Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Woman Removed from Metrorail Train for Singing (Illegally Sang Christian Hymn)
Local10 ^ | Mar 06 2013 | Terrell Forney

Posted on 03/08/2013 11:28:15 AM PST by nickcarraway

Miami-Dade Transit says county rules prohibit anyone to do so without permit

An 82-year-old woman was forcibly removed from a Miami-Dade Metrorail train for singing during her ride.

Emma Anderson was sitting in a seat on the train and singing a spiritual hymn when a private security guard approached.

Quick Clicks Sun Life bill survives tough fight FOIA request filed about woman removed from Metrorail Cows found roaming golf course 3 Homestead officers to be fired Jungle Island does Harlem Shake The guard, hired by the transit system, first told the woman she was being disruptive.

"I was beating my little beads with the bottle and I was singing a song, and he came up to me and said, 'Ma'am, you're making too much noise,'" Anderson told Local 10's Terrell Forney.

A passenger recorded the exchange on his cell phone. On the video, you can see the security guard grab Anderson's bag. She clings tightly onto her bag and is ultimately pulled from her seat.

"He said, 'You gotta get off this train,'" said Anderson.

The confrontation turned dramatic as the security guard is heard telling Anderson to leave.

"He snatched so hard until I fell. I fell backwards," said Anderson.

Several witnesses said they were shocked by what they saw: an elderly woman knocked to the ground. One of the witnesses demanded the name of the security guard.

"When I look at them snatching my 82-year-old mother up off that Metrorail, it's disgusting to me", said Donald Anderson, Emma's son.

Karla Damian, a spokesperson for Miami-Dade Transit released a statement about the Feb. 20 incident.

"Miami-Dade Transit has a responsibility to all its passengers to provide a safe and comfortable travel experience. The elderly passenger, Ms. Anderson, who was escorted from a Metrorail train, was initially asked by a security guard to refrain from singing loudly and playing an instrument while on the train.

She refused to comply. County rules associated with transit use prohibit anyone from singing, dancing or playing a musical instrument unless a commercial permit is issued by MDT. Further, Ms. Anderson’s singing was causing a disturbance to other passengers and impeding important train announcements from being heard.

We regret that Ms. Anderson had to eventually be escorted out, but regardless of age, all passengers need to abide by the rules associated with using transit."

View: Metrorail Passenger Rules

The Anderson family took Emma to a doctor to be checked out and came home with X-rays, in which they believe prove the incident left the grandmother with possible shoulder and hip fractures.

"They should've had another way of removing her out instead of dragging her off," said Donald Anderson.

The Andersons have filed a police report over the matter and have since hired an attorney.


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Religion
KEYWORDS: freeexercise; freespeech; twc
Video at site.
1 posted on 03/08/2013 11:28:15 AM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Quick Clicks Sun Life bill survives tough fight FOIA request filed about woman removed from Metrorail Cows found roaming golf course 3 Homestead officers to be fired Jungle Island does Harlem Shake The guard, hired by the transit system, first told the woman she was being disruptive.

Is it just me, or is modern journalism hard to interpret?

2 posted on 03/08/2013 11:29:42 AM PST by Disambiguator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“Escorted out”??? The poor woman was dragged out and hit the platform floor.

I hope her son ‘escorts’ her to a lawyer’s office. When will hired security stop thinking they can manhandle people?


3 posted on 03/08/2013 11:31:24 AM PST by radiohead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
The Anderson family took Emma to a doctor to be checked out and came home with X-rays, in which they believe prove the incident left the grandmother with possible shoulder and hip fractures.

Red flag, here. X-rays "prove" "possible" fractures? A poke and "Does this hurt?" identifies "possible" fractures. The point of x-rays is a yes or no.

4 posted on 03/08/2013 11:31:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

You can’t laugh in Nanny Bloomer’s New Yawk and now you can’t sing in Floriduh. What’s this country coming to?


5 posted on 03/08/2013 11:31:53 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“....I was beating my little beads with the bottle ...”

LOL...gotta try that one....


6 posted on 03/08/2013 11:32:21 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
FL CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1, SECTION 3. Religious freedom.—

There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution.
So then, by what right does the transit authority presume to prohibit this?
7 posted on 03/08/2013 11:32:43 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

You are going to get so droned for posting that.


8 posted on 03/08/2013 11:35:00 AM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Disambiguator

Hey, I thought that sentence was above average purple monkey elephant.


9 posted on 03/08/2013 11:36:39 AM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Disambiguator

I’m thinking I might memorize that.

Repeat it over and over again. Aloud.

While riding the MetroRail.


10 posted on 03/08/2013 11:36:51 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

Obviously mass transit rules are in conflict with the free exercise clause of the Constitution.


11 posted on 03/08/2013 11:38:42 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Thank the hippies for this one, they likely had to implement the policy to keep the freak show under control, and this grandma was the unintended consequence.


12 posted on 03/08/2013 11:40:22 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

The rules appear to prohibit singing or playing of an instrument without a permit. No mention of religion that I can see. What if she were singing the Internationale or some rap tune?

Reasonable restriction for those riding on public transportation. As to the manner of her being escorted, that’s another issue worth examining, but the Article 1 claim is bogus.


13 posted on 03/08/2013 11:41:48 AM PST by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

Perhaps the Metrorail officials do not want anyone singing or making excessive noise on the train and that is a good rule as she or anyone else singing on a train would annoy the other passengers.

And her singing of a Christian hymn is not relevant in this case.


14 posted on 03/08/2013 11:43:20 AM PST by OKRA2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

“Obviously mass transit rules are in conflict with the free exercise clause of the Constitution.”

Not at all.


15 posted on 03/08/2013 11:44:26 AM PST by OKRA2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Lady - get to the BACK of the bus - if you want to sing Christmas carols...


16 posted on 03/08/2013 11:45:30 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Free Vulcan
Thank the hippies for this one, they likely had to implement the policy to keep the freak show under control, and this grandma was the unintended consequence.

If grandma was beating beads with a bottle, most likely she was part of the Florida freak show.

17 posted on 03/08/2013 11:46:37 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Singing to myself is a vice of mine. Do it without thinking. Picked up the habit while hiking or walking a couple of miles to work decades ago.

Often it is something like Gospel Ship, or I’ll Fly Away. A lot of old Country...some newer stuff like The Black Keys...Trouble Weighs A Ton.

Had a rude awakening years ago though. It was a warm Fall day, I was working in the yard cleaning up, splitting wood and singing Pour Me Another Tequila Shelia Then Take Off That Red Satin Dress.

I hadn’t noticed a nun and her elderly mother were sitting outside next door.

MRS P6 MADE ME AWARE....VERY AWARE...!


18 posted on 03/08/2013 11:48:31 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

What is sad is that everyone in that car should have stood up and started singing with her... Throw us all off the train - If you can. That would have been a Chik-Fil-A moment.

What passes as American these days leaves much to be desired.


19 posted on 03/08/2013 11:49:10 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

If that had been a group of homies yelling at each other with obscenities (like they so often do), that “security guard” wouldn’t have said or done a thing. She was just an easy target for some cop wannabe.


20 posted on 03/08/2013 11:54:56 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BenLurkin
Well, if she was singing the National Anthem like this, I would have helped throw her off the damn train.
21 posted on 03/08/2013 11:55:01 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Free Vulcan

Thank the hippies for this one, they likely had to implement the policy to keep the freak show under control, and this grandma was the unintended consequenc.

Naa, I don’t think so, bet if some hip hop junkie was singing about stealing cars and killing cops, they would have no problems


22 posted on 03/08/2013 11:55:56 AM PST by munin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

What I saw on the video was an eccentric little old lady singing her song and shaking her “pills.” I’ve experienced a lot worse on mass transit and airplanes. No need to drag her off the train and pull her to the ground.


23 posted on 03/08/2013 11:56:22 AM PST by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Did anyone read any of the comments at this site? Miami appears to be too far gone for much if any redemption. There are actually posters who thought that this was justified. For singing a hymn, a christian hymn??? What is wrong with people? No respect for the elderly anymore.


24 posted on 03/08/2013 11:57:16 AM PST by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Why is it illegal to sing a Christian hymn?


25 posted on 03/08/2013 11:57:36 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freekitty

“Why is it illegal to sing a Christian hymn?”

It would appear that it is against the rules to sing on the train and the theme of the song is irrelevant.


26 posted on 03/08/2013 12:01:05 PM PST by OKRA2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
"Woman Removed from Metrorail Train for Singing (Illegally Sang Christian Hymn)"

She's lucky they didn't tie her to a stake and burn her for being a heretic and blasphemy against the Church of our lord and savior Barry Barrack Hussein Obama Soetoro.

27 posted on 03/08/2013 12:01:12 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“Miami-Dade Transit has a responsibility to all its passengers to provide a safe and comfortable travel experience.”

Oh?

Anyway riding the Metro Dade Transit system is never safe or comfortable!


28 posted on 03/08/2013 12:01:27 PM PST by Rock N Jones
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

As one who actually rides on public transportation, I’m all for zero tolerance on such singing and drum beating and boombox playing and...


29 posted on 03/08/2013 12:04:40 PM PST by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

By the same means they’d stop other excessive noise. The guard told his the cause of his complaint up front and it wasn’t religiously based.


30 posted on 03/08/2013 12:05:30 PM PST by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: HOYA97

“For singing a hymn, a christian hymn??? “

Slippery slope. For making noise. You’d be pissed if you missed your stop when you didn’t hear the announcement because half the train was singing “Amazing Grace” in your ear.


31 posted on 03/08/2013 12:12:04 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

She should have sung this song, and they would never have bothered her:

Allah is great
I bear witness that there is no god except Allah
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Make haste toward prayer
Make haste toward welfare
Allah is great
There is no god but Allah


32 posted on 03/08/2013 12:13:09 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Some old bat disturbing peace and that’s a Constitutional issue? Oh, OK!


33 posted on 03/08/2013 12:16:47 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark
Preamble - Florida Constitution

We, the people of the State of Florida, being grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, in order to secure its benefits, perfect our government, insure domestic tranquility, maintain public order, and guarantee equal civil and political rights to all, do ordain and establish this constitution.

34 posted on 03/08/2013 12:19:59 PM PST by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Disambiguator

It’s a “Mad lib” world.


35 posted on 03/08/2013 12:29:11 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: centurion316

As I posted the State’s Constitution says “There shall be no law [...] penalizing the free exercise thereof” — this law does indeed penalize that exercise [as shown by its application in this instance] and therefore (this case, at least) should be found nullity — granted there could be a better way to phrase the constitutional language (as in NM’s Constitution) with “no law shall abridge [...]”.


36 posted on 03/08/2013 12:36:24 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

Depends upon the meaning of exercise. I may exercise my religious beliefs as I see fit, but I am not entitled to tread on the rights of others when so doing. In this instance, respect of religious practice and belief requires the government to avoid compelling believers to violate their religious principles as they are doing now with Obamacare. But it does not require that government accomodate proselytizing on public property to the annoyance of other members of the public.


37 posted on 03/08/2013 12:50:28 PM PST by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark

Depends upon the meaning of exercise. I may exercise my religious beliefs as I see fit, but I am not entitled to tread on the rights of others when so doing. In this instance, respect of religious practice and belief requires the government to avoid compelling believers to violate their religious principles as they are doing now with Obamacare. But it does not require that government accomodate proselytizing on public property to the annoyance of other members of the public.


38 posted on 03/08/2013 12:52:40 PM PST by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: right way right
It’s a “Mad lib” world.

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad lib world, after all.

;^)

39 posted on 03/08/2013 1:00:44 PM PST by Disambiguator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: PLMerite

I may be pissed but I’m not going to throw/man-handle an elderly lady off the train.


40 posted on 03/08/2013 1:10:28 PM PST by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

‘freedom of speech’ now requires a permit

tough to call something a ‘right’ if you must get permission before exercising it


41 posted on 03/08/2013 1:10:29 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: centurion316
But it does not require that government accomodate proselytizing on public property to the annoyance of other members of the public.

Did Jesus tell the early church to go into the world and make disciples? ~ If that `proselytizing` is prohibited, then is not the government prohibiting the exercise of the religion?

42 posted on 03/08/2013 1:14:52 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: sten

When Dear Leader gets all his high speed train lines installed across the land, we’ll all be REQUIRED to sing his praises in glorious anthems of his greatness.


43 posted on 03/08/2013 1:34:49 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: OneWingedShark
If that `proselytizing` is prohibited, then is not the government prohibiting the exercise of the religion?

No, certainly not. You may not force your particular brand of religion on me, in circumstances where I may not avoid your behavior. The Court has used this principle to ban prayer in schools, in assemblies, etc. I believe that they have gone too far in the case of an opening prayer in a time set aside for such ceremony, but we certainly have a right to proscribe public exhortations that are unsolicited and unwelcome.

Consider this: My wife and I attend the symphony, to hear a program of Vaughan Williams selections. In the middle of Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis, some wacko sitting in the Orchestra section arises and begins to recite the Koran. Am I compelled to listen, or should he be tossed out on his ear? Toss him out.

44 posted on 03/08/2013 1:36:30 PM PST by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Revolting cat!

Time to replace the statue of Rosa Parks with this lady!;-)


45 posted on 03/08/2013 2:19:34 PM PST by Average Al
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: centurion316

Singing is proselytizing?

I remember when my daughter was about 3 and we were in a drug store and she started singing Jesus Loves Me kind of loud. I was telling her to be quiet and a lady came up to me and said “oh, don’t stop her - that is so sweet”. I guess those days are long gone. We’d both probably be arrested now.


46 posted on 03/08/2013 2:44:46 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: HOYA97

“I may be pissed but I’m not going to throw/man-handle an elderly lady off the train.”

And your solution to the situation would have been?


47 posted on 03/08/2013 3:38:18 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: ilovesarah2012

Hopefully not, but if the owner of the drug store doesn’t want any singing, you and your daughter do not have a right to do it as a Constitutional Right.

BTW, many of these restrictions as they apply to public spaces came about during the boom box era and the cacophony of audio assaults that were sent our way. Religious music enjoys no special protection when these restrictions are put in place. On the other hand, you can not single out religious express but allow rap and country music.


48 posted on 03/08/2013 4:46:28 PM PST by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: centurion316

Well, no one complained and the one lady actually liked it, so all was well. And I still hear cars blasting rap with profanity, etc. all the time. I guess I should just blast my Casting Crowns.


49 posted on 03/08/2013 5:24:41 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway; navymom1; Pat4ever; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

50 posted on 03/08/2013 5:30:53 PM PST by narses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson