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WWII in color: Rare photos from 1942 show Flying Fortress
MailOnLine ^ | 03/19/13 | Snejana Farberov

Posted on 03/19/2013 5:44:56 PM PDT by Doogle

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To: Chode

my old base in the background...*smiles*


101 posted on 03/20/2013 3:33:56 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: andy58-in-nh

here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6c3v9iihgw&list=FLopSmq3DBSSU3Q6YI3uljKw&index=33


102 posted on 03/20/2013 3:40:49 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle
NKP??? or Ubon?
103 posted on 03/20/2013 3:43:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Ubon...but knew folks from Nakhon Phanom


104 posted on 03/20/2013 3:45:14 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

Thanks, man. My dad really would have loved to see that.


105 posted on 03/20/2013 4:12:55 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: Doogle

There were beautiful airplanes from at least as far back as WWI. For some reason, military planes tend to be more aesthetically pleasing than civilian ones.

Everything from the Spad to the F-22 are great looking planes but to me, WWII was the Golden age. I think form must follow function as the better performing aircraft tend to also be the prettiest ones.

It is hard to believe how many different aircraft designs came out in WWII. The number must be in the hundreds. Now an aircraft is developed over decades or at least many years.


106 posted on 03/20/2013 4:33:45 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Doogle

BTTT


107 posted on 03/21/2013 3:08:40 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: yarddog

I told this story before...

Several years ago a friend of mine amused me by accompanying me to a local airshow she had absolutely no interest in. *smiles*. After a few hours of walking around I said let’s go sit somewhere...rest. (I was making my way down to where the 51’s were) I saw them preparing for their part of the show.
They were off within minutes, but went way out to make a sweeping turn (which told me they were going to be making a hot pass)...I told her to check out the people moving closer to the flight line (by the hundreds) and she asked whats up? I told her it was one of the reasons I wanted to come....she gave me that Charlie Brown wrinkled lip look...(that watevaa look)...then I saw all the people looking our way and pointing, I knew they were coming from behind us *smiles*....well they came by haulin with that glorious sound...and all she could say was WOW....WOW.....WOW....
...I smiled and said pretty good for a 60 year old plane huh?...she went WOW with a big smile...instant fan.


108 posted on 03/21/2013 4:18:45 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

I was at the Tulsa air show around 1986 or 87. There were a bunch of Air Force planes on static display with their pilots and crew with them. I guess they were answering questions etc.

We had gotten a bit tired and found a place sort of out-of-the way and sat down on some concrete. We were within about 20 feet of a hot dog stand.

The first interesting thing was that several of the Thunderbird pilots in their flight suits drove up (in Thunderbird cars) and bought hot dogs. I was surprised they would eat hot dogs just before performing.

The other thing which caught my attention was when a couple of P-51s performed, all the air crew quit answering questions etc. and got on top of their planes. That was the one thing which they really wanted to see.


109 posted on 03/21/2013 4:31:33 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Yup, the P-38. The plane the Japanese called ‘’two planes, one pilot’’.
110 posted on 03/25/2013 2:10:06 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Windflier

“When I saw those P-51s over Berlin I knew the jig was up.’’— Hermann Goering, 1944. The single best, most lethal , piston-engine fighter plane of WW2, if not of all time.


111 posted on 03/25/2013 2:18:34 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
“When I saw those P-51s over Berlin I knew the jig was up.’’— Hermann Goering, 1944. The single best, most lethal , piston-engine fighter plane of WW2, if not of all time.

You betcha...


112 posted on 03/25/2013 2:32:59 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jmacusa
“When I saw those P-51s over Berlin I knew the jig was up.’’— Hermann Goering, 1944. The single best, most lethal , piston-engine fighter plane of WW2, if not of all time.

You do realize that statements like this have, on other discussion boards, led to arguments that run into the hundreds of pages ... right?

;-)

But, not wanting to contribute to that sort of thing, I'm not going to bring up the F4U-4 Corsair (which made it into combat near the end of the war). Nor the F8F Bearcat and Hawker Sea Fury (which just barely missed combat service ... but saw it elsewhere, like in Korea)
113 posted on 03/25/2013 3:17:33 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: andy58-in-nh

http://ia701207.us.archive.org/26/items/WinstonS.ChurchillsWarSpeeches/Churchill400820SoMuchTooSoFew.mp3


114 posted on 03/25/2013 3:47:36 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: JoeProBono

http://archive.org/details/MemphisBelle


115 posted on 03/25/2013 3:48:14 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: tanknetter

As good as the Corsair was and it was(”Whispering Death’’, the Japs called it) because of that four-bladed prop, large nose and high landing gear it was a bitch to fly on and off carriers. The P-51 also saw service in Korea.


116 posted on 03/25/2013 11:51:17 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Windflier
Beautiful!! Where are these from? I know there are a few still-flying B-17s and lots of P-51s but I've never seen these. Last year out here in Wall Township NJ there was a B-17, olive-drab color scheme on display at Allaire Airport. ($400 for a half-hour flight, little too steep for me.) It was beautiful. Took a tour actually, a ‘’crawl’’ through it for a $5.00 donation. I couldn't believe for such a large aircraft just how cramped it was inside! There wasn't any space or postion inside where you could stand upright and I'm only 5 ft. 8. Only standing in the top turret-gunners position was I able to just barely stand somewhat upright but not for long as it was very cramped. And those guys, little more than teenagers had to be in there in a heavy, fleece-lined leather flying suit, boots and parachute for 8 to ten hours in sub-zero cold, breathing oxygen through a rudimentary system fighting for their lives at times. It's no wonder when those things were hit and going down a lot of those poor guys couldn't make it out. MY God, what they went through. God bless them all.
117 posted on 03/25/2013 12:31:17 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
Beautiful!! Where are these from?

I found the image on a Bing search, but the source page is here:

http://www.free-hdwallpapers.com/aircraft.html

118 posted on 03/25/2013 12:56:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Thanks for the link!


119 posted on 03/25/2013 12:58:05 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
Thanks for the link!

You bet.

120 posted on 03/25/2013 1:03:08 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Doogle

Was that the one at Allaire Airport in Wall Township? That was the one I saw. Tight isn’t the word. My God how those guys managed to get into those planes wearing those bulky flight suits and a parachute!


121 posted on 03/26/2013 2:30:45 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: 45semi

Hubba Hubba! My favorite ‘’nose gal’’ on a B-17 was a scantily clad cutie named ‘’Miss Bea Haven.’’


122 posted on 03/26/2013 2:33:16 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

...same group the week before, up in Morristown, *smiles*
I thought I became part of the group when I got wedged between the two uprights in the bomb bay.


123 posted on 03/26/2013 6:05:27 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ken5050

My Father in Law passed away yesterday. He was a WWII radio man and gunner on B17 - crew called it “Pride of the Yankees”... shot down over Switzerland and interned. He and buddies escaped across the Alps and ended up with the French underground. He was a true hero... he saved a fellow crew members life who had been severely injured by flak. An amazing man. He gave us a recording of an interview that the daughter of the Pilot of his plane made with him in May of 2001... four tapes. My husband and I listened to this today and it brought back the enormity of what this man who was just barely in his twenties did to protect this country. He was shot down April 13, 1944 and he passed away on April 13, 2013. I guess this was one battle he couldn’t best.


124 posted on 04/13/2013 11:12:02 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: jmacusa

My Father in Law’s Pilot was 22. You are right about the youth involved here....and they embraced the mission and sought to win.


125 posted on 04/13/2013 11:16:29 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee
My condolences for your fathers passing. I thank him for my freedom. Sadly but as it is all in Gods grand design day by day, we're losing the hero's, the men and women who fought and struggled , bled and died that we today can enjoy the freedoms that they, the “Greatest Generation’’ defended and secured for all of us. They were young once and had the war not happened their lives would have gone on to the normal, even mundane of going to college or getting a job, getting married and raising children. Instead they were called on as no generation had ever been, before or since, to defeat pure evil and imperialist aggression such as the world had never seen in the single most cataclysmic, brutal and life-altering event in mans existence to date.And as a repudiation of the evil and the horror and death that is war the young men, like your late father, and the young women came home and were responsible for the single greatest population boom in the history of the world. War may destroy but it's love that conquers.
126 posted on 04/14/2013 12:15:59 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: antceecee
Your FIL had a full, rich life..he was about 90 when he passed, and was married, had kids, and got to see grand children and maybe great kids. Celebrate, rejoice in his life.

What is just staggering, and awe-inspiring to me is that when we consider that the casualty rate for 8th AF and RAF Bomber command was 65%, and the KIA was above 25%, a 25 mission tour was a near-suicide assignment, yet they went up, and back up day after day.

127 posted on 04/14/2013 4:04:37 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline has mysteriously vanished...)
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To: Doogle

For the Colonel...and Mr.Bob Reid....Two b-17 pilots we lost this year from Legion post 216...Austell, Ga.


128 posted on 04/14/2013 4:11:26 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: Windflier
When it comes to admiring these legendary war birds, it's hard for me to do more than choose a top ten in no particular order. Like a doting mother, I can't seem to choose one over another :-)

Agreed. Anytime there's an airshow and there's a F4U, or Mustang, or (rare) Lightning, or B-17 or B-29 at the show, I am well pleased. I have not seen a Spitfire live and up close, alas, and it is in my top 5 of most beautiful aircraft ever made, alongside the big Connie (if we include aircraft from all eras).

But back to WWII...I know she's the ugly, redheaded stepchild of fighters, but to me she's pretty to me - not hollywood beautiful, but like the cute girl you see in church one day with the great personality that you end up marrying. I speak of course about the Hurricane. They shot down 3 Germans for every 2 that Spits shot down.


129 posted on 04/14/2013 4:28:17 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee
And speaking of plain Jane Hurricane, the U.S. started the war with it's own undersung hero - the P-40

And here's a color photo allegedly from China from the war of a P-40 shooting down a zero.


130 posted on 04/14/2013 4:44:57 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee
...the big Connie

Here's one in military camo:


A U.S. Air Force Lockheed EC-121R Constellation of the 553rd Reconnaissance Wing over Southeast-Asia on 15 January 1969.

131 posted on 04/14/2013 10:23:55 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sirius Lee
I have not seen a Spitfire live and up close, alas, and it is in my top 5 of most beautiful aircraft ever made...

I consider myself lucky to have seen a Spitfire live and up close once in this life. I was working in southern England in the late eighties, and was invited to an air show during a short break.

Of all the enjoyments I experienced that day, only one remains fresh in my memory, and that's when a Spitfire came roaring over the grandstands at low altitude. I can't even begin to describe the awesome effect of pure power that thing put out. It was magical.

132 posted on 04/14/2013 10:32:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sirius Lee

To me the B-17 was the coolest, most beautiful looking airplane ever built, beautiful and deadly. A more potent symbol of righteous American might and the technology and craftmenship America could produce. It’s been my honor to have known three men who flew aboard B-17s and to a man they all told me that they’re today “By the Grace of God and that plane’’. It could take tremendous punishment and still keep flying. I’m just in awe of it. This nation owes a great debt to these men and to the Boeing family.


133 posted on 04/14/2013 12:25:19 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: ken5050

He spoke about the casualties on his interview tapes... he kept repeating it to the interviewer... the death count when a squadron was taken out. He spoke about the crewman who had his leg and hip muscle splayed by flak and how he tried to give him first aid and then morphine. They parachuted the guy into Switzerland and he lived through it (they did something so his chute would open, I couldn’t understand it on the tape). May not have if our Pop had not have done what he could. Amazing that he could think while taking flak and the plane going down. I looked at the age Pop was at the time... He was born in June of 1925 and this happened in April 1944... He was just shy of turning 20.


134 posted on 04/16/2013 12:18:20 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: jmacusa

I think they were the “greatest generation” precisely because they embraced their duty to defend our freedom and fight evil ...and they were so very young when they embraced this mission. Not like today when we call 19 year olds ‘children’ and they need to be on Mommy and Daddy’s health care plan... because they are too ‘young’ to provide for themselves. What a long way we have fallen.


135 posted on 04/16/2013 12:22:28 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

Amazing...what a hero he was! We are in a business where we “find” written journals and things of that nature.

Many times, we have found flight diaries from the guys on the planes...detailing which planes went down during a certain mission (and which of their friends were on board). Usually says something like “Red’s plane hit over XXX, went down..we counted two or three chutes.”

One in particular really hit home to me. This airman was a turret gunner and he watched as his good friend’s plane went down. He wrote a screed about it at the end of the day in his diary. I was so upset reading it that I nearly cried. HOWEVER, later we discovered a letter from the “lost” friend dated just after the War. Turns out he did survive, had been in a Prison Camp, and was writing from a Hospital on the West Coast to let his buddy know he was OK.
I was “dancing” around when I found this letter...telling my husband “Look! He Made It!”

Just think of what those very young people did! Your FIL saved guys who went on to have kids, grandkids, great grandkids and who probably contributed greatly to society. My Great Aunt was a WAC nurse overseas...I’m sure she did her share too. Sadly, she died of cancer before I was old enough to ask her.

My sympathies for your loss; and my thanks for sharing a little of him with us.


136 posted on 04/16/2013 12:52:24 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: garandgal

His papers have his flight diary and he lamented not being able to locate his journal that he kept from the day he entered the service. I hope my husband will be able to locate it. He did write several essays about what he went through right after his return to US in late 1944. I wish I could share his story. I am going to seek out a way to do that.


137 posted on 04/16/2013 1:04:55 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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