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Report: High school dropouts cost economy billions
Associated Press ^ | Feb 25, 2013 5:07 PM EST | Philip Elliott

Posted on 02/25/2013 2:35:15 PM PST by Olog-hai

High school dropouts are costing some $1.8 billion in lost tax revenue every year, education advocates said in a report released Monday.

If states were to increase their graduation rates, state and federal lawmakers could be plugging their budgets with workers’ taxes instead of furloughing teachers, closing drivers-license offices and cutting unemployment benefits. While advocates tend to focus on the moral argument that all children deserve a quality education, they could just as easily look at budgets’ bottom lines. …

Lawmakers in state capitols are making tough choices about whether to raise taxes to keep classroom lights on or to sell off state agencies to provide health care to seniors. Federal officials, meanwhile, are looking at some $85 billion in automatic spending cuts that are set to take hold at the end of the week. …

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1 posted on 02/25/2013 2:35:17 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Harvard Law School graduates cost economy trillions.


2 posted on 02/25/2013 2:37:34 PM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Thanks for the corollary.


3 posted on 02/25/2013 2:38:35 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

water down those standards some more!


4 posted on 02/25/2013 2:38:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

I disagree. Even if every American had a college degree, there will always be a lower class. There will always be unemployment, there will always be fast food burger flippers, janitors, Wal-Mart helpers etc. High School dropouts don’t cost the economy anything, they fill the above roles.


5 posted on 02/25/2013 2:38:47 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Olog-hai

Too often employers require education degrees for jobs they didn’t used to, even though base skills haven’t really changed.

This costs the economy billions, because it keeps people out of the workforce for years more than what is really needed.


6 posted on 02/25/2013 2:42:05 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s easy to see how those who don’t graduate cost us serious $$$...but I see no mention made of graduates who can’t read their diplomas.


7 posted on 02/25/2013 2:42:32 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Olog-hai
The real problem happens at 1st grade. Reading must be the first objective. A child should not be pushed into 2nd grade until the core subjects are passed. There is nothing wrong with keeping a child in first grade (or any grade) until the child is able to do the work. It is a complete disservice to keep passing the child along.
Teachers should be graded and the ones who can not teach should be allowed to seek another job where they can succeed.
8 posted on 02/25/2013 2:44:49 PM PST by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: wolfman23601

If the student is just wasting space in a classroom, they’re wasting taxpayer dollars as well. Personally I think the K thru 12 model is an outdated failure.

I dropped out in my junior year, took my GED a few months later and “graduated” nearly a full year before my classmates. I was already running a department in a local factory and hired a couple of my classmates when they graduated.


9 posted on 02/25/2013 2:45:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jonty30
Too often employers require education degrees for jobs they didn’t used to, even though base skills haven’t really changed.

Yup, give me an ambitious teenager who can read, do basic math, and follow directions, and I'll make him an expert at any job I have expertise in. (If he or she has the interest)

I'm a high school dropout and I've learned to set up, maintain, and operate some pretty high tech machinery including robotics.
10 posted on 02/25/2013 2:54:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

They wouldn’t cost us anything if the government wouldn’t give them freebies. If you quit high school, fine...no welfare, no food stamps, no cheap housing, etc. I also think everyone should start off with a certain amount of government money...say 10K and once you go through that, your done for life. If we had started this 40 years ago, we would have zero problems.


11 posted on 02/25/2013 2:56:33 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Olog-hai

How many are illegal aliens?


12 posted on 02/25/2013 2:57:14 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Harvard Law School graduates cost economy trillions.

At least they eventually contibute to society...not like the high school dregs.


13 posted on 02/25/2013 2:57:26 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t see a problem, the Marxist proletariat output of the government schools has never been better.


14 posted on 02/25/2013 2:57:59 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Olog-hai

This is sloppy logic. The low level jobs happen to be populated by high school dropouts, but they are not caused by high school drop outs. Similarly, high school graduates do not for the most part create higher paying jobs that cause more tax revenue, they just happen to get them more often. In this economy, unemployment is high at all levels, and the lower level jobs are being occupied more and more by higher educated people.


15 posted on 02/25/2013 2:59:10 PM PST by jimmygrace
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To: Olog-hai

The gov’t is going broke with the citizen as tax slave model of ruling.


16 posted on 02/25/2013 3:00:18 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: napscoordinator
At least they eventually contribute to society...

Yep, we all need compost.

17 posted on 02/25/2013 3:00:40 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jonty30

Instead of requiring degrees companies used to be able to give $50 aptitude/IQ tests. Then it became legal to sue them for discrimination when favored minorities did not score as high as whites or asians.


18 posted on 02/25/2013 3:01:19 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Olog-hai

Just give out free diplomas. Problem solved.


19 posted on 02/25/2013 3:08:53 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: napscoordinator
They wouldn’t cost us anything if the government wouldn’t give them freebies.

That's a relatively recent development as well. Up until 20 or 30 years ago, most high school dropouts went right to work like I did.
20 posted on 02/25/2013 3:16:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Will anyone look at the real problem:

An underclass culture that celebrates hoodlums and pays more for more bastard babies?

Schools are just the last stop before society is inflicted with these horribly raised kids.


21 posted on 02/25/2013 3:18:04 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Olog-hai

In this day and age, the longer a person stays in the school system, to include the university system, the more worthless he becomes. How many good people were ruined by the Marxist fluff being taught at K-12 and beyond who could otherwise have been decent people if they had simply been taught to read and write? If I were an employer looking to hire, I would consider a Harvard degree to be a detriment, not a plus.


22 posted on 02/25/2013 3:18:20 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Olog-hai

This is utter hooey.

Imagine the typical “Son Of Barry”, a high school dropout, gang member, repeat offender. His value to society is about the -$2,000,000 it will cost to try and incarcerate him for 20 years.

However, send this SOB to Princeton, to sit at the foot of the great Marxist lunatic Cornel West, who will give him a BA for just sitting there, or a Masters degree if he can spout dialectic back at him more or less accurately.

His value to society will have skyrocketed. Hired by the federal Department of Wasteful Spending, he will creatively cost the public purse BILLIONS of dollars, squandered on the most pathetic and aggravating schemes imaginable.

He will never have any real power, but will be like a drunken monkey pounding on a typewriter, with a hundred dollars a character for each character he types, gleefully shoveled into an incinerator.


23 posted on 02/25/2013 3:20:05 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Senator_Blutarski
100%
24 posted on 02/25/2013 3:23:45 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Olog-hai

“Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.”


25 posted on 02/25/2013 3:24:03 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: GeronL

Free Diplomas for everyone! Instant cure for the billions and billions lost.

How pathetic that the collectivists and statists only look at the dollars lost to the treasury by turning out functional illiterates. They don’t see the lives lost. But, with them, it’s never about people...only about their self-aggrandizement and power.


26 posted on 02/25/2013 3:24:18 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Olog-hai

“Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.”


27 posted on 02/25/2013 3:24:19 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yeppers


28 posted on 02/25/2013 3:28:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Teens who are kept in school when they don’t want to be there, cause disruptions in the education of the other students. This is even more crippling to the economy.


29 posted on 02/25/2013 3:29:25 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Paladin2
We are on the same wavelength here, I think.

The education behemoth is bemoaning the fact that some of the youth become "insufficiently productive slaves"?

Can you say "chutzpah", I knew you could.

Most of the people you deride are products of the "Great Society" and it is your job to turn them into productive members of society - at least that is what you claim to be able to do. You then blame the product (victim).

It must be great being a mindless liberal and not burdened with logic.

30 posted on 02/25/2013 3:31:21 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (They say "Right Wing" but they mean "Wrong Wing"!)
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To: Olog-hai

Here is what I think is the AP’s sloppy logic:

“High school dropouts are costing some $1.8 billion in lost tax revenue every year”

— is like saying “people who don’t drive their cars seven days a week are costing the government billions in lost gas tax revenue.

The revenue is what it is. Could it be more? Sure. But the fact that more is not coming in is not “costing” the government anything. Someone should inform the AP that it’s just tough luck for the government that people make decisions — whether to get a diploma, whether to drive. Government does not “deserve” any tax revenue from anyone.

“Lawmakers in state capitols are making tough choices . . . “

The AP doesn’t observe lawmakers very accurately, does it?

” . . about whether to raise taxes to keep classroom lights on or to sell off state agencies to provide health care to seniors.”

False choices. Is there no other way to balance their budgets? Do they not have an option to cut wasteful spending and programs, or downsize? Not according to the AP.

And what is this bull about “sell off state agencies to provide health care to seniors”? Even the master exaggerator, Obama, didn’t go far as to claim that. What “state agencies” are states contemplating sellng off in order to fund health care, AP? And to whom? Or did you just make it all up?

You know, I’m beginning to doubt that the AP has actual facts in front of them before they write scare stories about “what could happen.” I mean, if they did, wouldn’t they include them in the article, by way of illustration, if not by way of proof?

P.S.: AP, although the situation that the states find themselves in has been decades in the making, and has nothing to do with this one “sequesterization” battle, can you by any chance link this story to it anyway, as if it is the root cause of all these woes?

“Federal officials, meanwhile, are looking at some $85 billion in automatic spending cuts that are set to take hold at the end of the week”

Good job, AP! I knew you could!


31 posted on 02/25/2013 3:33:16 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

A few years ago while riding with my wildly over educated brother in law he punctured a tire. He was ready to call a wrecker and a rental service for a car.

He was shocked that I could put the doughnut (I hate those things) on the car and directed him to a garage to fix the tire. He was going to spend an easy $300 but I fixed him up for about $9.

Yup, them edumacated people shore is smart.


32 posted on 02/25/2013 3:35:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Senator_Blutarski
Harvard Law School graduates cost economy trillions.

A Harvard Law Professor must be incalculable.

33 posted on 02/25/2013 3:40:40 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.forbes.com/2010/12/08/millionaire-high-school-dropouts-entrepreneurs-ask-an-expert-10-multimillionaire.html


34 posted on 02/25/2013 3:59:18 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Olog-hai

I find the responses here interesting.

It wasn’t that long ago that a child with an 8th grade education could make it big in the world. It was up to the ‘sexual revolution’ that one person could make enough for a home, car, have a family and still take vacations.

1) Gov’t, specifically taxes, are the #1 cause
2) Whom owned the $$ to start? Govt? That’s the only way it ‘costs’ anything, and is incorrect.
3) What happened to the tech schools? The apprenticeships? Give a child the opportunity to learn something they LOVE, the rest will fall into place.
4) The degrees today aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on...passing students who can’t read = job, but ‘drop-out’ who got their GED 3 years early = ‘bad’?? Would show me that school isn’t worth the $$ being spent.


35 posted on 02/25/2013 4:14:50 PM PST by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: napscoordinator
At least they eventually contibute to society...not like the high school dregs.

Harvard Law School grads contribute *nothing* of value to this nation.Many Harvard Medical School grads do (the ones that don't become abortionists or "cosmetic" surgeons)...but not the law school.

36 posted on 02/25/2013 4:28:25 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: i_robot73
Should the private economy ever be allowed up off the mat again, a booming economy would be looking for kids to train and well remunerate if they were motivated.

The lure of halfway decent introductory pay would motivate many, especially if the gov't disincentives were dropped.

37 posted on 02/25/2013 4:28:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

There’s a lot of holes in this line of thinking, I don’t even know where to start. First of all, some people wouldn’t get a better job even if they had a diploma, for example, your neighborhood stew bum, crackhead, or village idiot. Second, just because you have a bunch of new candidates qualified for jobs does not mean that jobs will magically materialize for them to fill.

Most importantly, the tax revenue is not “lost”; to even use such language is to designate every citizen as a serf to the state, useful only for how much the government can squeeze out of us. Taxes should be designed to cover necessary expenditures of government, and if there is not enough revenue, then you raise taxes, or cut expenditures. You do not bemoan the fact that there aren’t more people, or more productive people to tax, so that you could have more revenue to play around with.


38 posted on 02/25/2013 4:34:54 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Olog-hai

I would imagine that one half of the high school population have an IQ below 100. Some groups are notoriously worse. That should have something to do with a dismal drop out rate.


39 posted on 02/25/2013 4:40:38 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
Instead of requiring degrees companies used to be able to give $50 aptitude/IQ tests. Then it became legal to sue them for discrimination when favored minorities did not score as high as whites or asians.

Check the Supreme Court decision Griggs v. Duke Power and you will find that decision made it illegal to administer IQ tests (discriminated against blacks, you see). This decision led directly to why it seems that everyone now goes to college.

40 posted on 02/25/2013 4:42:32 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Chad N. Freud
"You know, I’m beginning to doubt that the AP has actual facts in front of them before they write scare stories about “what could happen.” "

Some time ago there were peeps called "Reporters", now they are just "story" writers, not report writers.

41 posted on 02/25/2013 4:51:38 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: i_robot73

I think the main purpose of college degrees these days is to produce paychecks for professors who can’t do anything else. I’ve got an uncle who “mentors” students at UofM and gets paid 6 figures for it and he says he wouldn’t hire most of them. However he says he wouldn’t hire most of the full professors either.

Our colleges are top heavy with students who would better serve themselves and society if they were in trade school learning to build and make things with their hands. That would free up our colleges for the students who really do belong in smaller more effective colleges on the cutting edge of science and technology.

As for the “dropouts”, my great grandmother and great grandfather were both 9th grade graduates at best and were better educated than most high school honor students today. My great grandfather went off to fight in WWI and got his introduction to range finding and surveying. When the war was over he came home to Michigan and became a surveyor for roads and power lines in the upper peninsula. When he was done surveying the routes he went back to the start of the line and became a lineman. He spent the rest of his life as an electrician and lineman and even brought the first electricity to our hometown.


42 posted on 02/25/2013 4:52:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Boogieman

At least this article understands that people are the most critical component to economic growth.


43 posted on 02/25/2013 4:59:45 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: cripplecreek

“A few years ago while riding with my wildly over educated brother in law he punctured a tire. He was ready to call a wrecker and a rental service for a car.

He was shocked that I could put the doughnut (I hate those things) on the car and directed him to a garage to fix the tire. He was going to spend an easy $300 but I fixed him up for about $9.

Yup, them edumacated people shore is smart.”

So what you’re saying is that you believe everyone should have exactly as much education as you? Sounds sorta commie.


44 posted on 02/25/2013 5:03:34 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Olog-hai
Har-dee-har-har!!

I don't believe this for one second. The dropouts are probably working minimum-wage jobs somewhere and some may even be in a trade (plumbing, etc.).

BUT....

If they were in school, and therefor not paying taxes(!!!), the educrats would be getting more fed tax dollars for the students, and therein is the meat behind this "report", which is full of baloney!

45 posted on 02/25/2013 5:08:40 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Olog-hai

There was an old guy in the town where I grew up that used to tell about losing $10,000 over night. The price of hogs went up ten cents a pound and he had nary a one was his answer when asked how he lost that much money. Same type thinking. He said this jestingly but these people are serious.


46 posted on 02/25/2013 5:11:15 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: JCBreckenridge
So what you’re saying is that you believe everyone should have exactly as much education as you? Sounds sorta commie.

Unless you can show me where I said that I'm going to say that yours sounds kind of like a liberal style of argument. (Strawman)
47 posted on 02/25/2013 5:12:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

What do you believe is the optimal level of education?


48 posted on 02/25/2013 5:20:31 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I never said there was. Just pointing out that it doesn’t matter how much education you have if you don’t have the basic tools for survival.

BTW he has a PhD in astrophysics and works as a computer programmer. All his degree does these days is gives us interesting things to talk about.

My nephew is a med student but I’ve spent enough time with him that he’s learned a lot of the basic things in life like changing tires, lighting a furnace. Much to the consternation of my liberal sister, he’s learned than not all people with guns are a threat to him.


49 posted on 02/25/2013 5:30:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

“he has a PhD in astrophysics and works as a computer programmer.”

Sounds like he’s brilliant, well educated and a contributing member of society.


50 posted on 02/25/2013 5:36:06 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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