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Documents reveal more about KPD switch in weapons (Knoxville Tn)
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | March 3, 2013 | Don Jacobs

Posted on 03/03/2013 5:04:49 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae

When Knoxville Police Chief David Rausch announced in late January that the department would no longer use the .40-caliber Glock pistol that officers have carried since 2002, he didn’t mention any problems with the gun.

Rausch said the replacement gun, a .45-caliber Sig Sauer, had more stopping power than the .40-calibers. Testing among officers also revealed they were more accurate using the Sig Sauer, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at knoxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; glock; guncontrol; knoxville; police; secondamendment; sigsauer; tennessee
City documents, however, indicate other factors were at work — reasons Rausch did not address at that news conference.

A letter from the city to Glock states that triggers were freezing on the guns after they were given to officers and lock pins that hold the 34 parts of the gun together were failing.

1 posted on 03/03/2013 5:05:02 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I’m not pro or con regarding Glocks. Just posting this for FReeper perusal.


2 posted on 03/03/2013 5:06:56 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

bfl


3 posted on 03/03/2013 5:10:32 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

So the weapon allegedly has a high failure-rate, yet no one bothered to inform Glock? LOL


4 posted on 03/03/2013 5:14:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: deoetdoctrinae

my only problem with Glock - is that they rub a blister on the inside of your middle finger - as it rests under the trigger guard - a day of qualification at the range with no shooting gloves on this happens has compared to medal trigger guards found on S&W or 1911’s - the non-composite lowers. Despite this, we carried them in Iraq under DSS and they performed great in that environment. Sounds like recent manufacturing issues...I’m sure the Republicans will get the blame or could be the sequester!


5 posted on 03/03/2013 5:15:59 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
For this to be happening, the Knox PD would have to be firing millions of rounds. There's more to this than folks are telling...
6 posted on 03/03/2013 5:16:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I like the SIG-Sauer better than the Glock and prefer .45 too. Sounds like a “win-win” to me.


7 posted on 03/03/2013 5:21:02 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It does seem like there is something else going on here. One part of the article reads...“In a shipment of what is now called the Next gen Glock, we received 10 weapons that would not fire properly new out of the box,” Rausch wrote.

If that's the case, I would have thought that Glock would have then received a "screaming bloody hell" phone call from KPD, telling them about an incredibly serious issue. As far as I can tell, that didn't happen. But since they are now saying "no more public comments". we may never know.

8 posted on 03/03/2013 5:27:33 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Without commenting on Glocks versus Sigs, what struck me was:
The Police Department is obtaining 225 of Sig Sauer’s .45-caliber P220R pistols, a dozen 1911 Sig Sauer handguns and training for 10 officers as armorers. In exchange, the Police Department is giving $13,500 cash, 630 .40-caliber Glocks, 53 12-gauge shotguns, four .22-caliber rifles, 14 submachine guns, six 37mm launchers, various gun parts and 300,000 rounds of new ammunition.
Quite a trade, 630 Glocks, 14 “submachine guns”, and six grendae launchers,plus cash, to get 225 Sig’s? There’s more to this story . . .


9 posted on 03/03/2013 5:30:59 AM PST by Optimistic
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Note to self. I meant to put the content of post # 1 in italics, as it is a quote from the article.


10 posted on 03/03/2013 5:32:27 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
A letter from the city to Glock states that triggers were freezing on the guns after they were given to officers and lock pins that hold the 34 parts of the gun together were failing.

In a shipment of what is now called the Next gen Glock, we received 10 weapons that would not fire properly new out of the box,” Rausch wrote.

But wait...I thought Glocks were 'PERFECTION"?

11 posted on 03/03/2013 5:34:36 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Optimistic

I think what probably clinched the deal was the inclusion of the four .22 rifles, LOL.


12 posted on 03/03/2013 5:35:15 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
I really do not have a dog in this hung except, in my opinion the Glock may be one of the ugliest guns ever made. But the damn things shoot real well.

Facts as reported: One ( 1 ) POlice dept claims they have a problem and switches to another manufacturer. No other dept has reported this problem. POlice chief does not talk about malfunctions. Since there are very large amounts of money involved here, I would just wonder about kick backs.

13 posted on 03/03/2013 5:36:48 AM PST by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
None of us should be buying Glocks or Sigs as long as they continue to sell firearms to LE agencies located in gun-grabbing states like CA, CT, MA, MD, and NY. Time to put our money where our mouths are. Put up or shut up.

Given the fact that Sig USA has something less than 28% of the law enforcement market share, Sig ought to pull out of the the gun-grabbing states altogether and use that move as a positive selling point to increase market share in the gun friendly states.

With that said, I have spent a lot of time at the range firing both Glocks and Sigs and I'll take the Springfield XD/XDm over both of them any day based upon performance, reliability, maintenance, and cost.

14 posted on 03/03/2013 5:43:33 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Optimistic; deoetdoctrinae
Quite a trade, 630 Glocks, 14 “submachine guns”, and six grendae launchers,plus cash, to get 225 Sig’s? There’s more to this story . . .

Why does a civilian police department NEED 14 machine guns?

The rest of the civilian population doesn’t need semi-automatic rifles so why would a civilian police department NEED fully automatic sub-machine guns?

15 posted on 03/03/2013 5:47:23 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
I have been a factory certified Glock armorer for my agency for nearly 10 years now. To date between the gen. 3 and gen. 4 glocks we have used I can count on one hand the numbers of parts I've had to replace. I have never reported an assembly pin failure in that time. I'm not saying KPD is lying, but I am sorely tempted to call bullshit.

CC

16 posted on 03/03/2013 5:53:49 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: Celtic Conservative

Good info from someone with front line experience. Thanks for the post.


17 posted on 03/03/2013 6:12:20 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Chainmail

Sig is my fav mfg. and I love mine, will take any Sig over any Glock. All mine are both incredibly reliable and incredibly accurate.

That being said, Glock is a good weapon or so many would not be using them.....

Wilson Combat is the only 1911 I’d swap for my Sig......


18 posted on 03/03/2013 6:17:32 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Arlis

Taking one gun over another is no different that if you like blondes or brunetts. Its what suits YOU. I had both glocks and Sigs and both were good weapons. The one tht fit and suited me the best was the one I carried. Simple as that. Never had a problem with any of them.

Note too that the PD went to 45’s versus 40’s. They must not be in the loop with the DHS which is buying all that .40 ammunition for a “just in case we need them” senerio.

Like others, I think there is more to the story.


19 posted on 03/03/2013 6:29:31 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: deoetdoctrinae
Not a problem.

CC

20 posted on 03/03/2013 6:49:19 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: deoetdoctrinae
Not a problem.

CC

21 posted on 03/03/2013 6:49:59 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: deoetdoctrinae
The Police Department is obtaining 225 of Sig Sauer’s .45-caliber P220R pistols, a dozen 1911 Sig Sauer handguns and training for 10 officers as armorers. In exchange, the Police Department is giving $13,500 cash, 630 .40-caliber Glocks, 53 12-gauge shotguns, four .22-caliber rifles, 14 submachine guns, six 37mm launchers, various gun parts and 300,000 rounds of new ammunition.

They had 630 Glocks, and are replacing them with 225 Sigs? Something ain't Kosher.

22 posted on 03/03/2013 7:05:37 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Arlis

If SIG made a 10mm with 15 round magazines, I’d own one of those, too. That said, my near 20 year old Glock mod 20 runs flawlessly, so I have no objections there. Could use more 10mm brass, though.


23 posted on 03/03/2013 7:54:14 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Labyrinthos

“I’ll take the Springfield XD/XDm over both of them any day based upon performance, reliability, maintenance, and cost.”

Amen to that FRiend.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 8:02:36 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Chainmail

I think the Sig is a great gun, but I’m left handed and the controls on the left side of the gun are a bit further aft than most handguns. That makes it more difficult for me.


25 posted on 03/03/2013 8:09:08 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Love my Sig P220 Carry!

I too moved from Glock to Sig.

While I’ve never liked the .40 cal compromise, the .45 cal Glock 36 is nowhere near as accurate as the Sig P220.

Weight, trigger smoothness, manufacturing quality, all mitigate in favor of the Sig accuracy.


26 posted on 03/03/2013 8:17:16 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Tupelo

I would suspect a malfunctioning financial recoil..


27 posted on 03/03/2013 10:19:31 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Pontiac
The rest of the civilian population doesn’t need semi-automatic rifles so why would a civilian police department NEED fully automatic sub-machine guns?

Yea it stinks doesn't it. The NG Armory has theirs under tight lock and key in a vault. In my 55 plus years living in this area the City Of Knoxville has not had reasons to need or use such a weapon in the line of duty. The militarization of civilian Law Enforcement Agencies is getting way out of hand.

The Oak Ridge DOE/DOE plants nearby by is a different matter. Actually with recent security issues there the DOD should be the facilities responding security with active duty armed forces.

28 posted on 03/05/2013 11:31:14 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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