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Ancient Arctic camel a curious conundrum
Foxnews.com ^ | Published March 05, 2013 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/05/2013 3:17:09 PM PST by Beowulf9

OTTAWA – Ancient, mummified camel bones dug from the tundra confirm that the animals now synonymous with the arid sands of Arabia actually developed in subfreezing forests in what is now Canada's High Arctic, a scientist said Tuesday.

About 3.5 million years ago, Strathcona Fiord on Ellesmere Island's west-central coast would have looked more like a northern forest than an Arctic landscape, said paleobotanist Natalia Rybczynski of the Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: arctic; camel; camels; catastrophism; climate; fossil; godsgravesglyphs; higharcticcamels; paleontology; sunkenciv Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: Beowulf9

Camels in Canada? What will they think of next...


2 posted on 03/05/2013 3:21:18 PM PST by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: muffaletaman
The 30 fragments found in the sand and pebbles of the tundra were mummified, not fossilized. So despite their age, the pieces preserved tiny fragments of collagen within them, a common type of protein found in bones. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/03/05/ancient-arctic-camel-curious-conundrum/#ixzz2Mi7Yhw90

Collagen degrades rather quickly. That hints at a younger age than I would expect.

3 posted on 03/05/2013 3:24:20 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: muffaletaman

Migration.


4 posted on 03/05/2013 3:25:42 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Beowulf9

5 posted on 03/05/2013 3:27:19 PM PST by stormer
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To: muffaletaman

I was thinking it was interesting there is fear regarding the climate warming when here is proof it used to be warm in cold areas.


6 posted on 03/05/2013 3:33:14 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: stormer; All

Bacterian camels (two humped, as shown above) still live in very cold, extreme, semi-arctic conditions, in central Asia.


7 posted on 03/05/2013 3:35:14 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Beowulf9

It is a known fact that Siberia went from tropical to sub arctic in a matter of days or even hours.

Look at the planet and you will note that the region you are referring is just opposite the Siberian region where Mammoths froze to death (relatively - instantly.

Take Camels from the tropics and move them instantly into a much cooler climate than they normally habituate and most would die. They were adapted for much warmer climates.

Many would have migrated south and reestablished their species in warmer climate and that is if they immediately wondered in the correct direction to allow for survival.

It was speculated that the earths crust rotated due to glacial imbalance at either (or both) north and south poles. The entire earths crust shifted and Antarctic moved to the S Pole.

There are prehistoric maps that show what is now the Antarctic was located more where central to lower Africa is now. There are trees under the ice and animals that could only have existed in such a climate but are now buried for many centuries (about 10).

ALSO note that about that time the Great Flood occurred which is logical because BOTH North & South poles would have almost immediately melted causing the entire planets ocean to rise.

It would have taken a few centuries for both poles to rebuild glaciers substantial enough to gradually lower the ocean level to where it is now. (More or less).


8 posted on 03/05/2013 3:38:22 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Beowulf9
No. As mentioned, Bactrian camels live in very harsh and cold environments. Dromedaries are much more common and suited for a warmer climate, but desert nights can be very cold. Bactrians and dromedaries are also commonly crossbred and then recrossed depending on what they will be used for.
9 posted on 03/05/2013 3:43:00 PM PST by stormer
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To: jongaltsr

Quick note. The rotation of the earths crust would have affected Siberia more severely than what is now Canada.

Africa and Australia would have become warmer and I understand from scientists that there is strong indication that this is just the case.

We are fortunate that the arrangement of our continents at this point is more balanced and is therefore more likely to remain stable.


10 posted on 03/05/2013 3:45:32 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: muffaletaman
confirm that the animals now synonymous with the arid sands of Arabia actually developed in subfreezing forests

More like victims of a pole shift (Noah's flood?). They lived in a warm climate one minute, and were freeze dried the next.
A pole shift would also explain why they found fresh green grass in the stomachs of woolly mammoths buried in the ice.

11 posted on 03/05/2013 3:48:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: stormer

Even Bactrian camels would find a colder climate that was even more than they could stand. That is why they could more easily migrate out of their situation than the Mammoths didn’t have the more moderate deterioration of their climate.


12 posted on 03/05/2013 3:54:04 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: stormer

Even Bactrian camels would find a colder climate that was even more than they could stand. That is why they could more easily migrate out of their situation than the Mammoths didn’t have the more moderate deterioration of their climate.


13 posted on 03/05/2013 3:54:48 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: stormer

“Bactrians and dromedaries are also commonly crossbred and then recrossed depending on what they will be used for.”

We now have the following models in our lineup of 2013 camels
1 Hump
1.25 Humps
1.5 Humps
1.75 Humps
2 Humps


14 posted on 03/05/2013 3:54:54 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: muffaletaman

poll shift alert


15 posted on 03/05/2013 4:10:19 PM PST by Nifster
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To: muffaletaman; SunkenCiv; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

16 posted on 03/05/2013 4:23:44 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: jongaltsr
There's so much wrong about what you chose to believe I don't even know where to begin...

Siberia didn't go from tropical to subarctic in a matter of days...
Mammoths didn't instantly freeze to death...
Camels evolved to live in a variety of climates; one ones still living in the western hemisphere are adapted to alpine environments...
The earth's crust hasn't rotated due to glacial imbalance (whatever that is)...
There is no such thing as a “prehistoric map”...
And the ever popular Great Flood; really?

17 posted on 03/05/2013 4:32:46 PM PST by stormer
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To: jongaltsr
Actually there's real evidence a comet hit a residual bit of the ice sheet in Canada and returned much of the Northern hemisphere to ice age conditions rapidly ~ this is called the Younger Dryass. The 'great flood' necessarily occurs by about 8000 BC ~ the place is still flooded BTW!

These camels were wandering about in an arctic desert for several million years.

18 posted on 03/05/2013 4:33:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muffaletaman

We raise alpacas. The critters in the picture look more like alpaca faces than camel faces to me. The little one off to the right even loks like he’s wearing a halter. Although I must admit, I’d hesitate to take him into the show ring...


19 posted on 03/05/2013 4:46:20 PM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks Squawk 8888 for the ping (pretty message btw), looks like a multi-list topic, and thanks Beowulf9 for posting it.


20 posted on 03/05/2013 5:49:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Squawk 8888; Beowulf9; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Squawk 8888 for the ping (pretty message btw), looks like a multi-list topic, and thanks Beowulf9 for posting it.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


21 posted on 03/05/2013 5:52:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: muffaletaman

Generations from now, researchers will be uncovering the mummified remains of electric vehicles that also died there.


22 posted on 03/05/2013 7:59:19 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Squawk 8888

I guess the ancient Eskimos may have worried about having a dry hump?


23 posted on 03/06/2013 11:57:07 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: muawiyah; stormer; jongaltsr; SunkenCiv; All

The camels in the article were from 3.5 million years ago, the Younger Dryas occurred around 12,000 years ago. There are apparently flash frozen mammoths caused by that event.

SC time to post the Firestone, et al. book.


24 posted on 03/06/2013 9:32:39 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Good idea, g'!

The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


25 posted on 03/07/2013 3:34:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: stormer

The blind see only what they want to see.


26 posted on 03/09/2013 11:05:22 AM PST by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr

Is that supposed to be some kind of rebuttal?


27 posted on 03/09/2013 11:12:48 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

It is indeed a rebuttal.

Beware accepting stodgy, biased professionals who find a theory they like and then deny any new evidence. They (almost all) keep official definitions and explanations.

New evidence of earth fluctuation has been presented and well documented HOWEVER the majority of said professionals CLING to their old theories.

If you accept the popular theories you are most likely well outside of enlightened and new discoveries just like the majority of humanity.

I understand and accept that you cling to (outdated science) that most people BELIEVE only what they learned early in life and fail to incorporate new evidence which is contradictory.

It make you feel safe but you are still closed minded.


28 posted on 03/10/2013 10:25:39 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr

You apparently don’t understand how science works. And what the heck is “earth fluctuation”? I’d be interested to read some of the “well documented” evidence that discusses this phenomena.


29 posted on 03/10/2013 10:30:09 PM PDT by stormer
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