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1 in 7 WinXP-using biz bods DON'T KNOW Microsoft is pulling the plug
The Register ^ | 11th March 2013 14:34 GMT | Gavin Clarke

Posted on 03/12/2013 2:55:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Survey - Redmond so busy pushing Win 8, some IT directors didn't get the memo

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A large number of Microsoft customers are in for a rude awakening on 8 April 2014.

With less than 400 days to go, 15 per cent of those running Windows XP are still unaware that that’s the date Microsoft finally turns off all support for its legacy PC operating system, according to a recent survey.

After 8 April next year, Microsoft will no longer make bug fixes or security updates for Windows XP, meaning customers will be naked and vulnerable to hackers and viruses and on their own in terms of code updates and fixes. Support for Office 2003 also finishes on the same date, with the same implications.

The findings come from a survey of 250 strategic IT types by application migration specialist Camwood, which polled chief information officers, technology officers and IT directors at organisations that run more than 2,000 PCs.

Fifteen per cent is a decent chunk of the Microsoft customer base. Windows XP is still used on 39 per cent of desktops – just behind Windows 7 on 44 per per cent.

XP was first released in 2001. Since its release, Redmond has pushed out Vista (2006/7), Windows 7 (2009) and its most recent OS, Windows 8 (2012).

Where there is awareness of the end of support, Camwood found 32 per cent of XPers still have not started migrating to newer versions of Windows.

That means this group will almost certainly end up running Windows XP past Microsoft’s April 2014 cut-off, and be in exactly the same predicament in terms of vulnerability to hackers and malware - and of course won't be receiving any code fixes.

Kevin van Heerden, Camwood’s head of software, told The Reg there’s no chance that those who have yet to begin the process will be able to migrate in time. Even a basic migration of just 1,000 PCs would take more than a year, depending on application and data complexity.

“Windows XP is the hackers port of call in terms of trying to get a foot hold and establish botnets,” Van Heerden told The Reg. “They are opening themselves up to risk. It’s like letting your car insurance expire – the car won’t stop working, but you are exposed to a lot of risk.”

The application migration specialist blamed the launch of Windows 8 and Microsoft’s frenetic push for consumer adoption of the new kit for the fact so many customers still don’t know about the end of support. The same was not true for previous versions of Windows, said Van Heerden.

Some customers are confused about whether to go with Windows 8 or Windows 7. This, of course, has implications from the perspective of the PC hardware that they will buy – whether it’s touch-enabled or not – and application migrations. This is adding another layer of decision-taking to the Windows XP migration debate.

“One customer said if you are going to push a new UI on employees, you might as well go all in and go Windows 8 rather than Windows 7,” Van Heerden said.

The software migration specialist says that in other organisations, there has been a grass-roots rejection of anything that takes end users away from their beloved Windows XP. “In a large percentage, they have had staff resistance – a grass roots saying they want to stay on Windows XP because they are familiar with it,” he said.

Van Heerden also said that there had been an absence of leadership from Microsoft on migrations, which he believed was caused by Redmond’s focus on consumers instead of businesses with Windows 8 - adding that the emphasis on product launches during 2012 had diluted messaging.

“There was a lot more buzz around the turn of the century because people were rolling Windows NT 4 and Year 2000 projects together, and there was an immense amount of IT experience. The move to Windows XP was a huge exercise on Microsoft’s part but last year was largest year in Microsoft’s history.

"With new versions of Windows Server 2012, operating system (Windows 8) and mobile, [Window XP migrations] are getting lost in the confusion,” he said. ®


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: hitech; windows8; windowsxp; winxp
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1 posted on 03/12/2013 2:55:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It shoud be illegal for Microsoft to withdraw support.


2 posted on 03/12/2013 3:01:55 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

People clinging that hard to the past don’t really care about current events. It’s gotta be tough to stay on XP, there’s a lot of stuff that dropped support for it, actively rejects it even.


3 posted on 03/12/2013 3:01:57 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I guess it’s time for me to upgrade to Vista.

If I only ran XP in a VM and didn’t use it while online, would I be fairly safe?


4 posted on 03/12/2013 3:03:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The sky is not going to fall. WinXP is sufficiently robust now to be plugged directly into an unfiltered Internet connection. Whoever was likely to click on every link on the screen already got his due and now knows better. There are antivirus packages, lots of them, that do a pretty good job on identifying harmful content.

On top of that, the percentage of WinXP customers will keep dropping as computers that XP runs on are failing, or otherwise removed from circulation. This will be a low interest target for hackers.

On top of that, what are those shops who run XP and are blissfully unaware? Those are car mechanics, pizza places, dry cleaners, and similar small businesses. They are not an interesting target for a hacker anyway, because they contain no c/c data and because they are connected to the Internet via the cheapest and slowest link; this makes them poor candidates for a zombie box.

My prediction is that those XP boxes will remain in use until their date of natural expiration - because the computer fails, or because the user buys a new accounting package that doesn't run on XP anymore. Boxes at homes will also remain in use because there is nothing wrong with XP as it is. As matter of fact, Win7/8 does not buy you anything. Win7 is a bit faster, but it runs on newer hardware too. Many XP boxes cannot be upgraded. Win8 is a poor choice for anyone, unless you are capable of finding and installing 3rd party software that restores usability.

5 posted on 03/12/2013 3:05:14 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I would be happy if Microsoft just released a decent file manager (like XP had, that Windows 7 doesn’t have) that doesn’t jump around when one tries to use it.

That piece of crap in Win7 is a piece of crap.

And dump the ribbon menuing and go back to the XP type menus and buttons.

Newer is NOT always better.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 3:05:44 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ever tried getting hold of MS 'support' ?

It's unlikely to be missed.

7 is better at picking up hardware .. otherwise XP is quite solid.

As with Vista, I'll most likely be skipping 8.

A good NAT router, Malwarebytes, MS Security Essentials, CCleaner, and not clicking on every link thrown in one's path = a happy box.


imho

7 posted on 03/12/2013 3:05:52 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thank you Ernest, I really enjoy your article submissions, If you got a ping list could you add me.

Isn’t Vista being dropped also at the same time as XP?


8 posted on 03/12/2013 3:06:01 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: Sacajaweau

Spoken like a true BIG GOVT socialist dictating what a company should do with its’ products.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 3:08:06 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: newfreep

People bought the program “for life”...


10 posted on 03/12/2013 3:10:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tomkat
Ever tried getting hold of MS 'support' ?

I have been using Windows and other MS products since about 1990.

I think I called their tech support ONE time only -- about 2004 -- because I had a problem with the purchased disk serial number being recognized by Microsoft during the installation.
11 posted on 03/12/2013 3:13:43 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Sacajaweau

And they can use it for life. Doesn’t mean MS should be spending the money to patch it or train techs how to support it. How far back should they go? By the time they finally end support it’ll be a 13 year old OS. Should they still be supporting Win98? 95? 3.11? How about DOS? My company supports 2 versions and 5 years whichever goes longest. Users that don’t want to stay in that grouping are free to keep using the product, but they’re on their own.


12 posted on 03/12/2013 3:14:10 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Sacajaweau
It shoud be illegal for Microsoft to withdraw support.

Funny.

13 posted on 03/12/2013 3:14:49 PM PDT by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: smokingfrog
I guess it’s time for me to upgrade to Vista.

HUSH YO' MOUF!


14 posted on 03/12/2013 3:15:13 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Sacajaweau

Your answer is irrelevant.

The core issue is MSFT chooses what products it supports.

BIG GOVT socialists like you have NO RIGHT to dictate to a company what products it chooses to support.

Clearly, a consumer is free to choose other products.

Now go back to your fellow socialists on DU!


15 posted on 03/12/2013 3:15:17 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: TomGuy
I think I called their tech support ONE time only --

. . . and prolly needed to shave again by the time ya got off hold !     LOL

16 posted on 03/12/2013 3:15:58 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wife just had some auto updates to her Windows 7 machine that has made it almost unuseable. The browser simply refuses to go to some non-controversial websites and refuses to return some pages searched for.

If this continues to get worse, she might actually let me install Linux on her computer too. That would stop all the nonsense. Except for our local ISP who forced us to use Gmail with an alias to the old address. That system sucks too.


17 posted on 03/12/2013 3:16:02 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
My daughter's laptop has W7 and my wife's laptop has W8. I seriously hate and despise W8. That GUI looks like it was designed by and for 8 year-olds. Also, I'm getting tired of having to buy (and learn) a new OS every 5 or 6 years just to run the apps I want to use. I'm tired of MS deliberately NOT making their browser IE and the latest DX available for "older" OS's in a thinly veiled attempt to force you to upgrade.

I will check out the Playstation 4 when it comes out and probably go with that. I can watch BluRay movies, surf the web, use email (gmail) and do documents (Google Docs) along with playing my favorite games, all at a fraction of the cost of a new PC, video card and OS just to run what I want. And let's not forget all the driver update maintenance that goes with it.

I never was a console "fanboy", preferring a PC with it's better graphics and much more in-depth games, but consoles are at a point where they can rival the PC, except for business and personal stuff, which is why my wife has a laptop.

/end-rant.

18 posted on 03/12/2013 3:16:49 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

(1) Windows XP is superior in some ways to Windows 7, for example the XP Windows Explorer does a better job finding stuff on my PC than the Win7 Windows Explorer.

(2) Not all PC’s with XP can handle 7 or 8. Our older Sony VAIO with 1 gig ram was not able to be upgraded to Win7. But it is my business PC. And works fine otherwise. BTW Microsoft Office 97 is more trouble free than Office 2010. Despite a couple installs, when I open Word 2010, it insists on doing a very lengthy ‘activation’ of Office 2010, despite previous activations being successful.
(3) Be honest, Windows 8 sucks for professional-usage desktop PC’s. Win8 is a “One size fits all” OpSys that is annoying and awkward on a desktop PC. As a professional computer programmer, I find Win8 to be as satisfying to use as a toothache. Win8 makes Vista look great. And the saying was “Win7 was Microsoft’s apology for Vista”.

Anyway, Microsoft needs to keep forcing new OpSystems on the user base to keep its revenue stream up. New lamps for old and all that.

(4) WinXP came out in 2001 and it is now 2013...Microsoft has had how many years now to fix bugs and vulnerabilities in XP? One would think XP would be pretty bullet-proof by now. Assuming competence at Microsoft.........

Windows 8?! Barf! Who designed Windows 8? Was genius designers at Apple who wanted to drive users from Windows to Apple? Or did Microsoft hire the handicapped to design Win8? Yuck!


19 posted on 03/12/2013 3:17:03 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A good NAT router, Malwarebytes, MS Security Essentials, CCleaner, and not clicking on every link thrown in one's path = a happy box.

But don't forget to make recovery disks on your old box, before the vendor decides to turn out the lights.

You will likely need them.

20 posted on 03/12/2013 3:17:51 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Moved to Mac long ago.


21 posted on 03/12/2013 3:18:15 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Sacajaweau
People bought the program “for life”...

There is nothing in the EULA stating that MS supports this product for life.

You are free to use it for life, of course.
22 posted on 03/12/2013 3:22:32 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sounds like the security controls are set too high. Try adjusting them down and making other adjustments via the Internet Options selection.

As for searches, that is the search engine and its controls/adjustments. Reset those at the search engine website.


23 posted on 03/12/2013 3:22:45 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m going to buy a copy of XP and get rid of Windows 7, I hate it!!!


24 posted on 03/12/2013 3:24:14 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: discostu

BTW, I have 3 desktops that run Win98, WinXP and Win7 (formerly Win Vista). Win98 continues to be the most robust and trouble-free, though too dated for newer applications. Win7 crashes fairly often on my labtop PC and occasionally on my desktop PC. So far, Win7 has proven to be the least robust, least reliable OpSys I’ve used (and the Win7 Windows Explorer is inferior to the WinXP version...has trouble finding things). XP has been the all-around best OpSys I’ve used.

Win8? Used it the least. Would be great on the iPad or iPod. Sucks on a desktop.

p.s. I’m typing on my laptop...these little flat keys slow my typing speed way down from the larger, more usable desktop keyboards.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 3:26:54 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: OldArmy52

And most virus creators are going after the newer OS programs, not the ancient OS programs. Even Mac and Linus are getting hit more.
26 posted on 03/12/2013 3:27:38 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Texas Fossil; TomGuy
Ditto what TG said.

Also, Firefox is both free and eminently more functional than the execrable IE, imho.

27 posted on 03/12/2013 3:27:55 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Sacajaweau

“It shoud be illegal for Microsoft to withdraw support.”

Why? Should Ford have to continue supporting the Pinto, too?


28 posted on 03/12/2013 3:28:43 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: smokingfrog

“If I only ran XP in a VM and didn’t use it while online, would I be fairly safe?”

If the computer your VM is hosted on is online then your VM is, too.

Sounds weird, but we run Win98 as a VM for a few things we do because there are no extant threats to it anymore. I would not be so comfortable with XP.


29 posted on 03/12/2013 3:31:23 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“After 8 April next year, Microsoft will no longer make bug fixes or security updates for Windows XP, meaning customers will be naked and vulnerable to hackers and viruses and on their own in terms of code updates and fixes.”

Microsoft bug fixes or security updates?

Is that the crap my computer used to download and then immediately afterwards things wouldn’t work correctly until the next download, and almost immediately I’d have some sort of virus problem?

I turned junk off in 2004, and haven’t had a problem since. We used to have 12 XP computers and after I turned Off ALL Microscam’s updates our problems dropped to nothing.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 3:32:17 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: smokingfrog

I recommend Apple, and Parallels, then load your Windows XP under Parallels and filtered thru Apple.


31 posted on 03/12/2013 3:32:20 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: TomGuy
That's too bad, really .. he seems like such a nice little kid !


             

;-)

32 posted on 03/12/2013 3:32:28 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: jeffc

Windows 8 is a dog.

But for newbies who are buying their first PC and have had no experience with 98/XP/7, they will probably have no Win8 complaints as they will lack anything to compare to.

They will be like someone who was raised on nothing but mush. “Oh, boy! Mush again! Yum!”

Not knowing there is anything better.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 3:35:02 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Sacajaweau; newfreep
Spoken like a true BIG GOVT socialist dictating what a company should do with its’ products.

In general, you (newfreep) are right. But Microsoft really is a special case; it has a near-monopoly on computer operating systems. They should not be legally forced to support older systems, but ethically they should do so.

It's almost as if Ford had a monopoly on car and parts production in the USA, and Ford decided not to make spare parts for any car built before 2008.

34 posted on 03/12/2013 3:35:29 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
that’s the date Microsoft finally turns off all support for its legacy PC operating system

Gee whiz. Does this mean I won't be bothered by Automatic Updates anymore? No annoying, "You must restart your computer for recent changes to take effect" pop ups?

Bring it. I think I'll survive.

And isn't it odd that a company has to issue weekly security updates for a product starting on day one all the way until the EOSL date?

35 posted on 03/12/2013 3:38:04 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: dalereed

Good idea.

I was shopping for a new PC but the Make I wanted only comes with Win8. So, I plan to get a custom PC built and have already bought a new copy of XP Professional to be the OpSys.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 3:40:50 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Support for xp embeded will continue for years. I think I heard 8 years. It’s found on tons of pos machines. Had ms dropped support for it it would have forced tons of retailers to replace already out dated pos equipment to remain PCI compliant.


37 posted on 03/12/2013 3:41:27 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Leaning Right

Sorry, but MSFT chooses the products it supports - not some BIG GOVT SOCIALIST.

If you or any socialist have a problem with that, simply choose other competing products.

That’s called free market capitalism - sound familiar?

Have you ever heard of Apple, etc....?

Your Ford example was not appropriate - a car vs software technology - different life cycles.

But bottom line, ONLY MSFT chooses what products it supports.


38 posted on 03/12/2013 3:42:52 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: TomGuy

Yes, I adjusted the security settings. It helped, but no fix.

I hate IE. Have not installed Firefox on her machine. If I mess with the knobs she will fuss. If I leave it alone and it breaks she will have me fix it.

If she simply understood that if I intalled Xubuntu on it, none of that crap would be necessary. It is very stable and fast.

My conclusion is that MS is self inducing frustration to encourage upgrades to newer platforms. That is why that Windows installs seldom last more than about 3 years. Planned obsolescence and induced malfunction. It is the way of the money machine.


39 posted on 03/12/2013 3:43:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: TomGuy

Right!
Nobody seems to virus attack Win98 PC’s.

As WinXP gets less used, fewer virus/trojan designers will target it. Just as with game consoles...who now designs games for the PlayStation 1, or Atari or Nintendo GameCube?


40 posted on 03/12/2013 3:45:32 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: OldArmy52

I find 7 to be pretty solid. My home computer had a lot of issues with Flash, then I uninstalled all things Adobe and it hasn’t crashed again, I rely on Chrome’s internal Flash for stuff. I actually find 7’s explorer to be superior, I really like the navigation bar, I don’t do much finding. 8 has some good stuff, but it’s a different way of thinking that I’m not 100% sold on, interesting ideas. It’s clearly oriented to the non-power user that generally only runs half a dozen apps, give them all a tile and don’t worry about anything else.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 3:47:14 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: TomGuy

Drag Windows Explorer to the TaskBar and pin it. It works great as a stable file manager. I’m using it that way on 5 Win-7 Pro machines.

To get the File Menu back, download Ubit (English) and click on the idiot ribbon Menu, and you have the File Menu back.

http://www.ubitmenu.com/

Worth a try...


42 posted on 03/12/2013 3:48:01 PM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: TomGuy

Disagree on both accounts. MS libraries makes searching your hard drive so vastly superior to XP to be laughable and makes XP archaic in comparison. Ribbon is much easier once you spend sufficient time on it.


43 posted on 03/12/2013 3:50:51 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: carriage_hill

I did that for my Win7 desktop, but the Win7 Windows Explorer could only find Win7 versions of Explorer.exe, not the WinXP version of Explorer.exe. Sigh!


44 posted on 03/12/2013 3:53:15 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Leaning Right; Sacajaweau; newfreep

This is a very interesting issue because, I agree with newfreep philosophically, but in the real world Leaning Right’s comments are worthy of consideration.

And I would say more there could be a national security issue as well.


45 posted on 03/12/2013 3:54:27 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They don’t know because they don’t want to know.

I find customers still using win 98, Win NT and Win 2000. They haven’t upgraded because they don’t want to spend the money.


46 posted on 03/12/2013 3:57:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tomkat

Microsoft support is good if you pay for it.


47 posted on 03/12/2013 3:59:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: aft_lizard

Why do I view the Win8 Windows Explorer.exe to be inferior to the WinXP Windows Explorer?

Simple.

Because at work, we recently changed from WinXP Pro to Win7 Pro. When my desktop was XP, the XP Explorer.exe could find target data (we have huge amounts of data) readily for client requests. Now with Win7’s Explorer.exe, I no longer am able to reliably search and find target data. I know I have it on our server drives but rarely have successful search results any more.

But then what do I know? I’m just a professional programmer who has to deal with very large amounts of data. Unlike a casual home user.


48 posted on 03/12/2013 4:01:20 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: jeffc

Yeah imagine having to learn something new every 5 or 6 years. How terrible.


49 posted on 03/12/2013 4:01:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: carriage_hill
Drag Windows Explorer to the TaskBar and pin it

What I hate with Win7 File Explorer is that I try to look at a file, so I find the directory in the file tree window. Zap, it jumps back to the top of the tree. I click on the desired directory again. And it jumps again.

That is bad enough, but it really creates problems when I try to copy files from one directory to another. I highlight the file and point to what I think is the correct new directory in the tree window, and it jumps before the copying starts. Then, I have to search the drive to find out where it actually copied the file. Many times, the copied file ends up somewhere other than were it should have been copied to.

XP File Explorer never had that kind of problem.
50 posted on 03/12/2013 4:01:44 PM PDT by TomGuy
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