave
tell us how much LEO’s need these types of targets for training.

Didn't Paul Joseph Watson discuss that with you?

30 posted on 02/21/2013 11:54:49 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Nope.


31 posted on 02/21/2013 11:59:00 PM PST by NVDave
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To: 21twelve

Cops use live targets for that training element.


32 posted on 02/22/2013 12:01:14 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Jet Jaguar

I put out an E-lert to my intel loop about this when I heard about it from multiple sources, including WND.

One of my contacts conducted some “research” and concluded that I was perpetrating a hoax and that my warnings are “garbage”.

They wrote:

“I’ve just checked Law Enforcements Targets, Inc., http://www.letargets.com.

They don’t sell that crap. Some wing nut has copied their adds, changed the pictures, titles, and come up with phony order numbers, NMH-1,NMH-2, etc

We’ve got better battles to fight than fake ones the nuts dream up.
I’d bet some Islamists did the work.”

Of course we could expect letargets to come clean on this just like Slick Willy told us the truth about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, right?
You can trust one of DHS’s suppliers; they’re not like the others....

...are they?

IF this is a hoax, then someone went to a lot of trouble to construct it.

Can anyone confirm that these targets have actually been produced and supplied to the jackboots?

WND claims that the DHS has already paid around $2 million for them - that’s a lot of money for targets... especially if they don’t exist!

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/company-selling-targets-of-kids-got-2-million-from-dhs/?cat_orig=us

If this is an elaborate hoax, then I’ll be feeling pretty punked; but if it’s legit and the target co. is lying and trying to cover up (I can’t imagine that, can you?) it would fit the well established pattern woven by the federale’s of their apparent (if not obvious) preparations for an all out civil war against the American civilian population... probably focused on certain ethnic and religious demographic segments of said population, as these “targets” either realistically or facetiously might suggest.

The recent government purchase of billions of rounds of .40 JHP ammo which is prohibited for use in warfare as “barbaric” by the Geneva conventions, IIRC, is just part of that evolving and sinister pattern.

We seem to have a few posters in here who are advancing the “Right wing conspiracy” accusation along with my contact who has summarily dismissed me as a purveyor of “garbage”, while others see this report as legit. Can someone with connections please run a credibility check for us here?


33 posted on 02/22/2013 12:29:27 AM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: NVDave

Quite possibly because he made it up out of whole cloth.


34 posted on 02/22/2013 12:30:01 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: George Varnum
Previous thread.

Is Your Local Police Department Using Pictures of Pregnant Women and Children for Target Practice?

It's kind of funny that they put up an explanation/apology for their "No More Hesitation Targets" if they didn't/don't sell them. It's right there on the page you linked to.

"The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served."

35 posted on 02/22/2013 12:52:48 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I think you are the only person on earth who would defend our “betters” being trained by shooting at photorealistic targets of children as “not very lifelike”.

Can’t say I’m surprised, though.

Aim small, miss small.


36 posted on 02/22/2013 12:55:28 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Quite possibly because he made it up out of whole cloth.

Possible, but quite certain you were first in line to defend them when you thought it might be true.

37 posted on 02/22/2013 12:58:54 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void

He meant that he’s not very lifelike.


38 posted on 02/22/2013 12:59:50 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye; Alaska Wolf

Don’t tell Alaska Wolf, he’ll just tell you it’s normal for an LEO supplier to defend doing something they weren’t doing rather than admit they were punked...


39 posted on 02/22/2013 1:10:34 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void
I think

No, you emote.

shooting at photorealistic targets of children as “not very lifelike”.

All the targets are the same size; 23"x35". All children and adults aren't the same size. Can you provide evidence that these targets referred to by the kook, PJW, have been used or are presently in use by law enforcement agencies?

40 posted on 02/22/2013 1:15:09 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: George Varnum

If the http://www.letargets.com site is legitimate, then they are apologizing for something on their front page...left side.

“We apologize for the offensive nature of our “No More Hesitation” products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.

This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split-second decisions could lead to unnecessary loss of life.

Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom.”


41 posted on 02/22/2013 1:15:33 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: null and void
LOL Okey dokey!

Screen cap of their sale page before they changed it to this.

42 posted on 02/22/2013 1:15:47 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: null and void
you were first in line to defend them

Defend who, Infowar acolyte?

43 posted on 02/22/2013 1:18:24 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: TigersEye; null and void

Need someone to save and post a screenshot of this before it disappears...

An original page for “No More Hesitation” targets still on the Law Enforcement Targets website (found with the Bing search engine) ...

http://www.letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=~010000~010100~010101.2


44 posted on 02/22/2013 2:35:53 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Jet Jaguar

If the targets are “highly unusual,” why is training to deal with them needed?


45 posted on 02/22/2013 2:41:04 AM PST by papertyger
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To: 21twelve
What!? No pictures of Poodles or Golden Retrievers?

No, family pets are the responsibility of your local police department.

46 posted on 02/22/2013 2:42:43 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: DesertRhino
So one question. Where is their target featuring a US Soldier? Where is there target where cops should be ready to shoot at uniformed police officer with “no hesitation”?

Indeed.

47 posted on 02/22/2013 2:43:37 AM PST by papertyger
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To: null and void

Good Lord it looks like FReeperville.


48 posted on 02/22/2013 2:51:35 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: deks
This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers...

The salient point.

49 posted on 02/22/2013 2:58:40 AM PST by papertyger
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