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How to defend yourself and family in your own home. - Or any structure for that matter

Posted on 02/27/2013 9:42:04 AM PST by jongaltsr

Defenders tend to stand behind door openings..... Shoot waist high about 4 plus inches beyond the door frame. Lay in a couple of shots - 4 plus inches and 10 inches.

That will cover and girth of anyone in any stance.

Shooters may be either standing or crouched behind the door opening. This way (4 plus inches) will get the best chance of hitting them.

If you aim higher and they are crouched over you will miss.

If they are either crouched over OR standing you have a MUCH greater chance of hitting them. A shot to the head or a shot to the gut is going to stop them.

Have your children and wife (yes, and even you) laying flat on the floor so that bullets fly over your head.

Also have an escape route planned The second you enter the room. Including jumping through a widow.

To jump through a window you will probably get cut but you can survive. Better yet - insure that your body impacts the glass FLAT that will push most of the glass out of the frame and minimize the cuts your will receive.

A glass cut is better than a bullet in the back or in the head.


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KEYWORDS: defense; freedom; guncontrol; secondamendment; selfdefense; selfprotection; survival

1 posted on 02/27/2013 9:42:07 AM PST by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr

I’d recommend 8” from door opening. You have a double stud (sometimes more for lights, outlets, switches, etc. Your studs are typically 16” apart. If you aim between 8” and 12” you are more likely to find a hollow wall spot.

Of course this assumes worst case scenario in a load bearing wall. I know I’m splitting hairs, but trying to just barely miss the studs is not advisable. Fire 3 between them. Stop, listen, repeat, reload.


2 posted on 02/27/2013 9:47:30 AM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Tenacious 1

Yea, I’d go a full foot from the door frame edge. The normal stance for someone pondering entrance is to bend over toward the door with head extended.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 9:51:53 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: jongaltsr

I was taught to “know your target”. I would not feel comfortable shooting at a wall with a hidden person behind it and not knowing who I was shooting at — a perp who broke into the house or a half naked rape victim who broke in to use my phone.

I realize the perp is far more likely, but I just would not shoot at a target behind cover. I am the defender, not the assailant. He has to come to me. To do that he has to break concealment. He is free to wait behind concealment for the police to arrive after I’ve dialed 911.

I am only shooting when he breaks cover and approaches up the hall.

I think this is terrible advice unless you have seen the perp take cover and know he hasn’t completely fled (if his concealment leads to an exit, even a window he can open and climb through).

I think your advice is terrible. I would never follow it. I understand the mechanics that concealment is not cover and that if desperate, you could shoot right through concealment, but this is terrible advice. If the guy is laying down or has fled, you are sending rounds through your house to the outside.

If you shoot a neighbor kid who came in to your home, even for a bad reason, you aren’t going to feel good about it.


4 posted on 02/27/2013 9:53:29 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: jongaltsr

Great advice for combat.

Horrible advice for home defense.


5 posted on 02/27/2013 9:56:13 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Tenacious 1

maybe get a dog, it might save some issues down the road.

and yeah, never shoot if you cant see what you are shooting at, thats like rule three, after dont look down the barrel to see if the gun is loaded, that kind of rule.


6 posted on 02/27/2013 9:59:55 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: jongaltsr

That will get you arrested if it’s a couple of Jehovah’s Witnesses ... LOL ...


7 posted on 02/27/2013 10:02:18 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t come in your house or even pass your door without a personal invitation. THAT is #1 on their list of NO NO’s.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 10:27:21 AM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Great advice for combat. Horrible advice for home defense.

No kidding, how crazy are people getting?

9 posted on 02/27/2013 10:36:15 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: jongaltsr

I invite them in, then won’t let them leave till I am ready.

“’Come into my parlor’, said the spider to the fly.”

I really like it if it is a hot day and my AC is off.;-D


10 posted on 02/27/2013 10:45:56 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the POTEET THEATRE in OKC! See our murals before they are painted over!)
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To: jongaltsr

The book I read 45 years ago said the best defense was to break apart a pair of scissors and tape one blade to a broom handle.

It was published in 1968 during the anti-gun madness after the death of Bobby Kennedy.


11 posted on 02/27/2013 10:49:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the POTEET THEATRE in OKC! See our murals before they are painted over!)
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To: jongaltsr

how about shooting through the bathroom door? of course it is probably a good idea to make sure your girlfriend is still in bed first...


12 posted on 02/27/2013 11:00:21 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I agree, it would be an awful way to discover a tipsy neighbor who got the wrong house.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 11:04:32 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: jongaltsr

What tactics do you recommend vs fire breathing tanks?


14 posted on 02/27/2013 11:31:15 AM PST by lwd
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To: jongaltsr

1. All firearms are always loaded.

2. Never let the muzzle point at anything you would not mind seeing a hole in.

3. Keep finger off trigger until ready to pull it.

4. Positively identify your target AND what is downfield.

Bladerunner violated number four. He should be charged with 1st degree murder.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 12:02:51 PM PST by CodeJockey
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To: muir_redwoods

breaking into my house at night gets you shot. period. it isn’t a bad assumption that a serious threat is present. busting down a strong door with very good locks isn’t an occurence one takes lightly or thinks ‘oh it must be my mistaken drunk neighbor’.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 12:41:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: CodeJockey

if i beleve its a home invasion i am shooting through walls. otherwise i would not because it gives your position away possibly too early.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 12:43:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I got my first firearm 54 years ago when I was nine. To the best of my knowledge I’ve never pulled the trigger without knowing what I was shooting at. Shooting blindly through a wall at a target unknown is asinine; only a fool does so.


18 posted on 02/27/2013 2:55:53 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Video surveilance systems don’t cost much these days.


19 posted on 02/27/2013 3:04:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: jongaltsr

>> “Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t come in your house or even pass your door without a personal invitation” <<

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You have no idea what you’re talking about.


20 posted on 02/27/2013 3:06:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I know that is their OFFICIAL POLICY. They do try and intimidate weak personalities to allow them in.

If they did that to you and you allowed them to enter, then my point (must) stand.

2nd point - How many reported killing/robberies/rape have been attributed to Jehovah’s Witnesses?


21 posted on 02/27/2013 5:06:15 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: CodeJockey

ALL good rules.
ALL necessary rules.
One rule you did rule out is - Delay due to indecision can lead to your death. You must make quick, decisive decisions.

As most people in such a position find out is that REAL “Bad Guys” back down quickly and retreat as fast as their dead beat feet can move.

However - THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

It is up to you to make a quick (as well as accurate) decision to survive.


22 posted on 02/27/2013 5:15:01 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: lwd
What tactics do you recommend vs fire breathing tanks?

You have two choices.....

1. Take a DEEP breath and then run like hell.

(2)Place your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodby.

23 posted on 02/27/2013 5:19:53 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: camle

Rule #1, #2, #3, etc is not to back yourself into a room where there is no retreat.

If your bathroom has a window or even a door to another room then you could draw a potential intruder into such a room and allow you to exit.


24 posted on 02/27/2013 5:24:48 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The book I read 45 years ago said the best defense was to break apart a pair of scissors and tape one blade to a broom handle.-

Do you have such a device ready and available and placed throughout the house?

If you have to do this while under attack you are as good as dead.

(SECOND)problem - even if you had such a device available and ready, YOU would have to get within 6 feet or less to be effective whereas your opponent can stand back 10, 15, 20 feet or more and PLUG you with ease.

25 posted on 02/27/2013 5:31:39 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I invite them in, then won’t let them leave till I am ready.

“’Come into my parlor’, said the spider to the fly.”

I really like it if it is a hot day and my AC is off.;-D

ABSO FRIGGIN LUTELY. Love the answer. Give them a taste of their own babble.

26 posted on 02/27/2013 5:36:14 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: editor-surveyor

>> “Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t come in your house or even pass your door without a personal invitation” <<

Oh yes they do come to the door without an invite! They do not force themselves in but they DO come to the door.

My first run in was many years ago when I was working a night shift.

About 10 in the morning, when I am sleeping, they knock on the door selling a booklet. I gave them 10 cents to get lost. Big mistake.

A week later they were back, and back again two weeks later till I told them I was not interested.

NOW, when they come into my driveway, I invite them in and won’t let them go till I am ready. It is great fun as they don’t come back! And I never curse or even raise my voice. I simply do the worst thing possible. I open MY bible...

Same for Mormons.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 5:59:53 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the POTEET THEATRE in OKC! See our murals before they are painted over!)
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To: jongaltsr

As I said, you’re in the dark on this.


28 posted on 02/27/2013 6:26:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

>> “I open MY bible...” <<

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Yep, and they always leave confused and frustrated, and send their advisor the next time, and around we go again!


29 posted on 02/27/2013 6:29:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: jongaltsr

Well, I can tell at your house, they certainly won’t go through your door ... they’ll be dead on the other side of the door, with several shots from you in them ... LOL ...


30 posted on 02/28/2013 10:23:53 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: editor-surveyor
As I said, you’re in the dark on this...

That is quite an understatement I'm afraid

AND that is the reason I am researching this subject.

I want to be prepared for such inevitability.

I know something is going to happen in the VERY NEAR FUTURE and I want all the information I can get.

I survived this far in life because I studied and was therefor - prepared.

This next few months (or years) is going to be even more dramatic than anything I have experienced so far in my life AND I would like to be prepared for what is coming.

I may (or may not) have exactly the proper knowledge I need (WE ALL MAY NEED) so I go on logical assumptions and hope for people like yourself to give me feedback that would give me food for thought, which could improve survival odds not only for myself but also for others.

31 posted on 02/28/2013 7:07:31 PM PST by jongaltsr
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