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Company selling targets with images of Americans to DHS for firearms training
examiner.com ^ | Feb 19, 2013 | BY: RYAN KELLER

Posted on 02/21/2013 10:12:36 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

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To: Travis McGee
It's so unfortunate that the house they went to had been unoccupied for months.
It's even more unfortunate that someone turned the whole dwelling into an IED.
Oh, well, better intel next time for the next team I guess.
151 posted on 02/22/2013 11:46:03 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: NVDave
In other words, I think they picked 23x35 because it’s a pretty standard size for LEO training/qualification targets.

If you'll check the target sizes listed at the webpage posted here on FR, you'll note there are also other sized targets for sale that aren't appreciably larger than 23"x35".

152 posted on 02/22/2013 11:50:44 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: meyer

RE your #139; Be careful.

Some years ago I was chatting with a gun store owner in NH who told me that someone had made up some photocopied pictures of the Slickster with a bulls eye on them, which he had laying on the counter as a joke... until a BATFE Agent swaggered in and told him on no uncertain terms to make them go away as it is apparently a federal felony to even possess a depiction of the POTUS which can be construed to be a target, much less get caught shooting at one.

He was talking hard time in Club Fed and loss of gun rights for life.

I don’t know if that applies to other politicians as well, but if you shoot anywhere where a fed or untrusted LEO is even apt to show up or be surveiling you I wouldn’t advise pushing your luck.

They can shoot at pictures of us, but they’d better not catch us shooting at pictures of them.

Some animals are more equal than others, you know.


153 posted on 02/22/2013 11:55:05 AM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Justa
Because they’re for indoor ranges. It’s rather interesting that you wouldn’t know that.

I've never had the opportunity to shoot indoors. I do my shooting outdoors where I do my hunting.

154 posted on 02/22/2013 11:56:00 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: null and void

I don’t need no steenking targets. I was a natural shot from day 1. ;-)


155 posted on 02/22/2013 12:01:37 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Travis McGee

And he was a nutcase.


156 posted on 02/22/2013 12:03:30 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Travis McGee; TADSLOS
Indeed they will. And also put up aerostat balloons with “Gorgon Stare”
hyper-cameras over each city.

What exactly will they be looking for when there are 100+++ guys looking for
their one shot of opportunity then melting back into the background of the city?

157 posted on 02/22/2013 12:09:53 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: George Varnum
You still believe in the media? That is sooo precious!

Pat Caddell called it. Do you believe it yet?

Pat Caddell slams the media: They have become an “enemy of the people” Sept. 29, 2012(video 26:00)

Emotional Pat Caddell on the MSM ignoring Benghazi: “These people have no honor!” Oct. 27, 2012 (video at link 4:06)

The Media are enemies of the people!

158 posted on 02/22/2013 12:14:14 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Old Sarge

If it was a hoax, then why do they have an apology for said ‘hoax’ on the front page of their web site?

This is what you people aren’t quite getting. If this were a hoax, then why are they apologizing for it? If it were a hoax, then someone has gone to pretty great lengths to create a company, a product and a marketing campaign in the furtherance of said hoax. This would be one of the better hoaxes since the Piltdown Man.

The people here on FR who keep thinking it is some hoax are fooling themselves. To quote you:

“... would a professional company, who had just scored a lucrative government contract, allow such glaring adolescent errors...?”

The answer is “yes.” After all, this is the same company that peddles “reactive” target augmentation to make your targets “bleed” and has zombie targets. You want adolescent, there you go. Who, in their right mind in the gun business, peddles some product to make paper targets “bleed?” Where’s the upside in training for the negative PR that brings?

Here’s their PR clip:

“EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTOR of the Pink Mist Tech “Blood Pack”. Pink Mist is a revolutionary new product that instantly turns ANY paper target into a reactive BLEEDING target. Easily identify a good hit with realistic splattering of blood. Perfect for Law Enforcement, Military, as well as enthusiasts who are partial to Zombie and Animal targets. Also works great under a light colored T-Shirt for even more realism”

WTF? Really? I’ve been on dozens and dozens of ranges in my life, and my first reaction is “Who is going to clean that crap up?” My second reaction is “What a freakin’ PR disaster that is!”

And the zombie target crap? Yea, that’s always impressed me. If I could deliver a huge collective pimp-slap to the people that thought that crap up, I’d do it all day long for exercise.


159 posted on 02/22/2013 12:24:50 PM PST by NVDave
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To: yldstrk
you should spend a little time in the lower 48

I spend as little time there as possible. I don't like hot weather, dirty air and water, crowds, cities, traffic, filth, vermin, fleas, ticks and skunks, especially the two-legged variety.

resent being dictated to by people who are seemingly corrupt and have not one shred of common sense.

Additional reasons why I left.

160 posted on 02/22/2013 12:27:33 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: null and void

They’re always surprised
for the same reason that every liberal you talk to
that you point out the inevitability of the policies that they espouse turning into a collectivist tyranny

will respond with “that’s not what we’re trying to do”
and “that won’t happen this time because we’re smarter”.


161 posted on 02/22/2013 12:59:05 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 4mer Liberal
// Maine Prepper is all over it. The Company apparently took it down //

Great video, thanks for the link.

162 posted on 02/22/2013 2:02:37 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: onyx

Right, because they never get trigger happy now anyway...oh wait.


163 posted on 02/22/2013 2:04:17 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Jet Jaguar

164 posted on 02/22/2013 2:10:34 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MarMema

GOOD to see you, MarMema!
God bless and keep you.


165 posted on 02/22/2013 2:27:51 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Jet Jaguar

No Hesitation poster for the upcoming gun grab?

166 posted on 02/22/2013 2:33:45 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: George Varnum

Ah yes. I remember how much flack a certain late late evening TV show host got for his “snipers needed” depiction of W with cross-hairs...


167 posted on 02/22/2013 3:50:46 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: DesertRhino

The cops plan on the soldiers being on their side.


168 posted on 02/22/2013 4:40:31 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: Palio di Siena

They don’t need those. They aren’t an unusual target.


169 posted on 02/22/2013 4:52:16 PM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Speculation that the DHS is preparing for fighting within the United States has abounded for some time. Over the last year, the department has purchased nearly 2 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition of various calibers, enough to fight a 30 year war and shoot every American man, woman and child four times.

Oboma believes he's Lincoln. He believes he's fighting a civil war. He believes America is unjust for some insane reason. He's agitating, and trying to get one side - the gun owning right wing - riled up enough to lash out. Unfortunately so far, all the killers and mass murders have been democrats.

He can't get to where he wants to go, the winner of the war, unless we cooperate and start a war. He must be getting pretty frustrated we're not being "nudged" into the direction he wants us to go. Agitating has always worked for him before.

170 posted on 02/22/2013 4:54:12 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TADSLOS
De-sensitization training aids. Non compliers must be put down.

That immediately popped into my mind too.

171 posted on 02/22/2013 9:36:06 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 4mer Liberal

Thanks for the link!


172 posted on 02/22/2013 9:48:13 PM PST by endthematrix (The Name of the Game is BAILOUT.)
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To: TigersEye
That idea has been around a while,
...which has been known to lead to this,

173 posted on 02/25/2013 8:41:41 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Tainan

Yup.


174 posted on 02/25/2013 8:47:33 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Picture of pregnant woman in nursery pointing gun at viewer.

I contend that the least-bad option in this situation is to retreat. These shoot/don't shoot posters are used in training with the general assumption that the participant has just entered a room to find the scene depicted in the target. It might be a legitimate shoot if her gun were pointed at someone else, but not at the viewer. A pregnant woman in this context represents an armed person acting defensively. Even a challenge to the pregnant women to disarm in such a situation would likely only escalate the situation further if she felt she were defending her children, especially if she were illuminated with a bright light. Officers need to be taught that tactical retreat would be the best option in the situation depicted in this target, not that they should shoot without regard to context.

Although much of modern law enforcement tactical training is aimed at overcoming the instinct to hesitate, the situations in these targets go too far. This particular kind of desensitization training can also cause police casualties in another way. A decent law enforcement office who ends up actually shooting a pregnant woman in her own nursery is likely to end up shooting himself several years later, usually after turning to alcohol or other drugs and destroying his family. I knew several police officers whose lives and whose families' lives have been ruined this way from similar situations. The administration that buys targets like these does a grave disservice to their officers.

175 posted on 02/26/2013 8:55:13 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Jet Jaguar

every single one of these series of targets, every one posted here, is a white person.

this is not coincidental.


176 posted on 03/05/2013 5:15:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Link to current flap re: hoodie wearing (so-called “Trayvon” target)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3007686/posts


177 posted on 04/15/2013 7:10:50 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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