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The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking
New York Times ^

Posted on 03/02/2013 9:42:07 AM PST by mnehring

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To: mnehring

She owns that and it will be used as long as she shows her face.


41 posted on 03/02/2013 11:46:51 AM PST by Domangart
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To: RetiredArmy
Now in Amerika. US Interment Camps for the unruly.

Well, for right now, it's called "sensitivity training" and "community service", but "they're" working on it!!

42 posted on 03/02/2013 11:48:45 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: mnehring
.......The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions, “Germanizing” prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.......

.......The lead editors on the project, Geoffrey Megargee and Martin Dean, estimate that 15 million to 20 million people died or were imprisoned in the sites

It is shocking. As the article says, with the number of camps within Germany, Germans knew enough of what was going on. Claims of ignorance were lies.
43 posted on 03/02/2013 11:53:16 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Germans knew enough of what was going on. Claims of ignorance were lies.


Parents saw neighbors rounded up and had a pretty good idea what was happening. When their kids asked what happened the parents told them “nobody lived there, so don’t talk about it.”

I understand that they were silent in order to protect their kids. I don’t agree or approve of it, but I understand why.


44 posted on 03/02/2013 11:57:20 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: mnehring; EDINVA

You might include a pic of Hillary when you use that meme.


45 posted on 03/02/2013 11:58:59 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: mnehring
Something that's really bothered me for many, many years, is how can the NY Times document and beat their collective editorial chest over the evils of the NAZI holocaust (however it seems they rarely mention any victims other than the Jews, ignoring the other 6 million or so other victims of the NAZIs.

Not to minimize the evils of the NAZI holocaust (especially since I am Jewish, and had relatives who were both victims and survivors of the NAZIs), the NY Times ACTIVELY covered up the systematic starvation of the Ukraine by Stalin and the Soviet Union. They didn't just ignore it... They published glowing stories and support Walter Durante to this day. How the ownership and editorial staff of the times can live with themselves is baffling to me. They're disgusting.

Mark

46 posted on 03/02/2013 12:28:40 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: CrazyIvan

Dear God, YES!

Carved in stone at the National Archives is a Shakespearean line, “What is past is prologue.” We must know without revision suited to contemporary politicians what went before, whether it’s the Holocaust or Benghazi.

Interesting - and pure coincidence, no doubt - the Clintons’ good buddy, Sandy Berger, managed to erase other history by stealing and then destroying docs at the Archive.


47 posted on 03/02/2013 12:40:48 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; Girlene

Not all Germans were silent. There was several underground resistance movements against the Nazis and Hitler. The White Rose and Realm of the Black, Red and Gold were two notable ones. I had a great-great-great uncle who was in the latter. He was caught and sent to Dachau early on and killed by the SS. I think there may have been many people who would have stood up but they saw what the SS did to people like my uncle and shut up for their own survival.

Of course, there is also just the mass hysteria of being caught up in a movement. There was so much anti-Jewish propaganda for decades blaming them for all the woes that Weimar was facing, many silently (or openly) cheered.


48 posted on 03/02/2013 1:38:25 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I know they weren’t all silent. Too many, though, acted like they didn’t have a clue afterward. Not true.

Fascinating information on the German resistance groups. Thanks.


49 posted on 03/02/2013 1:44:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
You might include a pic of Hillary when you use that meme.

Like this one


What difference at this point does it make!!

50 posted on 03/02/2013 2:00:13 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: mnehring

Just visited Auschwitz- Birkenau for the first time a week ago.
Shocking to see up close.


51 posted on 03/02/2013 2:08:13 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: EDINVA
I would have thought FReepers would recognize my mocking of Hillary Clinton.

This Freeper did.
52 posted on 03/02/2013 2:39:42 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Texas Fossil

“The real puzzle to me is how so many Jewish people are socialists.”

Christians grow up believing in Santa Claus.......Jews believe that there is a government that will treat them fairly with “Social Justice.”

When they grow up Christians learn that Santa is not real and serves only for the entertainment of Children and Make belief adults.....

Jews seem to spend their whole lives believing the Socialist claptrap, ignoring real world evidence of Socialists dispensing Social Justice at the barrel end of a gun!

I have a jewish lady friend ( the widow of a close friend) that you could not convince otherwise...she is as liberal as they come....Thank God her children take after their dad (a goy) and are as Conservative as they come.....Go figure......


53 posted on 03/02/2013 7:48:02 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner

Many years ago I struggled trying to understand this from the perspective of the Jews. I read Hannah Arendt’s “The Origins of Totalitarianism”, what a read. It is the complex sentence structure and original language barries that caused it to be difficult. Most challenging read I ever did.

After finishing, I was still not convinced that I understood completely.

Unlike some Jews most Christians understand that there are things that we simply will never understand. That is where faith comes in. Those awakenings that happen after many years of questioning why an event happens are the important subjects. Many times I asked why only to learn years later what the reason was. Part of the plan, his not ours.


54 posted on 03/02/2013 8:19:04 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Her Italian "Dad" took us to a local Nazi concentration camp in Fossoli and it struck me at the time "what in the world is a Nazi concentration camp doing here in this small town in Italy?" Before that, I didn't know the Nazis were exterminating the Jews in Italy, too.

The Germans moved into Italy around 1943, when they realized the Italian Fascists weren't that hot to arrest and imprison Italian Jews. There are two movies that portray the actions of Catholics in Italy to shelter Jews, or help them get out of Italy. One is "The Scarlet and the Black", starring Gregory Peck, about a priest running a rescue operation out of the Vatican. The other is "The Assisi Underground", starring Ben Cross about a Franciscan priest running a rescue operation involving private citizens, and convents and monasteries around Assisi.

55 posted on 03/02/2013 8:47:34 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Thanks for the movie recommendations. I just added them to my list.


56 posted on 03/02/2013 9:31:55 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: mnehring

That’s why I don’t shed a tear over Dresden.


57 posted on 03/02/2013 9:39:33 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: mc5cents

Inappropriate name plate.


58 posted on 03/03/2013 5:36:59 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mnehring; dfwgator

My grandfather was in Germany as part of a Soviet occupation force at the end of WWII.
He said none of the Germans he talked to were Nazis, but all their neighbors were.

It pretty much brings things into perspective.

All of the Germans somehow knew about Holocaust, most of them benefited from looted Jewish&East European treasure and captured Allied slave labor.

Most of them supported Nazi policy until it went all wrong to hit them.

Germans, with the exception of a few really smart people, fapped for a Hitler’s portrait and believed all the propaganda on how he will smash all the “Judeo&Bolschevisten hordes” just before Allies bombed the last ounce of crap out of them.

But as soon as there wasn’t any Hitler around they all turned to a little sheep, fully unaware or actively opposing anything happened in their beloved Reich 1933-1945 (I wonder who has elected Hitler to office if it was all true?).


59 posted on 04/07/2013 10:57:05 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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