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Father of all humankind is 340,000 years old
Yahoo! News | The Sideshow ^ | Thu, Mar 7, 2013 | Eric Pfeiffer

Posted on 03/08/2013 7:34:13 PM PST by haffast

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"Science" marches on. John McCain is from Arizona. Lindsey Graham is from SC. Could it be?

The father of all men is 340,000 years old

"Perry did not descend from the genetic Adam. In fact, his Y chromosome was so distinct that his male lineage probably separated from all others about 338,000 years ago."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old.html

1 posted on 03/08/2013 7:34:13 PM PST by haffast
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To: haffast

Didn’t match the oldest human ancestor? Mus be descended from apes and pigs...


2 posted on 03/08/2013 7:37:09 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: haffast
Well we know the oldest female is a million years old so 338,000 don't seem that much..


3 posted on 03/08/2013 7:43:19 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: haffast

Whodda thunk that some guy from South Carolina would prove that men have been around for 340,000 years. It’s a strange world we live in these days.


4 posted on 03/08/2013 7:43:27 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
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To: haffast
The father of all men is 340,000 years old

So before that they were all women?

5 posted on 03/08/2013 7:44:23 PM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: newheart

Or all men.


6 posted on 03/08/2013 7:45:48 PM PST by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: newheart
The father of all men is 340,000 years old
So before that they were all women?

Well, to track Female progenitors,
one would characterize mitochondrial DNA
You don't get that from dear ol' Dad

7 posted on 03/08/2013 7:47:32 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: haffast

“When I was young, we had nothing but pinups of Helen Thomas. And we liked it!”


8 posted on 03/08/2013 7:51:11 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: newheart

That’s funny


9 posted on 03/08/2013 7:55:09 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: null and void
How does this discovery fit with so called Eve the Earth Mother traced through her Mitochondrial DNA?

There seems to be 140,000 years difference. Could this Y-Adam be linked to Neanderthals or as Genesis describes, the Giants of old, men of renown.

10 posted on 03/08/2013 7:55:20 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
“When I was young, we had nothing but pinups of Helen Thomas.

You poor old man, what I had was Gidget


11 posted on 03/08/2013 8:00:18 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: haffast
The father of all men is 340,000 years old

I bet he chased women, smoked cigars and drank whiskey every day of his life too!

12 posted on 03/08/2013 8:02:55 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: haffast
The father of all men is 340,000 years old

And he didn't have a father?

immaculate conception?

13 posted on 03/08/2013 8:04:52 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: higgmeister

I think it has to do with Y chromosome DNA, since that’s what’s passed on from father to son.

Mitochondrial Eve is through the DNA in the Mitochondria.


14 posted on 03/08/2013 8:07:20 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: newheart
The father of all men is 340,000 years old

So before that they were all women?

There were no women back then, silly!

There was just "gay" men back then, except they didn't know they were gay. And, they kept trying and trying and trying to procreate, until one of them children turned out to be different, and we now know that different type of "human" as the female of the species.

See how simple that was?
15 posted on 03/08/2013 8:07:52 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: null and void
Didn’t match the oldest human ancestor? Mus be descended from apes and pigs...

There must me something there in the woodpile.....maybe this thing:

Green Lizard Man of South Carolina

"I looked back and saw something running across the field towards me. It was about 25 yards away and I saw red eyes glowing. I ran into the car and as I locked it, the thing grabbed the door handle. I could see him from the neck down – the three big fingers, long black nails and green rough skin. It was strong and angry. I looked in my mirror and saw a blur of green running. I could see his toes and then he jumped on the roof of my car. I thought I heard a grunt and then I could see his fingers through the front windshield, where they curled around on the roof. I sped up and swerved to shake the creature off."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_Man_of_Scape_Ore_Swamp

16 posted on 03/08/2013 8:10:43 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: TigersEye

“I get no respect I tell ya’’. “You know you’re old when your kids talk about ya right in front of ya’’. “What are we gonna do with Pop, Pop can’t stay here’’ “Mean while Pop’s in the corner drooling’’. No respect I tell ya.’


17 posted on 03/08/2013 8:18:22 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: haffast

I wonder what Mr. Albert Perry looked like?


18 posted on 03/08/2013 8:19:30 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: haffast

The Lizard-Man of Bishopville, South Carolina
http://www.reptoids.com/Vault/Bishopville.htm

19 posted on 03/08/2013 8:19:50 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: jmacusa

I’m sorry but Pop’s gotta go. I’ve been listening to him tell me I’ll never amount to anything for the last 339,940 years and enough is enough! I’ll get a job when I’m ready to.


20 posted on 03/08/2013 8:23:11 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
That's because your eyes were burned up from starring at the sun for entertainment.

This thread is killing me.

21 posted on 03/08/2013 8:24:27 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

That didn’t take long.


22 posted on 03/08/2013 8:26:30 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: right way right
That’s because your eyes were burned up
from starring at the sun for entertainment.

Oddly worded, yet bizarre association

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/starring

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/staring

23 posted on 03/08/2013 8:29:43 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: newheart
So before that they were all women?

Bad reporting.

Every man now living on earth is descended from this individual male who lived 340,000 years ago. Of course he had parents, grandparents,uncles, cousins and lots of other relatives. But the descendants of all of his uncles and brothers have died out by now. (I'm sure in your family tree there are collateral relatives who either died without children or whose children have no descendants living now.) He is the last, not the first, common ancestor of modern humanity.

24 posted on 03/08/2013 8:30:09 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: higgmeister

We only have a minuscule percentage of the puzzle pieces on the table.

There are a lot of pieces between this guy and any of the known founding Eves.

We know roughly where the pieces need to be to put the puzzle together, but we also know there are a lot of blank places on the table, we know the missing pieces are scattered in various boxes in the attic, the basement, next door and that well over half of them got lost in various moves from here to there.

We know it’s a family portrait, we have a vague idea of the background, we don’t know exactly which family members sat for the portrait, and there are enough puzzle pieces in the boxes to make a couple dozen portraits, landscapes, pictures of trains and Parisian cafés.

Other than that, it’s a simple matter of putting the puzzle together...


25 posted on 03/08/2013 8:31:56 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void
We know it’s a family portrait, we have a vague idea of the background, we don’t know exactly which family members sat for the portrait, and there are enough puzzle pieces in the boxes to make a couple dozen portraits, landscapes, pictures of trains and Parisian cafés.

Oh, please.

The pieces are buried in backyards. Random backyards. All over town. And no one thought to mark the locations at the time of burial.

26 posted on 03/08/2013 8:46:18 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

That too.

It still doesn’t explain why there are gaps between the pieces we do have now does it???


27 posted on 03/08/2013 8:56:01 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void

Apparently, science hasn’t learned enough to know they ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.


28 posted on 03/08/2013 9:09:24 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

ROTFL!!!


29 posted on 03/08/2013 9:22:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: HangnJudge

LOL
I guess I could “stair” at the sun instead.
Thanks for the help.


30 posted on 03/08/2013 9:47:16 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: haffast
Wait a minute! There's something wrong here - they've lost a couple of millions of years. We've heard it repeatedly until now - 'man has been on the earth for millions of years'. Now they want to roll it back to only 340K?

They never cease to amaze, these 'scientists.'

Truth is, man has only been on this earth for a little over 4000 years - per a book called the Bible.

31 posted on 03/08/2013 10:06:28 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: higgmeister
Men who have no children or only daughters don't pass on their Y chromosome.
Women who have no children or only sons don't pass their mitochondrial DNA to their grandchildren. (Theirs sons have it but they can't pass it on.)
This man is one who happens to have unbroken lines of male offspring until present time. There must be somebody like that. If you go back in time far enough, there is presumably only one, a great-to-the-n'th-grandfather of all presently living men.
All other Y chromosomes from his contemporaries have been lost.
There can of course be many generations before him.
Similar for women. These "Adam" and "Eve" characters may never have met, could be separated by thousands of years and miles.
This is true for every other chromosome as well, even though they jump between the genders.
Eventually they'll try to estimate an age of an original ancestor for each of them too.

32 posted on 03/08/2013 10:17:20 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: higgmeister
or as Genesis describes, the Giants of old, men of renown.

First thing I thought of when I read this.

33 posted on 03/08/2013 10:26:08 PM PST by Ackackadack
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To: haffast

“Father of all humankind is 340,000 years old”

So who is he, Connor MacLeod? Suppose they mean he lived 340,000 years ago, not that he’s that old?


34 posted on 03/08/2013 10:29:52 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: null and void
"...Other than that, it’s a simple matter of putting the puzzle together...

Is the author suggesting there was an intermediate progenitor—to NOT include Neandertal?

35 posted on 03/09/2013 12:47:46 AM PST by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: oldbrowser

No immaculate conception at all. It just means that the descendants of any other male humans perished without contributing their Y-chromosome to any of the males in today’s world. All present males have inherited the Y-chromosome of this single human male who lived in the distant past. The date is surmised by relationships to surviving DNA and time periods required to accumulate changes in the genes due to natural causes over time.


36 posted on 03/09/2013 1:39:52 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: ClearCase_guy

Aarrg, my eyes.


37 posted on 03/09/2013 2:46:59 AM PST by mark_interrupted
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To: haffast
Good to see the earliest date for humanity being pushed back even further. Previously it was 250K, now 340K.

Just imagine all the civilizations that could have arisen, fallen, and all remains disappeared it that time frame (our current civilization is at best only 6K old, although Hindu literature would put that date back an additional 16K).

If each civilization lasted just 10K and it took an additional 10K for all remains to subsume to Nature, then dividing by 20 we get something like 17 prior civilizations. No need for Aliens to explain the oddities and anomalies found in various places.

38 posted on 03/09/2013 5:36:22 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ron C.
Wait a minute! There's something wrong here - they've lost a couple of millions of years. We've heard it repeatedly until now - 'man has been on the earth for millions of years'. Now they want to roll it back to only 340K?

Humans (but not necessarily Homo sapiens) have been around for millions of years.

What happened here is what another poster said above. The male chromosome is lost whenever a man does not have sons. So, in a small population (as humans were that long ago), it is conceivable that there is only one unbroken line of male ancestry. As the population grows larger, with more males carrying that variant of the Y chromosome, the chances of that specific chromosome surviving are greater; other Y chromosomes have a larger chance of disappearing.

This story is a bit misleading. The ancestor 340K years ago is not the source of Y chromosomes for the entire population. That specific Y variant only exists in one village in Africa. All other men tested have a newer Y chromosome variant from an ancestor who lived around 200K years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if other families with variant Y chromosomes are found as time goes on. We are still a long way from knowing the genome of every single person, or even a statistically relevant number of people.

39 posted on 03/09/2013 5:48:37 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

Or ‘we are still a long way’ from knowing just how little of what we think we know is actually true.


40 posted on 03/09/2013 6:14:33 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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Or ‘we are still a long way’ from knowing just how little of what we think we know is actually true.

I'll be the first one to tell you that we barely know anything, and I'm a scientist.

41 posted on 03/09/2013 6:21:55 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Does so
Is the author suggesting there was an intermediate progenitor—to NOT include Neandertal?

What does it suggest about the history of a wrecked car when the 'car'cass is in Los Angels and in the glove box are gas station receipts from NYC, a later one from Cleveland, and a still later one from Tulsa?

Can you determine with certainty from this that the car passed through Phoenix or Las Vegas or Reno?

42 posted on 03/09/2013 7:35:59 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: haffast

New headline: Missing Link Discovered in South Carolina!


43 posted on 03/09/2013 7:38:25 AM PST by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: TigersEye
There was a thread a couple of days ago about how eating too much bacon causes a 3% chance of premature death.

So this guy might have lived to 350,200 years if he had just cut back on strips of bacon.

44 posted on 03/09/2013 9:53:45 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: haffast; blam; martin_fierro

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks haffast.
After the African-American South Carolina man died, one of his relatives submitted a sample of his DNA to a company called Family Tree DNA for analysis... All previously compared DNA samples pointed to a common Y chromosome traced back to man who lived between 60,000 and 140,000 years ago. But Perry’s DNA sample broke the trend, not matching up with this common ancestor.
It means that the earlier studies suffered from severe constraints of data.

Multiregionalism ping!

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


45 posted on 03/09/2013 10:53:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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The Y chromosome in Perry’s test matched up with those of 11 men who all lived in one village in Cameroon. University of Arizona researcher Michael Hammer says Perry’s DNA suggests there may have been an earlier species of humans that went extinct...
No, it shows, once again, that the reason for apparent greater genetic variability in Africa isn't due to it being the oldest, it shows that populations are genetically narrowed by isolation.


46 posted on 03/09/2013 10:56:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

47 posted on 03/09/2013 10:57:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
“When I was young, we had nothing but pinups of Helen Thomas. And we liked it!”

Hard times for sure.

48 posted on 03/09/2013 11:05:02 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Bingo!


49 posted on 03/09/2013 11:05:51 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: Verginius Rufus
"So this guy might have lived to 350,200 years if he had just cut back on strips of bacon. "

Bacon DNA isn't that old.

50 posted on 03/09/2013 11:07:31 AM PST by blam
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