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To: noinfringers2
“Vattel 217. Children born in the armies of the state.
For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.”

As to defining what is “natural born” - Vattel in 212 is more accurately translated as “indigenous or natives”. There is nothing in the original French that could be accurately translated to “natural born” which was the common term in English law for one born a citizen.

44 posted on 03/06/2013 3:02:44 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
As to defining what is “natural born” - Vattel in 212 is more accurately translated as “indigenous or natives”.

According to what source is this "more accurately translated"?? And second, it's a pointless argument since the Supreme Court unanimoulsy substituted the term "natural-born citizen" to characterize the same birth criteria as 212 - all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.

There is nothing in the original French that could be accurately translated to “natural born” which was the common term in English law for one born a citizen.

In 1781, the founders translated the french term "naturel" as "natural-born" ... Naturel is the same term used by Vattel that you said was more accurately translated the other way. And why did the later editions of Law of Nations change the translation to "natural-born citizen"?? If it was more accurately translated as "indigenous or natives," shouldn't that have been the later translation??

70 posted on 03/06/2013 7:30:21 PM PST by edge919
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