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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) wants one thing before he’ll let the confirmation go foward.
http://www.politico.com ^ | 2/22/13 1:50 PM EST | By KEVIN ROBILLARD

Posted on 02/25/2013 9:31:56 AM PST by ravenwolf

By KEVIN ROBILLARD | 2/22/13 1:50 PM EST

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) wants one thing before he’ll allow the confirmation of John Brennan as CIA Director to go forward; he wants assurances “someone eating at a cafe in Boston or New York” won’t have “a Hellfire missile [come] raining in on them,” he said Friday on Fox News.

The libertarian scion sent a letter to Brennan’s office at the White House Wednesday asking if the administration has the power to order a lethal drone strike on an American citizen within U.S. borders. Until he gets an answer, Paul has pledged to use “every procedural option at my disposal to delay your confirmation and bring added scrutiny to this issue and the Administration’s policies on the use of lethal force.”

“What we’re talking about is not killing someone with a grenade launcher on their shoulder,” he said Friday. “We’re talking about someone eating at a café in Boston, or New York and a Hellfire missile comes raining in on them. There should be an easy answer from the administration on this. They should say, ‘Absolutely no, we will not kill Americans in America without an accusation, a trial and a jury.’”

Paul said the administration had ignored his inquiries so far.

“I’ve asked serious questions, serious constitutional questions,” he said. “I’ve gotten zero response. And that is sort of the way this administration is treating Congress. The Senate has the right to advice and consent and approve nominees. I’ve not got one word of response from the administration on this.”

The week of Brennan’s confirmation hearings, a memo leaked, outlining the Obama administration’s legal justification for killing Americans engaged in terrorism overseas, prompting outcry from civil liberties advocates. Paul wants to ensure the same justification can’t apply to citizens living in the U.S.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/rand-paul-fears-hellfire-missiles-in-us-87951.html#ixzz2Lw5N4e62


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: assassination; drone; drones; predator; restaurantbombings
Is it latter than you think?
1 posted on 02/25/2013 9:32:05 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

No, but it is later than your think...


2 posted on 02/25/2013 9:38:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: ravenwolf

It would not surprise me in the least were the answer to Senator Paul’s question to come in the form of a Hellfire missile zotting him at his local Starbuck’s.


3 posted on 02/25/2013 9:43:48 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: ravenwolf
Paul has pledged to use “every procedural option at my disposal to delay your confirmation and bring added scrutiny to this issue and the Administration’s policies on the use of lethal force.”

Well, it seems that there is at least one guy in DC with cajones.

4 posted on 02/25/2013 10:28:35 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: GoldenPup

Fortunately, Rand Paul will be ignored on this.
I say fortunately because the overall objective is to turn
him into a non-person, and someone NOT to be contended with;
the last thing this Administration wants to do in engage him,
and thereby “empower” him. Doesn’t matter, his star is rising, and he’s becoming one of just a few major renegade voices still housed by the “GOP”. Ignoring him, happily, will backfire, and will IN FACT empower him. Having said that, I think the issue and the scenario as framed by Paul, are extremely unlikely to ever take place, and could easily either be ignored, or scoffed at by Brennan, as absurd and overwrought.


5 posted on 02/25/2013 10:44:44 AM PST by supremedoctrine ("What thou lovest well , remains. The rest is dross"---Ezra pound)
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To: Dead Corpse

No, but it is later than your think...


uh uh a dead corpse? maybe you are right.


6 posted on 02/25/2013 11:17:47 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Rand Paul 2016


7 posted on 02/25/2013 11:21:51 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: ravenwolf
Rand, in the unlikely event of a US drone strike occurring inside the US, it would be under the jurisdiction of the FBI or another domestic agency.

Not sure what the CIA would have to do with it.

Also, this would be a very dramatic and public way to carry out an illegal assassination.

If one were to buy into conspiracy theories, one would have to believe that such an illegal assassination would take the form of Vince Foster showing up in Fort Marcy Park - not a guided missile landing in a restaurant at lunch hour.

That would be the opposite of discreet and easy to explain.

8 posted on 02/25/2013 11:29:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: ravenwolf
I am Right. More Right than most on most things. ;-)

Much better than being "Left".

9 posted on 02/25/2013 12:53:28 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: wideawake
Rand, in the unlikely event of a US drone strike occurring inside the US, it would be under the jurisdiction of the FBI or another domestic agency.

Not sure what the CIA would have to do with it.

What we need to know is who is GIVING THE ORDERS, so they can be dealt with by ambushes, "accidents", food poisoning, IEDs...cut off the head and the snake will die.

10 posted on 02/25/2013 12:56:32 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
What we need to know is who is GIVING THE ORDERS, so they can be dealt with by ambushes, "accidents", food poisoning, IEDs

Who would be doing the ambushing, manufacturing the accidents, doing the poisoning, setting up IEDs in your scenario, exactly?

11 posted on 02/25/2013 1:06:42 PM PST by wideawake
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To: ravenwolf

Hope he sticks to his guns on wanting an answer.


12 posted on 02/25/2013 1:54:36 PM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: wideawake
Who would be doing the ambushing, manufacturing the accidents, doing the poisoning, setting up IEDs in your scenario, exactly?

The same people who would be out hunting Redcoat officers and noncoms if this was 1776.

13 posted on 02/25/2013 3:02:29 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
The same people who would be out hunting Redcoat officers and noncoms if this was 1776.

I see. So you are plotting to kill fellow Americans yourself.

Before there is even a shred of a hint of a whisper of evidence that there would ever be a drone attack by the US government against US citizens on US soil.

Think about how ridiculous that concept is.

14 posted on 02/25/2013 3:37:50 PM PST by wideawake
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To: ravenwolf

He’s the only one who will ask the obvious questions and condemn the obvious abuses.


15 posted on 02/25/2013 4:44:27 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

He’s the only one who will ask the obvious questions and condemn the obvious abuses.


I sure have not heard any one else say any thing about it.


16 posted on 02/25/2013 4:51:04 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: knife6375

Hope he sticks to his guns on wanting an answer.


Right, and if he can get some support from the other republicans it will help.


17 posted on 02/25/2013 4:57:12 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Dead Corpse

I am Right. More Right than most on most things. ;-)

Much better than being “Left”.


You might be more right than i am, but farther to the right, i doubt it.

But we need to realize that the right has been watered down so much that many people would call a right an anarchist.


18 posted on 02/25/2013 5:10:00 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: wideawake

If one were to buy into conspiracy theories, one would have to believe that such an illegal assassination would take the form of Vince Foster showing up in Fort Marcy Park - not a guided missile landing in a restaurant at lunch hour.


I guess i would have to say that if one had to believe in conspiracy stories to believe Foster was murdered then i believe in them.

On the other hand it would be hard to assassinate a large group of people in the same manner, it would have to be more dramatic, say like the massacre at Waco but much safer for the police.


19 posted on 02/25/2013 5:23:20 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
The ATF'/FBI atrocity at Waco did not have the same optics. They were arguing that everyone in the compound was either a dangerous criminal or a hostage. It did not hold water after the fact, but it was a plausible story at first.

This is very different from a Hellfire missile fired from a drone into a Boston cafe at lunch hour. There is no way the public would believe for a second - especially in this age of ubiquitous social media - that everyone in a public thoroughfare happened to be a wanted terrorist.

20 posted on 02/25/2013 5:32:42 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

How about firing one at a moving vehicle during a time of light traffic? How about firing one into a home that sits on an acre or so?

Would you put either of those past Obama?


21 posted on 02/25/2013 5:36:12 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: wideawake

that everyone in a public thoroughfare happened to be a wanted terrorist.


I imagine Paul was just using that as an example, it could be any thing, an other example would be a militia group at a hunting camp or a thousand other circumstances.

And it appears to me that they really don,t have any concern what the public believes.


22 posted on 02/25/2013 9:04:41 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Lurker; ravenwolf
If the President wanted to illegally assassinate someone on American soil - in a crowded cafe, or while driving a vehicle in light traffic, or in their secluded home or in some other locale - why would he use a drone strike?

First, there is a much higher likelihood of multiple witnesses than there would be if there were one or two assassins with small arms. That should be obvious.

Second, an assassination using operatives with small arms could be blamed on many possible sources - home invasion, road rage, botched mugging, etc. A Hellfire missile dropping from the sky can be blamed on only one source - a military aircraft. Talk about leaving unmistakable fingerprints all over a crime scene.

Third, the number of random individuals who would have to be in on this to make it work is staggering - the President, at least one civilian advisor. at least one military officer, a drone operator, air traffic personnel most likely, potentially a dozen or more individuals. For a conventional hit, the chain could be as few as three people.

Paul's scenario is, frankly, loopy.

23 posted on 02/26/2013 11:19:52 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I see. So you are plotting to kill fellow Americans yourself.

Before there is even a shred of a hint of a whisper of evidence that there would ever be a drone attack by the US government against US citizens on US soil.

Think about how ridiculous that concept is.

With this regime? Just as ridiculous as the notion would have been in 1938 Germany that people would be rounded up, enslaved and murdered by the government of a civilized enlightened country.

If they come to disarm me, they cease to be "fellow Americans" and become the focus of the Second Amendment's true purpose.

Had 1930's German citizens made targets of opportunity of the Nazi leadership before they were disarmed, had the Brownshirts known that there was a good chance they would not return alive from a confiscation raid, had the Jews banded together and eliminated those GIVING THE ORDERS, things might have gone very differently in Europe in the 30s and 40s.

24 posted on 02/26/2013 11:30:17 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: GoldenPup
Well, it seems that there is at least one guy in DC with cajones.


25 posted on 02/26/2013 11:36:33 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: wideawake

If the President wanted to illegally assassinate someone on American soil


I am not too sure but if the president has the authority to do it how did the idea of an illegal assassination by the president get involved?

Maybe i goofed but it is my understanding that we are not talking about illegal acts by the administration but legal acts.


26 posted on 02/26/2013 3:09:27 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

If we are talking about drone strikes on US soil, then we are discussing inherently illegal acts.


27 posted on 02/26/2013 3:30:45 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

If we are talking about drone strikes on US soil, then we are discussing inherently illegal acts.


The president himself may be illegal but he can do what ever he wants to do as long as it is not questioned, and that is what Rand Paul is doing.


28 posted on 02/26/2013 4:16:07 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
The president himself may be illegal but he can do what ever he wants to do as long as it is not questioned, and that is what Rand Paul is doing.

The President cannot direct a drone strike inside the United States.

If he ever did that, he would be impeached and convicted by both houses of Congress.

Rand Paul is not questioning a plausible reality.

He might as well try to hold up the treasury appointment by demanding that Jack Lew and the President promise not to transmute base metal into gold.

29 posted on 02/27/2013 6:08:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
If he ever did that, he would be impeached and convicted by both houses of Congress.

No he wouldn't, not anymore. The MSM would praise him to the hilt.

30 posted on 02/27/2013 6:12:26 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
The one issue he seems to get any flak from, any criticism on, from the media or from Democrats is his use of drones and his maintenance of Guantanamo Bay detention.

People need to step back from their blind adulation of the Paul clan and think: "What possible advantage could the President reap from a drone strike in the US as opposed to a much cleaner and quieter conventional assassination? What political gain could possibly outweigh the political cost of such a clumsy and stupid action?"

Why do we use drones in the first place? Because they are a substitute for lethal boots on the ground in places where it is too expensive or politically prohibitive to establish such a ground presence.

The President has boots on the ground on every square inch of US soil if he needs them.

31 posted on 02/27/2013 6:25:08 AM PST by wideawake
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